No-CP DD MagSorc | 11.6k Ward + Major Defile | Oncoming Storm | Build & Gameplay Murkmire

Taylor_MB

~~~ Oncoming Storm ~~~

This is my balls-to-the-wall no-CP MagSorc build for Murkmire.

Playing no-CP MagSorc comes with a few unique challenges, namely our reduced base max resources, which creates a few knock on effects-
> shields less powerful
> which means have to spend more resources on defense
> therefore higher regeneration needed
> higher regeneration achieved through the sacrifice of max magicka sets
> which makes our shields even weaker
> meaning more shield spam
> which takes even more regeneration!
> all culminating in significantly reduced damage

Alas it's not all doom and gloom though! I've always found sorcerer so much more enjoyable when I don't have to shield stack, so with that in mind, and to counter the classic no-CP conundrum I detailed above, I present to you the Oncoming Storm!

Build and Gameplay

https://youtu.be/6ja-ms64r-0

Did I few things different in this build video-
1) I tried being funny for once, let me know I failed and I'll shut the hell up.
2) Added some soft background music so it's not my voice droning on the entire time, let me know how it went.


5x Necropotence
5x Bright-Throat's Boast
2x Mighty Chudan


* pot active and berserker enchant active

Why Might Chudan?
I agree, I never thought I'd make a build with Chudan in it, but since release it's received a 1k HP boost and benefited from the numerous resistance set bonuses increases which has increasingly made it more attractive. I discuss this in detail in the video, but in brief-
• Chudan gives you the perfect balance of max magicka (allowing you to slot Bound Aegis) and max HP to get a huge no-CP shield whilst providing extra resistances to make that shield last longer.
• Chudan + Bound Aegis out performs any combination of Monster Set + Boundless Storm due to this builds specific focus on max magicka.
*only negative is you lose the DoT of boundless and its anti-NB properties, for myself this is insignificant, but obviously your mileage may vary and may not be appropriate

Hope ya'll enjoy my MagSorc!
- Tay

ccmedaddy

Neat. This is actually what I'm running on my magden in BGs at the moment, except with Pirate Skelly instead of Chudan. Having 45k magicka on an Argonian in no CP feels amazing.

mav1234

That's a terrifyingly balanced looking build... nice job and thanks for the share!

Taylor_MB

@mav1234
Stamina (max and regen) is a little low, but alas that is the no-CP life. No easy way to get them higher without sacrificing primary stats.

@ccmedaddy
Yup! Perfect set combo for max magicka.

brandonv516

Just trying to understand Charged inferno staff with disease enchant. Is it really effective?

Taylor_MB

@brandonv516
Standard Status Effect Proc Chances
Enchants: 20%
Direct damage & Initial DoT Tick: 10%
Single Target DoTs: 3%
AoE DoTs: 1%

With Charged Destruction Staff (100% from destro passives, 220% from charged)
Enchants: 84%
Direct damage & Initial DoT Tick: 42%
AoE DoTs: 12.6%
Single Target DoTs: 4.2%

So smashing a target dummy, disease enchant has a 4 second proc cooldown, and the Major Defile status effect lasts for 4 seconds. EDIT: If the Elemental Force description is accurate, that means we have an uptime of 64%, otherwise if it actually effects all damage types it's an uptime of 84% (my test of 72 hits had a 75% uptime, so larger sample size required for definitive answer).

Additionally, charged means-
• Twilight has a 42% chance to proc Minor Vulnerability every 2 seconds.
• Flame Reach has a 63% chance to proc burning every rotation (42% initial hit + 5x 4.2% for DoT)

However, status effects cannot proc on damage shields and Bosmer and Argonian cannot recieve Major Defile from a status effect due to their racial disease resistances. The racial immunities are likely to chance soon though given upcoming re-balancing.

brandonv516

Taylor_MB wrote: »

@brandonv516
Standard Status Effect Proc Chances
Enchants: 20%
Direct damage & Initial DoT Tick: 10%
Single Target DoTs: 3%
AoE DoTs: 1%

With Charged Destruction Staff (100% from destro passives, 220% from charged)
Enchants: 84%
Direct damage & Initial DoT Tick: 42%
AoE DoTs: 12.6%
Single Target DoTs: 4.2%

So smashing a target dummy, disease enchant has a 4 second proc cooldown, and the Major Defile status effect lasts for 4 seconds, which means max up time is a respectable 84%.

Additionally, charged means-
• Twilight has a 42% chance to proc Minor Vulnerability every 2 seconds.
• Flame Reach has a 63% chance to proc burning every rotation (42% initial hit + 5x 4.2% for DoT)

However, status effects cannot proc on damage shields and Bosmer and Argonian cannot recieve Major Defile from a status effect due to their racial disease resistances. The racial immunities are likely to chance soon though given upcoming re-balancing.

Great info...definitely something I need to look into for my Magblade.

As for the bold part, I keep hearing conflicting answers on this. Some say it was changed, others no. Not doubting you but have you tested this recently?

Jaxaxo

Taylor_MB wrote: »

@brandonv516
Standard Status Effect Proc Chances
Enchants: 20%
Direct damage & Initial DoT Tick: 10%
Single Target DoTs: 3%
AoE DoTs: 1%

With Charged Destruction Staff (100% from destro passives, 220% from charged)
Enchants: 84%
Direct damage & Initial DoT Tick: 42%
AoE DoTs: 12.6%
Single Target DoTs: 4.2%

So smashing a target dummy, disease enchant has a 4 second proc cooldown, and the Major Defile status effect lasts for 4 seconds, which means max up time is a respectable 84%.

Additionally, charged means-
• Twilight has a 42% chance to proc Minor Vulnerability every 2 seconds.
• Flame Reach has a 63% chance to proc burning every rotation (42% initial hit + 5x 4.2% for DoT)

However, status effects cannot proc on damage shields and Bosmer and Argonian cannot recieve Major Defile from a status effect due to their racial disease resistances. The racial immunities are likely to chance soon though given upcoming re-balancing.

just saying, that the passive from destro staff is working only for chilled/concussion/burning (at least that's what they wrote there, i didnt test it)

Taylor_MB

@brandonv516
Just re-tested, does not proc on damage shields. The befoul enchant still procs and does damage, but the extra "disease" damage and status effect does not proc.

@Jaxaxo
Good point, I didn't even notice it was restricted to only the elemental damage types. Just hit the target dummy 72 times and it didn't proc 11 of the those times, so that's a 75% uptime. Which puts in right in the middle of 64% (no Elemental Force) and 84% (with Elemental Force).

So either we need a higher sample size (can't be assed right now) or we calculating it wrong? Not sure.

pzschrek

Gee thanks for letting everyone in on the secret, TAY

I run a close variant of this (though the seed of my own build was from zheg). I find I hit noticeably less hard than my old pre-Murkmire build but survivability is vastly better. I never thought of charged cheese for defile that might be just the ticket.

PhoenixGrey

This is my preferred setup for CP actually. I run S&B with 2 wards and ele drain though. Big shields with decent damage

brandonv516

Very impressed with the Destro Charged with Disease enchant (and Charged as a whole).

On my Magblade I have a higher chance to apply status effects with:

Ice Comet
Destructive Reach
Caluurions
Light/Heavy attacks

So the majority of the time an enemy has a status effect applied on them!

Taylor_MB

@PhoenixGrey
Yeah! Shield is great for back bar to stack even more magicka. I wanted to play with defile this time though, so that required 2x staffs so I could still keep an easily proc-able berserker enchant.

@brandonv516
Yup, charged trait is low key very powerful. If you play CP, you should play around with lightening attacks (or enchant) + lightening WoE of elements to proc off balance. You'll get 8% from Minor Vulnerability + whatever the CP damage done passive for off balance is (not in game can't check).

Works awesome with Force Pulse also. Not 100% up time on them all, but just a constant rotating debuff roster, haha.

Kikke

Personaly I just dropped wards all together....

Did not change my class cannon build from pre-nerfmire....

Cant tank them? Kill them before they kill you.

mursie

@Taylor_MB wouldn't you rather have bound aegis on your main attack bar (where frag and fury are) as it buffs max magicka to make it hit harder?

the bar you have it on does nothing to boost shields.. seems like a waste on that bar? am i missing something

dazee

Wait is there a CP star which increases max resources? I must have missed it becuase I can't find one which does that at all.

Taylor_MB

@mursie
Shields are still scaled off max magicka, they are just now capped at a certain % of max HP (50% for Hardened Ward, 40% for Annulment). So it is making shields bigger. But you are right, I lose a little damage by having less max magicka on front bar.

@dazee
Each CP adds like 10 to the max resource of the tree it falls under. So with max CP assigned you get an extra ~3k of every resource (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it is around that level).

Solariken

I love the build, but I'm fairly sure I would be garbage with it. I can barely play my magicka toons without Shacklebreaker, trifood, and 1pc Domihaus. Stamina pool is the real lifeblood of survivability for me, but maybe I just need to L2P more on shields.

HansProlo

I am using iceheart on my frost warden and i am having great success with that. Your idea would probably also work good with boundless backbar and iceheart. Perhaps with frost staff backbar and psijic ultimate. This way you would have 3 shields.
Could compensate with 1 protective ring.

mursie

good build - I can't make up my mind which I like more. drop chudan for a necro head/shoulder and run master's lightning for a cheap hard hitting spammable (slot boundless storm where u have aegis)... or this setup.


I also hate the fact that a dk can shut the build down pretty hard. leaving only curse, fury, and LA/HA's available for dmg.

Minno

This build will get a buff after the bug for chudan gets fixed. Some people reported it doesn't grant major ward/resolve in murkmire.

MalagenR

Taylor_MB wrote: »

@PhoenixGrey
Yeah! Shield is great for back bar to stack even more magicka. I wanted to play with defile this time though, so that required 2x staffs so I could still keep an easily proc-able berserker enchant.

@brandonv516
Yup, charged trait is low key very powerful. If you play CP, you should play around with lightening attacks (or enchant) + lightening WoE of elements to proc off balance. You'll get 8% from Minor Vulnerability + whatever the CP damage done passive for off balance is (not in game can't check).

Works awesome with Force Pulse also. Not 100% up time on them all, but just a constant rotating debuff roster, haha.

People are catching on - Wall of Elements + Class Root (30% Vitality) with surge up and a force pull will literally take you from low to full health in a matter of 1 GCD.

Only way imo to get powerful healing + damage without a pet as a Sorc, even nastier if you use frost + charged + frost enchant on front bar for minor maim. minor maim is a huge damage debuff - riposte is almost on par with pariah for defense according to that big defense thread and charged frost enchant + frost wall of elements = deadly

HansProlo

MalagenR wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

@PhoenixGrey
Yeah! Shield is great for back bar to stack even more magicka. I wanted to play with defile this time though, so that required 2x staffs so I could still keep an easily proc-able berserker enchant.

@brandonv516
Yup, charged trait is low key very powerful. If you play CP, you should play around with lightening attacks (or enchant) + lightening WoE of elements to proc off balance. You'll get 8% from Minor Vulnerability + whatever the CP damage done passive for off balance is (not in game can't check).

Works awesome with Force Pulse also. Not 100% up time on them all, but just a constant rotating debuff roster, haha.

People are catching on - Wall of Elements + Class Root (30% Vitality) with surge up and a force pull will literally take you from low to full health in a matter of 1 GCD.

Only way imo to get powerful healing + damage without a pet as a Sorc, even nastier if you use frost + charged + frost enchant on front bar for minor maim. minor maim is a huge damage debuff - riposte is almost on par with pariah for defense according to that big defense thread and charged frost enchant + frost wall of elements = deadly

heal from surge says pnly one per second so how will you be healed to full in one gcd?

MalagenR

HansProlo wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

@PhoenixGrey
Yeah! Shield is great for back bar to stack even more magicka. I wanted to play with defile this time though, so that required 2x staffs so I could still keep an easily proc-able berserker enchant.

@brandonv516
Yup, charged trait is low key very powerful. If you play CP, you should play around with lightening attacks (or enchant) + lightening WoE of elements to proc off balance. You'll get 8% from Minor Vulnerability + whatever the CP damage done passive for off balance is (not in game can't check).

Works awesome with Force Pulse also. Not 100% up time on them all, but just a constant rotating debuff roster, haha.

People are catching on - Wall of Elements + Class Root (30% Vitality) with surge up and a force pull will literally take you from low to full health in a matter of 1 GCD.

Only way imo to get powerful healing + damage without a pet as a Sorc, even nastier if you use frost + charged + frost enchant on front bar for minor maim. minor maim is a huge damage debuff - riposte is almost on par with pariah for defense according to that big defense thread and charged frost enchant + frost wall of elements = deadly

heal from surge says pnly one per second so how will you be healed to full in one gcd?

Not sure what to tell you, how do you think so many Sorc's heal themselves in Maelstrom with only Surge while using Spellpower pots, it's definitely not just 1 per second, the same way Elemental Drain doesn't feel like only 600 per tick, feels like a lot more, feels like every hit generates the +++++

HansProlo

Not sure what to tell you, how do you think so many Sorc's heal themselves in Maelstrom with only Surge while using Spellpower pots, it's definitely not just 1 per second, the same way Elemental Drain doesn't feel like only 600 per tick, feels like a lot more, feels like every hit generates the +++++

if its right what you say, them the tooltips are wrong or not accurate. probably once per second per mob. have to test this out.

Minno

Taylor_MB wrote: »

@brandonv516
Just re-tested, does not proc on damage shields. The befoul enchant still procs and does damage, but the extra "disease" damage and status effect does not proc.

@Jaxaxo
Good point, I didn't even notice it was restricted to only the elemental damage types. Just hit the target dummy 72 times and it didn't proc 11 of the those times, so that's a 75% uptime. Which puts in right in the middle of 64% (no Elemental Force) and 84% (with Elemental Force).

So either we need a higher sample size (can't be assed right now) or we calculating it wrong? Not sure.

I am guessing even if the disease enchant isnt boosted by the destro staff passive, force pulse dmg is. So you will get the 8% dmg increase from lighting dmg which will offset the lower uptime on the disease.

Sotha_Sil

Great build, thank you for sharing. Really enjoying it.

Ollowaiin2

Comparing this build to alcast's storm, you have a lack of resistance and get your *** kicked. How do you survive anything?

glavius

I'm surprised you can manage with base stamina regen+high elf passive on no cp. When I tried sorc on no cp, one dk using fossilize pretty much killed my stam pool (with much higher pool and regen than you have)
And a good player or 2 cc'ing you every 8 seconds will drain the pool pretty fast too.

Romilly

Does the build still work in Dragonhold? Been looking for a NOCP build that's tried and tested.

Iskiab

Romilly wrote: »

Does the build still work in Dragonhold? Been looking for a NOCP build that's tried and tested.

Yes, but with some changes. Altmer's a good choice too, but with the sorc stamina sustain passive I went for wood elf instead.

Magsorc is strong enough there are lots of ways to do it. I play mine this way, and it's an alt that I rarely play but I felt it was strong enough I didn't need to tweak it anymore. Basicly Chudan + Necro + BTB is great for shields and boosting the pet heal so it's a good starting place:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=206657