Campaigns for Morrowind

Vorrador

I want Thornblade back!!!

Well not just the name or lag, but the fun we had back in those days

White wabbit

Not sure what Zos direction is but they seem lost

waitwhat

@ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_GinaBruno

If I'm not mistaken, this will result in a net drop in the number of campaigns for most platforms. Does that mean computing resources will be consolidated to allow for higher population caps in the new campaigns?

Also, perhaps the addition of a successful PvP venue with battlegrounds will reduce expected populations/queues for open world Cyrodiil, thus allowing for further resource consolidation?

Derra

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

waitwhat

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

@Derra

Stamsorc? Probably vigor, and a less-effective surge. You will also have to focus more on damage avoidance, rather than mitigation.

The class will become more difficult to play if more players move to non-CP campaigns. How tragic.

Rohamad_Ali

I made the mistake of leveling CP max to be competitive in PVP on all campaigns . That is a lot of work especially considering doing it twice . Players should have choices in CP or Non CP . Some class builds don't work well in non cp and some class builds only excel in non cp . It's a lot of work and gold to respec back and forth if your campaign queue is too long to wait , on top of the time already spent maxing skills and cp out .

That said , this system change to mostly no cp is a punishment to progressive play . I could of just stopped advancing at cp 160 for gear had I known battlegrounds would not have fully leveled players and most Cyrodiil as well . That's frustrating to say the least . If people didn't like cp they had choices to play without them and those servers were not crunched for space . They could log in their lower level play style and have fun right away . That wasn't the case for CP max level players . Those campaigns on 30 day were very packed . Somehow the opposite of what should happen happened .

If people did not want to work their tails off leveling they didn't have too . But for those of Us that did and enjoy playing were proc suits , poisons , siege and all other forms of cheese were not as OP , this is a mess and a punishment for working hard .

Removing all CP but leaving all the crutch sets , poisons and two shot cold fire siege in is not going to make the other half of a divided PVP audience happy . CP is nerfed hard next patch along with classes . That was already an obstacle to hurdle . With those nerfs on top of No CP ... Well , those that have had the privilege to test can predict the amount of complaints about to plaeg the forums on Momday .

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , I know you care about PVP health . I know you've tested the new system and have read the reactions . Would it not be wise to air on the side of caution a little more then some of the other Devs and leave on more 7 day overflow CP campaign up on PC until you get a feel for a true Live experience with the full player base here ? Not everyone is happy with losing progress with no compensation for time wasted . Why insert this so heavily right away ? You can change it back to this in a few weeks if I was wrong . I bet aim not though .

Derra

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

@Derra

Stamsorc? Probably vigor, and a less-effective surge. You will also have to focus more on damage avoidance, rather than mitigation.

The class will become more difficult to play if more players move to non-CP campaigns. How tragic.

Magsorc - without stacking shields.

waitwhat

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

@Derra

Stamsorc? Probably vigor, and a less-effective surge. You will also have to focus more on damage avoidance, rather than mitigation.

The class will become more difficult to play if more players move to non-CP campaigns. How tragic.

Magsorc - without stacking shields.

Consider a resto-staff on your back bar. You don't always have to be a damage machine in Cyrodiil.

Nobody's winning nobility points by not stacking shields as a sorc. It is how the class is supposed to work, counterplay to shields notwithstanding.

Indeed, the absence of good healing has often been touted as why shields don't need additional counterplay. As a magsorc, your loss of good passive heals is even more deserved a balance than it would be if you were a stamsorc. Magsorcs won't be able to disengage, shield up, and heal. They will become more difficult to play in non-CP campaigns. Again, how tragic.

Finally, this is only in a non-CP campaign. Sorcs can queue up for the CP campaign if their egos can't stand a drop in survivability. Arguing this point will only serve to bolster support for removing CP from PvP.

KingMagaw

Sallington wrote: »

If you want CP removed from PvP, then just stop making CP-enabled campaigns. Everyone is going to continue to overwhelming flock to them if there's one available. All this does is *** people off since the queue for the only CP server will be ridiculous.

Agreed. Game is going the way of No CP, just slowly and without Z0$ admitting they rushed a bandaid fix to the VR system.

IxSTALKERxI

Good thing I didn't grind my CP. Got most of my 800 CP from pvping lol.

Derra

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

@Derra

Stamsorc? Probably vigor, and a less-effective surge. You will also have to focus more on damage avoidance, rather than mitigation.

The class will become more difficult to play if more players move to non-CP campaigns. How tragic.

Magsorc - without stacking shields.

Consider a resto-staff on your back bar. You don't always have to be a damage machine in Cyrodiil.

Nobody's winning nobility points by not stacking shields as a sorc. It is how the class is supposed to work, counterplay to shields notwithstanding.

Indeed, the absence of good healing has often been touted as why shields don't need additional counterplay. As a magsorc, your loss of good passive heals is even more deserved a balance than it would be if you were a stamsorc. Magsorcs won't be able to disengage, shield up, and heal. They will become more difficult to play in non-CP campaigns. Again, how tragic.

Finally, this is only in a non-CP campaign. Sorcs can queue up for the CP campaign if their egos can't stand a drop in survivability. Arguing this point will only serve to bolster support for removing CP from PvP.

Hello - you must be the famous chess playing pidgeon. So excited to meet you. I´ve heared lots of stories.

waitwhat

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

@Derra

Stamsorc? Probably vigor, and a less-effective surge. You will also have to focus more on damage avoidance, rather than mitigation.

The class will become more difficult to play if more players move to non-CP campaigns. How tragic.

Magsorc - without stacking shields.

Consider a resto-staff on your back bar. You don't always have to be a damage machine in Cyrodiil.

Nobody's winning nobility points by not stacking shields as a sorc. It is how the class is supposed to work, counterplay to shields notwithstanding.

Indeed, the absence of good healing has often been touted as why shields don't need additional counterplay. As a magsorc, your loss of good passive heals is even more deserved a balance than it would be if you were a stamsorc. Magsorcs won't be able to disengage, shield up, and heal. They will become more difficult to play in non-CP campaigns. Again, how tragic.

Finally, this is only in a non-CP campaign. Sorcs can queue up for the CP campaign if their egos can't stand a drop in survivability. Arguing this point will only serve to bolster support for removing CP from PvP.

Hello - you must be the famous chess playing pidgeon. So excited to meet you. I´ve heared lots of stories.

Happy to help. Enjoy your rebalancing.

Necosileo

ZOS, we don't work for you. Stop trying to drive us to play the way you want us to...

silky_soft

Well I thought we were going to get tickets to cyrodiil from crown crates. So this isn't too bad. 60q now going to be 600q. She'll be right mate.

Qbiken

Rudyard wrote: »

PVP is now going to be lots of people heavy attacking one another will occasional skills thrown in.

PvP will be procset paradise when Morrowind is released due to the unability to sustain.

SirCritical

Sallington wrote: »

If you want CP removed from PvP, then just stop making CP-enabled campaigns. Everyone is going to continue to overwhelming flock to them if there's one available. All this does is *** people off since the queue for the only CP server will be ridiculous.

While I'm really for PvE, and have absolutely no interest in PvP, have to admit I don't see any meaning of 'development' for PvPers with these latest changes: procsets non-crit, CP-nerfs (sustain), non-CP campaigns etc. What should those guys in Cyro fight for? Pure AP? Just for fun? Ofc no elements in this game should be about grinding anything, but what is the goal of PvPers after these changes, and especially if ZOS will remove CP from all the PvP scene one day?

Derra

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

So what heal am i supposed to use a sorc?

@Derra

Stamsorc? Probably vigor, and a less-effective surge. You will also have to focus more on damage avoidance, rather than mitigation.

The class will become more difficult to play if more players move to non-CP campaigns. How tragic.

Magsorc - without stacking shields.

Consider a resto-staff on your back bar. You don't always have to be a damage machine in Cyrodiil.

Nobody's winning nobility points by not stacking shields as a sorc. It is how the class is supposed to work, counterplay to shields notwithstanding.

Indeed, the absence of good healing has often been touted as why shields don't need additional counterplay. As a magsorc, your loss of good passive heals is even more deserved a balance than it would be if you were a stamsorc. Magsorcs won't be able to disengage, shield up, and heal. They will become more difficult to play in non-CP campaigns. Again, how tragic.

Finally, this is only in a non-CP campaign. Sorcs can queue up for the CP campaign if their egos can't stand a drop in survivability. Arguing this point will only serve to bolster support for removing CP from PvP.

Hello - you must be the famous chess playing pidgeon. So excited to meet you. I´ve heared lots of stories.

Happy to help. Enjoy your rebalancing.

I really don´t give a damn. I´m not using surge anymore for those exact reasons since one tamriel.

Does not keep mit from aknowledging that a skill that´s already mediocre at best gets passively nerfed and that this is in my opinion problematic.
NBs siphoning attacks provides better healing than surge on pts. That´s how bad that skill is.

InvitationNotFound

well, hard to say if this change will be good or not. it might be or it might be miserable.

personally I don't care as I'm currently mostly playing on a no-cp campaign.
there are pros and cons against no-cp / cp but in the end it might be simply your personal taste.

while I currently prefer no-cp (less cancerous crap - obvious flaws that cps are introducing) I understand that some people prefer cp campaigns. Forcing them to join a no-cp campaign might not be a good idea. Anyway, I'd still recommend everyone to take a look at no-cp (you should previously adjust your gear, otherwise it very likely will suck) when they introduce the new campaigns.

Anne_Firehawk

All the changes away from CP make me sick, why the *** did you guys even introduce them in 1.6 if taking them away in most places now anyways? Can we exclusively get dynamic ultimate in noCP? Can you please put more effort into class balance so classes like Magicka DK are actually playable in noCP without having to run 5 Seducer, 5 Alteration Mastery, 1 Shadowrend, 1 Chokethorn?
This is really bad, dont know what to say anymore. Taking away CP in most PVP environments without looking at individual classes, its just so sad.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

llllADBllll

Why aren't EU getting a 7 day CP Campaign that's just unfair.I've switched my Guild over to Haderus the past 2 weeks and now the 7 day CP is going.

Awesome

Feanor

Sadly that won't move the red zerg trains away from EU PC Azura. Guess no CP PvP will be two buff campaigns then. Sad times.

Asgari

I feel like most of the pvp community understands that the dev she can't balance the game for pvp. So you make a major update all about sustain nerfs and damage changes that all again tie into the cp system, and then you take away another cp campaign only to force more no cp.

How casual of a game do you want eso to become? You do realize that no cp is going to be worse for your company than cp right?

Once all those fresh players start coming with morrowind and get instantly 1 shot with broken proc sets like oblivion damage they are going to rage quit.

zuto40

Looks like Xbox na has the most pop console>pc peasant

kynseon

We need a 7 day Champ campaign

kilo_mds

Well that really disapointing news for tge people who played from day one , cp is capped whyle we dealth with pc tranfers when game launched on console . Vet lvls removed after grinding every char to v14 then v16 . Now after two years a new pvp mode comes out and no cp ? Also even when no1 plays no cp campaigns you remove the few cp campaings left to push everyone into 1 campaign and embrace the lagg ...
i think my final days on eso are counted , bought the expansion and already regret it .
You guys do nothing to reward the loyal players but everything to promote game to new occasional players . Good luck keeping the game alive and selling overpized houses to ocasional gamers . This was it for me , had very good times and met alot of nice people whyle playing a very nice game but nothing left to play for .

llSRRll

@kilo_mds Yup I totally agree, should have never taken away Vet levels and institute CP's. Now we have put so much time and effort into CP's and now getting that taken away. Why punish you loyal players who have put the time and effort in?

Minno

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

I've been able to match CP crit by using thief stone with gold percise traits instead of running atronach (my stone on CP). Though I am using light armor so I get some penetration+ some crit as well.

HA, you are out of luck.

Emothic

Better keep a few Champion point PvP servers in the game.

llSRRll

BS smdh

llSRRll

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Kyne is a level 10-49 campaign with a 7-day duration (the first post has been updated to reflect, sorry about that!)

Also, personal attacks against Brian or any of our other developers will not be tolerated. You don't need to sugarcoat your posts, but please leave personal attacks and outright bashing out of it.

How else are we going to express our displeasure with what you are doing? Your nerfing the game into the ground to make up for CP's that you where so high on almost a year ago. Then realize they are too strong for the content that is already out there but instead of making newer harder content you just make the old stuff harder by nerfing us. Why the hell are we still accumulating CP's when we are at max anyways? Then comes this, you force us into one 30 day campaign bc lets be serious nobody wants to play without CP. You have made us work for them and we want to use them. Then you come out with Battlegrounds and make them non-cp smh. Your going to lose a lot of loyal player who have been playing for a very long time and you'll never get enough newer players to off set that.