Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

gameswithaspoon

Rickter wrote: »

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Stop blaming a guild that isnt here anymore. Change starts with you, right now. DC has a new face. Its the Vanguard of Justice also known as REQUIEM. There is a DC with fighting spirit, who will not bargain with the enemy, who will not shy away from a fight, who cares about campaign integrity.

Fun fighting you tonight. Can you believe that scroll set back to Warden. Hilarious.

Sadly, you aren't the new (same old) face of D.C. who has been logging on to do the same old thing so far this campaign.

Drakkdjinn

Taysa wrote: »

I fail to see how Sotha is "recovering" when an AD guild beat the dead horse so bad that several guilds left for Vivec.

The larger guilds left long before the current AD zerg showed up, to be more specific, that dead horse is actually a leftover pile of DC nightcapper corpses who ragequit/ran to vivec out of shame/uninstalled without bothering to release first.

Taylor_MB

esotoon wrote: »

There was no "PVPDoor" going on that needed anyone coming to the servers rescue.

So you went and took Fare and BB because there was PvP down there? You knew we were taking your ring keeps but you (DC, maybe not you specifically) took your zerg down to PvDoor 2 keeps you knew we wouldn't be at?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective it looks like you tried to PvDoor Emp, when you met resistance and failed you (DC in general) went way south to take keeps no one had any reason to be at.

*shrugs*

esotoon

Miss_Tiffany wrote: »

I thought the intervention was for everyone to vacate Sotha and leave the twatwaffles behind, to show them that they are ultimately nothing without everyone they've been smack talking about there to help them, and to show that we disprove of their 'campaign swapping/dolly coddling/I'm better than everyone but really I want everyone's approval' behaviour. At least that's what I've gathered.

Whilst I can fully understand the reason yours and other guilds left, unfortunately I don't think it will achieve the goals you were hoping for in terms of the server (I'm glad on a personal/guild level you have found somewhere more enjoyable though ).

Far from teaching them that they are nothing without you, without you they now have almost full control of the campaign and what happens on it. (As I understand it, their plan was to also have a third person be in charge of DC, but because a DC guild wouldn't play ball, that person had to take their players back to EP.)

That DC guild has been running pretty much 24/7 this campaign so far, but because they are a mixed ability guild, and because DC has far fewer players in general than AD and EP, especially during the daytime/prime time, Team Pumpkin is still able to control the campaign with just the two factions. By running 24/7 however, that guild has been able to make gains, especially during the times Team Pumpkin can't log on to coordinate things. They even got Emp. But it's still not enough to stop that team achieving many of their goals. And as you can see above, because of running 24/7, DC is still facing claims of "same old DC tactics" (ignoring the fact that this guild is running constantly throughout the day not just logging on at quiet times, is often made up of PUGs rather than all being a tight group of highly skilled players, and is often up against a group with both AD and EP at their command).

So unfortunately, you guys leaving won't stop this group from getting exactly what they want. Full control of the map, full control of who gets Emp, the ability to gain and swap AP as and when they please, along with eventually the small scale PVP they are after. Everyone else either has to /kowtow to their leadership and play by their rules and their preferred style of PVP, or face the consequences.

If Guilds from all factions came back to Sotha, it still wouldn't stop them from controlling Emp, as we saw last campaign, but at least that would be the only thing they could accomplish. If AD guilds actively fought EP guilds (as well as DC), and EP guilds start attacking AD (as well as DC), and DC had more numbers to attack both fronts, at least for a large part of the day there is large scale AvAvA going on. Sure that handful of people may still have enough influence to control who gets Emp, but they won't have the power to hand out Emp to whoever they want to, and they won't be able to swap the resources like they have been, and they certainly won't be able to turn Sotha into their very own small scale PVP tournament where only the elite are allowed to play.

esotoon

If I'm mistaken in my post above about the motives behind what's happening (and I fully admit I could well be), and it is truly ONLY small scale PVP that they are after, then there are other ways to go about getting it. For a start petition ZOS and show there is a need for it. Heck, this could easily be demonstrated by running it alongside the large scale PVP campaign. Sotha players could collectively designate an out of the way section of the map for them to fight in, in the same ways some enjoy fighting only at Alessia Bridge. Or if they need to involve a Keep, why not have a gentleman's agreement between all guilds that every night one of the outer keeps (rotating between DC, Bleaks, or Drake) is designated their play ground. Where they can 8v8v8, 6v6v6 or whatever they want, to their hearts content with players of an equally high skill level. And those who prefer large scale can get on with it. Or come up with some other solution. Both sides get what they want, ZOS gets to see there is a need for that sort of PVP and the only Non-CP server isn't taken over and controlled by a handful of players, just so they get to play their own personal preferred method of playing a game at the expense of everyone else.

Rickter

odd111out wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

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Stop blaming a guild that isnt here anymore. Change starts with you, right now. DC has a new face. Its the Vanguard of Justice also known as REQUIEM. There is a DC with fighting spirit, who will not bargain with the enemy, who will not shy away from a fight, who cares about campaign integrity.

Fun fighting you tonight. Can you believe that scroll set back to Warden. Hilarious.

Sadly, you aren't the new (same old) face of D.C. who has been logging on to do the same old thing so far this campaign.

I am only aware of two other DC guilds on Sotha Sil right now and they are <POWER RANGERZZ> and <Bashu's Rough Riders> - I dont know much if anything about these two guilds. I remember Bashu from the Azura Star days but he was GM of a guild called <Legions of Daggerfall> so idk what happened there.

TL;DR: I'm not going to understand any inside jokes or internal references to the past campaign cycle.

With that being said, yes, it was a good fight to defend our scroll. We knew it would reset at Warden, and we were about to make our way over there to defend the keep, but the AD group (im assuming was yours) that we wiped initially, then wiped again when they respawned at their camp just outside the gate, pushed into us a 3rd time and we could not make it to Warden as there appeared to be a second if not third AD group assaulting DC.

Which is odd to me. EP had 3 inner ring keeps and all their home keeps but 20+ AD were hell-bent on DC scrolls. What's even more disturbing is the 3 man EP picking off DC in the back while we were fighting AD. And what's even more peculiar is the knee jerk, instinctual reaction of AD players to drop siege as soon as they see enemies.

Now listen: I dont have anything particularly against setting up siege against an opposing force, it's really effective in Sotha Siege- i mean, Sotha Sil - BUT its never been a tactic I strongly advocated or even really think about in my typical pvp sessions. It's a bit foreign to see enemies engage but a back line of siege is immediately set down.

Nevermind that Kill Enemy Nightblades = Kill Enemy Players on Sotha Sil so I'm loving the historical recreation of English Longbowman tactics of archers lined up at max range applying poisonous injections like Rockefeller tossed coins in the streets of New York.

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Very different from what I am used to. Generally, frustration comes first, adjustments come second. So we'll see how things go after the adjustments

esotoon

Taylor_MB wrote: »

So you went and took Fare and BB because there was PvP down there? You knew we were taking your ring keeps but you (DC, maybe not you specifically) took your zerg down to PvDoor 2 keeps you knew we wouldn't be at?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective it looks like you tried to PvDoor Emp, when you met resistance and failed you (DC in general) went way south to take keeps no one had any reason to be at.

*shrugs*

Not sure if this is the same night you are talking about, but the night of the photos in my post, having been pushing the Emp keeps for many hours (through the holy 'Prime Time' hours) and finding ourselves at 1am PST suddenly faced not against the usual AD and EP factions, but against a fresh group of players from the same guilds that had control of both EP *and* AD players, and with no other DC groups on for support, there was no point us even trying any longer. At that point most the group that had already been playing for hours, left for bed and the group left was made up of a small group from one guild and several pugs. So we took a break and switched to just getting some AP.

It's interesting to note though that for all this talk of gaining keeps out of Prime Time and trying to PVPDoor Emp, that team Pumpkin went on from 1am until 4am PST (7am EST) reclaiming all the keeps and resources that DC had won during 'Prime Time'.

And that's the problem with all this moral grandstanding.

When I joined a couple months ago, I was told about all the horrible things that DC had done in the past. Yet ever since I've seen players from AD, EP and DC all do those same things.

The players on DC say they are justified in doing it because "The other factions did it to us".
The players on AD say they are justified in doing it because "The other factions did it to us".
The players on EP say they are justified in doing it because "The other factions did it to us".

These justifications are meaningless other than to excuse people of their own actions.

Until ZOS steps in and changes PVP mechanics, Sotha players need to either come together and set up the equivalent of a "Geneva Convention" where certain tactics are outlawed across the board, or accept that you can't control everyone, and not everyone plays the game the same way or at the same time as you do, so these things will inevitably happen. We need to stop using them to justify our own 'retaliations' and equally 'unfair' actions.

"An eye for and eye leaves the whole server an angry cesspit of annoyed players." ~ xNB-Ghandix

"Two wrongs don't make a right" ~ Everyone's Mother

Humphie

Rickter wrote: »

odd111out wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

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Stop blaming a guild that isnt here anymore. Change starts with you, right now. DC has a new face. Its the Vanguard of Justice also known as REQUIEM. There is a DC with fighting spirit, who will not bargain with the enemy, who will not shy away from a fight, who cares about campaign integrity.

Fun fighting you tonight. Can you believe that scroll set back to Warden. Hilarious.

Sadly, you aren't the new (same old) face of D.C. who has been logging on to do the same old thing so far this campaign.

I am only aware of two other DC guilds on Sotha Sil right now and they are <POWER RANGERZZ> and <Bashu's Rough Riders> - I dont know much if anything about these two guilds. I remember Bashu from the Azura Star days but he was GM of a guild called <Legions of Daggerfall> so idk what happened there.

TL;DR: I'm not going to understand any inside jokes or internal references to the past campaign cycle.

With that being said, yes, it was a good fight to defend our scroll. We knew it would reset at Warden, and we were about to make our way over there to defend the keep, but the AD group (im assuming was yours) that we wiped initially, then wiped again when they respawned at their camp just outside the gate, pushed into us a 3rd time and we could not make it to Warden as there appeared to be a second if not third AD group assaulting DC.

Which is odd to me. EP had 3 inner ring keeps and all their home keeps but 20+ AD were hell-bent on DC scrolls. What's even more disturbing is the 3 man EP picking off DC in the back while we were fighting AD. And what's even more peculiar is the knee jerk, instinctual reaction of AD players to drop siege as soon as they see enemies.

Now listen: I dont have anything particularly against setting up siege against an opposing force, it's really effective in Sotha Siege- i mean, Sotha Sil - BUT its never been a tactic I strongly advocated or even really think about in my typical pvp sessions. It's a bit foreign to see enemies engage but a back line of siege is immediately set down.

Nevermind that Kill Enemy Nightblades = Kill Enemy Players on Sotha Sil so I'm loving the historical recreation of English Longbowman tactics of archers lined up at max range applying poisonous injections like Rockefeller tossed coins in the streets of New York.

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Very different from what I am used to. Generally, frustration comes first, adjustments come second. So we'll see how things go after the adjustments

Get your facts straight.

Those 3 EP chased your scroll all the way down to almost Nikel, got the AD down and then waited for DC to show up AND then helped them run it back and defend it against the yellow masses until we all wiped. There was no DC to be attacked but you came right at us dropping all kinds of ultis on 3 people that were only there to pick off all the AD that respawned at an endless drop of camps to keep them off your gate.

Rickter

Humphie wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

odd111out wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

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Stop blaming a guild that isnt here anymore. Change starts with you, right now. DC has a new face. Its the Vanguard of Justice also known as REQUIEM. There is a DC with fighting spirit, who will not bargain with the enemy, who will not shy away from a fight, who cares about campaign integrity.

Fun fighting you tonight. Can you believe that scroll set back to Warden. Hilarious.

Sadly, you aren't the new (same old) face of D.C. who has been logging on to do the same old thing so far this campaign.

I am only aware of two other DC guilds on Sotha Sil right now and they are <POWER RANGERZZ> and <Bashu's Rough Riders> - I dont know much if anything about these two guilds. I remember Bashu from the Azura Star days but he was GM of a guild called <Legions of Daggerfall> so idk what happened there.

TL;DR: I'm not going to understand any inside jokes or internal references to the past campaign cycle.

With that being said, yes, it was a good fight to defend our scroll. We knew it would reset at Warden, and we were about to make our way over there to defend the keep, but the AD group (im assuming was yours) that we wiped initially, then wiped again when they respawned at their camp just outside the gate, pushed into us a 3rd time and we could not make it to Warden as there appeared to be a second if not third AD group assaulting DC.

Which is odd to me. EP had 3 inner ring keeps and all their home keeps but 20+ AD were hell-bent on DC scrolls. What's even more disturbing is the 3 man EP picking off DC in the back while we were fighting AD. And what's even more peculiar is the knee jerk, instinctual reaction of AD players to drop siege as soon as they see enemies.

Now listen: I dont have anything particularly against setting up siege against an opposing force, it's really effective in Sotha Siege- i mean, Sotha Sil - BUT its never been a tactic I strongly advocated or even really think about in my typical pvp sessions. It's a bit foreign to see enemies engage but a back line of siege is immediately set down.

Nevermind that Kill Enemy Nightblades = Kill Enemy Players on Sotha Sil so I'm loving the historical recreation of English Longbowman tactics of archers lined up at max range applying poisonous injections like Rockefeller tossed coins in the streets of New York.

_________________________________________


Very different from what I am used to. Generally, frustration comes first, adjustments come second. So we'll see how things go after the adjustments

Get your facts straight.

Those 3 EP chased your scroll all the way down to almost Nikel, got the AD down and then waited for DC to show up AND then helped them run it back and defend it against the yellow masses until we all wiped. There was no DC to be attacked but you came right at us dropping all kinds of ultis on 3 people that were only there to pick off all the AD that respawned at an endless drop of camps to keep them off your gate.

alright, alright calm down, you have to understand, from our perspective, we were taking arrow fire from all angles and when we turn around and see 3 EP, well, you know what it looks like.

And i was more referring to Ales where when we turned around, our camp was on fire and the 3 EP were around behind us.

And yes we came at you dropping a dawnbreaker, 2 dragon leaps and a nova (because we dont have negate or destros in my groups) because we were trying to get rid of you quickly. Thats a valid tactic. To your amazing credit, it didnt work and we felt sandwiched. 20+ AD against my 11 +3 random pugs didnt make things less frantic/stressful/hectic either.

so please relax, im not the bad guy here. Just relaying my observations from my perspective. I think you are well aware of the AD EP collusion on Sotha and Im not sure who is friend or foe yet.

Humphie

Rickter wrote: »

Humphie wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

odd111out wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

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Stop blaming a guild that isnt here anymore. Change starts with you, right now. DC has a new face. Its the Vanguard of Justice also known as REQUIEM. There is a DC with fighting spirit, who will not bargain with the enemy, who will not shy away from a fight, who cares about campaign integrity.

Fun fighting you tonight. Can you believe that scroll set back to Warden. Hilarious.

Sadly, you aren't the new (same old) face of D.C. who has been logging on to do the same old thing so far this campaign.

I am only aware of two other DC guilds on Sotha Sil right now and they are <POWER RANGERZZ> and <Bashu's Rough Riders> - I dont know much if anything about these two guilds. I remember Bashu from the Azura Star days but he was GM of a guild called <Legions of Daggerfall> so idk what happened there.

TL;DR: I'm not going to understand any inside jokes or internal references to the past campaign cycle.

With that being said, yes, it was a good fight to defend our scroll. We knew it would reset at Warden, and we were about to make our way over there to defend the keep, but the AD group (im assuming was yours) that we wiped initially, then wiped again when they respawned at their camp just outside the gate, pushed into us a 3rd time and we could not make it to Warden as there appeared to be a second if not third AD group assaulting DC.

Which is odd to me. EP had 3 inner ring keeps and all their home keeps but 20+ AD were hell-bent on DC scrolls. What's even more disturbing is the 3 man EP picking off DC in the back while we were fighting AD. And what's even more peculiar is the knee jerk, instinctual reaction of AD players to drop siege as soon as they see enemies.

Now listen: I dont have anything particularly against setting up siege against an opposing force, it's really effective in Sotha Siege- i mean, Sotha Sil - BUT its never been a tactic I strongly advocated or even really think about in my typical pvp sessions. It's a bit foreign to see enemies engage but a back line of siege is immediately set down.

Nevermind that Kill Enemy Nightblades = Kill Enemy Players on Sotha Sil so I'm loving the historical recreation of English Longbowman tactics of archers lined up at max range applying poisonous injections like Rockefeller tossed coins in the streets of New York.

_________________________________________


Very different from what I am used to. Generally, frustration comes first, adjustments come second. So we'll see how things go after the adjustments

Get your facts straight.

Those 3 EP chased your scroll all the way down to almost Nikel, got the AD down and then waited for DC to show up AND then helped them run it back and defend it against the yellow masses until we all wiped. There was no DC to be attacked but you came right at us dropping all kinds of ultis on 3 people that were only there to pick off all the AD that respawned at an endless drop of camps to keep them off your gate.

alright, alright calm down, you have to understand, from our perspective, we were taking arrow fire from all angles and when we turn around and see 3 EP, well, you know what it looks like.

And i was more referring to Ales where when we turned around, our camp was on fire and the 3 EP were around behind us.

And yes we came at you dropping a dawnbreaker, 2 dragon leaps and a nova (because we dont have negate or destros in my groups) because we were trying to get rid of you quickly. Thats a valid tactic. To your amazing credit, it didnt work and we felt sandwiched. 20+ AD against my 11 +3 random pugs didnt make things less frantic/stressful/hectic either.

so please relax, im not the bad guy here. Just relaying my observations from my perspective. I think you are well aware of the AD EP collusion on Sotha and Im not sure who is friend or foe yet.

I am well aware of that. I didn't mean to get into your face, just setting the fact straight, since I was one of those 3 EPs.
None of us held interest in crowning EP or AD so we took the chance to keep at least a few AD busy and helping out DC a bit. And since Jabs and me tried to dethrone DC for hours until finally some more people showed up to at least take back a highly defended Arrius we just wanted to have some fun fights away from keeps. Not sure why AD is still at 2 bars when so many AD guilds left though...

RIP Sotha atm

pzschrek

Rickter wrote: »

Now listen: I dont have anything particularly against setting up siege against an opposing force, it's really effective in Sotha Siege- i mean, Sotha Sil - BUT its never been a tactic I strongly advocated or even really think about in my typical pvp sessions. It's a bit foreign to see enemies engage but a back line of siege is immediately set down.

This may be a no-CP thing more than a faction thing. I learned to do organized play on EP in old Azura's and have mostly played there and in Sotha, and I feel like one of the first things I was taught to do was always have as many fire siege down as you can run. "It hits like an ult." As a former artilleryman this has always been near and dear to my heart anyway.

Playing Vivec more lately it's been the opposite shock in that organized groups mostly use siege as can-openers, not as a primary weapon in the arsenal in every battle that stays stationary enough to let you put one down.

Joshlenoir

@Rickter @Miss_Tiffany
It's beyond me why People like to take the moral high ground and call certain players "toxic" when they're guilty of the exact same thing.
Also Tiffany, sotha does just fine without large scale groups painting the map one color. If people leave the campaign because me and kita are #1 on the factions that we're on, that's funny, but that's fine. The reason sotha sil is dying isn't only because of one faction painting the map one color, or my Guild, but it's because of the combat changes made to this game since morrowind that has made intelligent small group play and 1vXing which requires the most skill, so much harder. People have been losing options of how they want to play this game because resources, and resource return has been getting nerfed for the last three patches. CP is fast paced, CP gives you more damage, recovery, reductions, and gives more build diversity.
Also, in vivec zerg guilds don't have the luxury of only winning by numbers most of the time or night capping because vivec is almost always populated, so it's much more balanced than sotha sil where you're usually at the mercy of people who can only play with superior numbers.
Three patches ago CP was way over the top to the point where many fights went on forever because nobody would run out of resources. At that point NonCP was a saving grace because it was literally the most balanced and you could still have the resources you want without CP to have fun fast paced PvP.
Now all PvP is, is getting good SOME good fights then getting zerged down extremely hard by 20+ and running out of resources in 0 seconds because newer/weaker players simply can't adapt to all the changes made by ZoS so they choose to / are forced to ball up
Lastly, if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen. PvP will always be competitive and for those that "trash talk", all you simply have to do to shut them up, is prove them wrong.

Adenoma

@Joshlenoir , you're fun to play with (and I'd still play with you) but objectively you're a pretty toxic player.

Joshlenoir

Adenoma wrote: »

@Joshlenoir , you're fun to play with (and I'd still play with you) but objectively you're a reasonably toxic player.

Of course, I never said I'm never toxic. I said most people who use that term themselves are almost always guilty of the same thing in one way or another when it comes to competitive PvP. Especially when it comes to insulting someones real life which I personally find very toxic (others don't seem to share the same sentiment).
My main argument is the nature of calling someone toxic can be subjective and very contextual. There are things I find funny and amusing that others find "toxic" or unacceptable and vice versa.

Rickter

Joshlenoir wrote: »

@Rickter
It's beyond me why People like to take the moral high ground and call certain players "toxic" when they're guilty of the exact same thing.

I assure you, I have never done "the exact same thing". and honestly, I never called you toxic. . . in fact im new to this recent circle jerk and still trying to paint a picture of the measure of other's character. All i said was that the discord Jaysin started was cringe worthy, circle jerky, immature, and not my thing. Which is a truth. But, you know, sure, whatever you have to tell yourself.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

If people leave the campaign because me and kita are #1

It's "me and kita" now, huh? Pretty much all i had to see. As a fellow GM, I have to give you the road. I say, good day to you, sir.

Joshlenoir

Rickter wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

@Rickter
It's beyond me why People like to take the moral high ground and call certain players "toxic" when they're guilty of the exact same thing.

I assure you, I have never done "the exact same thing". and honestly, I never called you toxic. . . in fact im new to this recent circle jerk and still trying to paint a picture of the measure of other's character. All i said was that the discord Jaysin started was cringe worthy, circle jerky, immature, and not my thing. Which is a truth. But, you know, sure, whatever you have to tell yourself.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

If people leave the campaign because me and kita are #1

It's "me and kita" now, huh? Pretty much all i had to see. As a fellow GM, I have to give you the road. I say, good day to you, sir.

"Cringe worthy"
"circle jerky"
"immature"
It's not truth, but you're free to go and stay as you like. the whole point of that discord is to have a better connection with people of sothasil since this forum is sometimes hard to reach (Seeing as there are a thousand of these now). Also gives guilds an easier way to recruit people / talk to other guilds about the map.

Lastly, I said "me and kita" because we're both #1 on our respective factions, because we've both gotten hate from itand have been told people are leaving sothasil / not playing for this cycle on those factions because of that. Not trying to toot my own horn. I haven't been #1 on a faction for over a year but thats not saying much seeing as nobody even plays on EP anymore / doesn't make that much AP. Either way, emperorship has lost all it's meaning anyways and is an empty achievement.

When I said "guilty of the exact same thing"
I meant guilty of being negative, saying mean or negative things, etc. That fall into the realm of toxicity. That was mainly aimed at Tiffany anyways.

esotoon

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Now all PvP is, is getting good SOME good fights then getting zerged down extremely hard by 20+ and running out of resources in 0 seconds because newer/weaker players simply can't adapt to all the changes made by ZoS so they choose to / are forced to ball up

If what you are interested in is small, highly skilled 1vX, or XvXvX small man group fighting, why does the leader board, or who is taking Keeps, or how they are taking them, even matter to you?

Everyone knows that getting Emp isn't solely based on the PVP skill of the player involved (and to be clear, that's not to say there aren't highly skilled players such as yourself who have gotten Emp). So if what you are after is a 'good fight' and the large scale campaign isn't giving that you due to the game mechanics, why even involve yourself in it?

It's clear ZOS aren't giving you what you want at the moment. Battlegrounds wasn't the small scale PVP haven people were hoping for. So why not do your own thing. Take a look at my post #276 for a couple suggestions.

Here's another. Most serious PVP players interested in small scale high level PVP will own IC. Why not use your guild (or form another if needs be) fill it with like minded players with toons from all factions and go down there and set up your own competitions. You effectively have a pre-build battlegrounds, with fast access for all factions. Have one district for 6v6v6, another for 4v4v4, another for 1vX. Or whatever you want to do. Make up your own competitions. i.e. Start with 1v1, then after 1 min make it 1v2, then after a minute 1v3 etc. and see who can last the longest. You will have full control of the battle and the match making. You can even start your own leaderboard should seeing who is best is important to you. Heck, if people started using IC again, you will get ZOS' full attention and perhaps they will finally give you something more suited to what you are after!

Or come up with alternative ideas?

That way the small scale people won't butt heads with the large scale players, or with the inexperienced players, and vice versa. Because until the day when every fight in Cyrodiil starts with both (or all three) sides involved, sitting down, comparing experience levels, comparing armor stats, comparing skills, and agreeing to the terms of battle before the fight even begins to make sure everyone is happy, it is *never* going to produce fair competitive fights that suit everyone. Whether that's a large group of unskilled players zerging a group of two or three highly skilled players; a small team of experienced players happily farming at a resource no matter the level or experience level of the players that come there are; a group of 15 taking a Keep from 3 defenders outside Prime Time, or an highly skilled Emperor happily killing solo players who haven't even played PVP before. *ALL* of it is unequal.

gameswithaspoon

Rickter wrote: »

...Which is odd to me. EP had 3 inner ring keeps and all their home keeps but 20+ AD were hell-bent on DC scrolls. ...

...Now listen: I dont have anything particularly against setting up siege against an opposing force, it's really effective in Sotha Siege- i mean, Sotha Sil - BUT its never been a tactic I strongly advocated or even really think about in my typical pvp sessions. It's a bit foreign to see enemies engage but a back line of siege is immediately set down.

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Very different from what I am used to. Generally, frustration comes first, adjustments come second. So we'll see how things go after the adjustments

It was just scroll night, that's all. If you'd had more of the map we'd have thrown them all in the lava.

Siege is largely a response to the existence of Wardens. After Wardens, there's been more siege on all sides.

Scarlett_Princess

I can't be bothered doing all the quotes. So I'll just say in response to several of the above comments. Sotha was already being controlled by a few people/guilds. Leaving wasn't an attempt to stop this, it was to allow them to continue doing it, but on their own. No one wants to play on a map that has a predetermined outcome. That's the EASY way to play. And despite the fact the game allows people to do it, it's still cheating in my books.

People can drag up the issue that 'personally attacking' people is toxic. But at the end of the day, only a REALLY good roleplayer has the ability to fake being toxic in game, whilst being a decent human being out of the game. For the majority, if you're a [snip] person in game, you're a [snip] person in real life. I am not backing down on calling a select few [snip] people in real life. You've proven via your actions toward others in game, on the forums, and on the Sotha discord, just what kind of people you really are. I most certainly am also toxic, but it's only been aimed at the two who are equally as toxic to me. And everyone knows that. It's called standing up for yourself, your friends, and your guild. Something not many people like to do in a video game because it's just not worth the effort.

There are a few players on Sotha attempting to keep Sotha great (not that it's been great for a VERY long time), and I admire your tenacity. But you're still just all map flipping on a roster/rotation. Great job the maps all blue, great job the maps all yellow. Lets all go to Vivec when we're bored. Just PLAY on Vivec permanently where the map is never predetermined, there are always fights, and the map can't be completely taken in less time than it takes to say 'circle-jerk much'? Stop complaining about the lag and low CP you might have. Everyone else has the same lag, and there are plenty of other players who have low CP. If you always play in large groups, your low CP is irrelevant anyway.

Oh oh and for those who think they're going to turn Sotha into a small-scale PvP campaign? Every time I hear of an event being organised, I'll bring a massive potato zerg group and prevent it from happening. If you want small scale coordinated PvP, do battlegrounds, or ask ZoS for 10-man rated battlegrounds like WoW, or go play WoW, so we don't have to put up with your [snip] attitudes anymore. Cyrodiil will always be a place where people can play as they like, and no amount of [snip] talking others is going to stop them from playing how they like.

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Joshlenoir

Miss_Tiffany wrote: »

Cyrodiil will always be a place where people can play as they like, and no amount of s**t talking others is going to stop them from playing how they like.

Miss_Tiffany wrote: »

I not only left the discord, but I've decided to follow the lead of other AD guilds and players, and have pulled my guild out of Sotha for as long as the toxic people remain there.

Umm...

Zander98

EdmundTowers

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

@Rickter
It's beyond me why People like to take the moral high ground and call certain players "toxic" when they're guilty of the exact same thing.

I assure you, I have never done "the exact same thing". and honestly, I never called you toxic. . . in fact im new to this recent circle jerk and still trying to paint a picture of the measure of other's character. All i said was that the discord Jaysin started was cringe worthy, circle jerky, immature, and not my thing. Which is a truth. But, you know, sure, whatever you have to tell yourself.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

If people leave the campaign because me and kita are #1

It's "me and kita" now, huh? Pretty much all i had to see. As a fellow GM, I have to give you the road. I say, good day to you, sir.

"Cringe worthy"
"circle jerky"
"immature"
It's not truth, but you're free to go and stay as you like. the whole point of that discord is to have a better connection with people of sothasil since this forum is sometimes hard to reach (Seeing as there are a thousand of these now). Also gives guilds an easier way to recruit people / talk to other guilds about the map.

Who are you trolling Josh? That discord is nothing but trash talk.

Rickter

Miss_Tiffany wrote: »

For the majority, if you're a [snip] person in game, you're a [snip] person in real life.... so we don't have to put up with your [snip] attitudes anymore. Cyrodiil will always be a place where people can play as they like, and no amount of [snip] talking others is going to stop them from playing how they like

Would you say this was known [snip]?

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Who are you trolling Josh? That discord is nothing but trash talk.

Im pretty sure he truly believes that greasy PR blurb he spewed out. but in any case, Amen.

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Adenoma

Sotha is too salty for my weak heart. Someone get some diuretics and make it pee this all away.

Scarlett_Princess

Rickter wrote: »

Would you say this was known [snip]?

I see what you did there Very punny.

In all seriousness though, it's only a select few. Some of the guys in both KS and SM are pretty chatty with me and they seem to be going through their own internal conflict. All this Sotha salt and player/guild issues will resolve itself in time. Things fall apart for even the [snip] of players.

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gabriebe

Leçon de bienséance:

It should be 'Kita and I', not 'me and Kita'.

Joshlenoir

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

@Rickter
It's beyond me why People like to take the moral high ground and call certain players "toxic" when they're guilty of the exact same thing.

I assure you, I have never done "the exact same thing". and honestly, I never called you toxic. . . in fact im new to this recent circle jerk and still trying to paint a picture of the measure of other's character. All i said was that the discord Jaysin started was cringe worthy, circle jerky, immature, and not my thing. Which is a truth. But, you know, sure, whatever you have to tell yourself.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

If people leave the campaign because me and kita are #1

It's "me and kita" now, huh? Pretty much all i had to see. As a fellow GM, I have to give you the road. I say, good day to you, sir.

"Cringe worthy"
"circle jerky"
"immature"
It's not truth, but you're free to go and stay as you like. the whole point of that discord is to have a better connection with people of sothasil since this forum is sometimes hard to reach (Seeing as there are a thousand of these now). Also gives guilds an easier way to recruit people / talk to other guilds about the map.

Who are you trolling Josh? That discord is nothing but trash talk.

There is literally a channel for trash talk, and other channels for other things. But don't take that up with me, I'm not the mod. If you don't like what I say, a block button exists.

@Miss_Tiffany I didn't know we were going through our own internal conflict..
I think we're doing pretty well seeing as people from virtually every Guild in sotha have either asked to join us, or have asked asked for tips to improve in their gameplay from builds to mechanics that they don't seem to be receiving in their own guilds.

@Rickter I'm not spewing some "PR" blurb, but whatever floats your boat sir.

It's interesting because the only comments here being filtered and edited for toxicity are from you and miss Tiffany. Maybe you should practice what you preach

Sylphie

inb4 Sotha Sil NAPC Part VIII.

Scarlett_Princess

Joshlenoir wrote: »

It's interesting because the only comments here being filtered and edited for toxicity are from you and miss Tiffany. Maybe you should practice what you preach

If the word [snip] is getting filtered here, even with stars or missing letters, maybe the guild name should get flagged too? I'll go ahead and do that shall I.

Don't even care if I get another warning or ban. Can't argue with stupid so I won't be back on this thread again.

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Joshlenoir

Miss_Tiffany wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

It's interesting because the only comments here being filtered and edited for toxicity are from you and miss Tiffany. Maybe you should practice what you preach

If the word [snip] is getting filtered here, even with stars or missing letters, maybe the guild name should get flagged too? I'll go ahead and do that shall I.

Don't even care if I get another warning or ban. Can't argue with stupid so I won't be back on this thread again.

Have a nice day @Miss_Tiffany .

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