Campaigns for Morrowind

WRX

It seems alot of people are forgetting all the other changes to sustain ZoS made that will hurt non-CP similarly to how it hurts CP.

Evocation: This is now a 2-point passive, originally 3-points. It now reduces the cost of your Magicka abilities by 1/2% per piece of Light Armor, down from 1/2/3%.

Medium Armor
Wind Walker: This passive ability now reduces the cost of your Stamina abilities by 1/2% per piece of Medium Armor, down from 2/3%.

Heavy Armor
Constitution: Reduced the Magicka and Stamina restored by this passive ability by approximately 42%.

Repentance (Restoring Aura morph): This morph now restores Health and Stamina based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. It also only restores Stamina to the casting Templar, but continues to restore Health to the casting Templar and his allies.

All the racial changes. Just to name a few.

Magıc

Considering absolutely nobody goes to IC on non CP campaigns already, RIP IC.

kyle.wilson

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

All current Campaigns will be shut down on 5/22 for PC (Early Access) and 6/6 for consoles (Morrowind launch), and new ones will be opening in their stead! We are doing this to give everyone a chance to re-plant their flags and find new homes to flex their Alliance mettle. Also note that Campaigns are being shifted to be mostly Non-Champion to go along with Battlegrounds being non-Champion based.

New Campaigns (the following are for all Platforms, all Regions):
• Almalexia - Ruleset: 7 day Non-Champ
• Sotha Sil – Ruleset: 30 day Non-Champ
• Vivec – Ruleset: 30 day Champ
• Kyne – Ruleset: 7 day lvl10-49 Non-Champ

In addition to the above, Xbox NA will also have the following Campaign added:
• Shor – Ruleset: 7 day Champ

Campaigns that are being shut down will award players based on the Leaderboard and score status at the time of shut down. All players will be granted free Home assignments as well.

Why not just get rid of CP altogether. As long as players have a CP campaign that one will be full. Remember the same thing happened to Trueflame when Azura Star was made non-CP.

This just emphasizes that ZOS isn't listening one bit to our complaints.
@ZOS_MattFiror

Durham

I crash around 7:15 est. time On Trueflame now I have to wait in a 16 Q .... I look at the non CP campaign its not locked ... So why add more NonCP when not as many people play it ? My guild left TF because of lag and Q's .... Now are we going to forced to play the Q game for CP?

Rudyard

PVP is now going to be lots of people heavy attacking one another will occasional skills thrown in.

mr_runaway_666b16_ESO

Changed over to non cp to prepare for battlegrounds but ended up enjoying it more than cp PvP. I was hoping for more non cp campaigns. Feels more like good old PvP where people die

a1i3nz

LOL

Oh man this is golden. Have fun in no CP campaigns with resource poisons ><

Durham

People are leaving the game.... People do not like this patch

Darlgon

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno Does this mean we will have PERMANENT EMPERORS from all the current campaigns?

And.. dont forget FREE GUEST CAMPAIGN resets too.

Crown

Darlgon wrote: »

Does this mean we will have PERMANENT EMPERORS from all the current campaigns?

@Darlgon There are already about a dozen people with permanent Emperor titles. You have to be emperor when a campaign is removed.

DisgracefulMind

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Trueflame already gets queues over a hundred. Guess with only 1 cp campaign we can expect that queue to be even longer for Vivec.......

Yeah, PC/NA sees queues on the weekend over 100 often enough. Going to be interesting since most players prefer the 30 day CP camp >.>

Not sure if people really prefer the 30 Day CP campaign, or if that is where everyone flocks to because the competitive guilds are all there. I personally enjoy the no CP campaigns. It seems to be the writing is on the wall, ZOS wants to move to a no CP platform. This is a chance for the competitive guilds to flip over to the 30 day NO-CP campaign.


BY Server...NA/PC
Trueflame Soon to be called Vivec

DC

1. Vehemence (VE)___________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
2. Blood of Daggerfall (BoD)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
3. Arcadian knights (AK)______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
4. ShadowGrabber (SG)_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
5. The Kelly Gang (TKG)______Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
6. KHOLE____________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)
7. Elder Skillz (Skillz)_________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)

EP

1. Haxus_________________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
2. Invictus_______________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(10-16)
3. Pact Militia____________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
4. Phoenix Rising_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
5. Spectres of the Phoenix(SotP)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-12)
6. War Battalion__________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
7. Wormhole (EP)_________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
8. Lambent Darkness_____________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST))(6-12)
9. Zombie Death Machine________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
10. Moons and Stars ______________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
11. AMATERAS____________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
12. Vokundein_____________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)(6-12)
13. Looking for Group (LFG)________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)
14. Flame________________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)(4-12)
15. EP Hit Squad __________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)

AD

1. Ruin Gaming_____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(24-48)
2. Fantasia _________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-24)
3. Dominion Knights_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(16-24)
4. Dominant Dominion_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-24)
5. Venatus__________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)(6-8)
6. Queens RAM _____________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)(8-16)
7. GONDAWARA_____________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
8. Children of Hircine (CoH) __Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)(8-16)

Haderus Soon to be called Almalexia

DC

1. Macro and Cheese_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)
2. Legion of Mordor (LoM)____Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
3. DC United__________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-12)
4. Chaos Riders_______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-8)(M,W)

EP

1. Raven and the Rose (R&R)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-24)
2. Dreadlords_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-36)
3. Sempiternal Way___________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-10)
4. Dark Elf Regime____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-10)

AD

1. Total Domination (TD)________Prime Time (24/7 Coverage)(24 - 72)
2. Dominion Knights____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(12-24)
3. Republic of Bananas_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-10)
4. Imperium of the Eagle(IoTE)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-12)
5. Elderblade___________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)
6. Limited Intellect______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (3)

Azura's star Soon to be called Sotha Sil

DC

1. Requiem_________________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(5-12)
2. Tertiary Meat_____________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-14)
3. Lord FENGRUSH & DC Champions_Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(1-8)
4. House of Shadows________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)?
5. Full Metal Carebears______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)

EP

1. Darkest Requiem__________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(15-24)
2. Animosity_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-7)
3. Death's Head Legion_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-16)(S,SU)
4. Longbottom Leafers_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(10-12)
5. REVERB (BADS)___________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(2-4)

AD

1. Total Domination (TD)________Prime Time (24/7 Coverage)(24 - 72)
2. Republic of Bananas_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-10)
3. Imperium of the Eagle(IoTE)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-12)
4. Elderblade___________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)
5. Limited Intellect______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (3)

I mean, I played the noCP campaign for a very, very long time before I moved to EP and TF. Emped there for 3 weeks, etc. etc. Played an assortment of classes there as well. And this was before the massive proc sets and all that cancer. I liked it, but it grew old over time. I've not gone back because I don't want to; I prefer CP camps. It's not about crutching on CP, I just enjoy CP play. I mean, if they eventually remove CP from campaigns, whatever, but for now, they're not; therefore, I won't be switching, and I'm sure plenty of people could say the same thing.

The thing with noCP is this: The things people hate the most in this game feel amplified there. You feel resource poisons heavier, you feel shield stacking heavier, you feel the proc set power heavier, etc. I don't like that, and it's what ultimately made me leave Azura's. We're all entitled to how we feel about this, but this is my opinion on it. There are good things and bad things from both CP and nonCP PvP.

I am, however, looking forward to BGs, but I like the ability of players to choose if they want to open world PvP in noCP or CP.

KimberlyannKitsuragi

Guess I won't be touching PVP ever again. Can't we have a PvE campaign for the quests and dailies and shards

NewBlacksmurf

Shouldn't moved 30 day to 7 day
And all 7 day to 1 day

bottleofsyrup

Why make so many changes to CP just to remove it anyway?

KingJ

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Trueflame already gets queues over a hundred. Guess with only 1 cp campaign we can expect that queue to be even longer for Vivec.......

Yeah, PC/NA sees queues on the weekend over 100 often enough. Going to be interesting since most players prefer the 30 day CP camp >.>

Not sure if people really prefer the 30 Day CP campaign, or if that is where everyone flocks to because the competitive guilds are all there. I personally enjoy the no CP campaigns. It seems to be the writing is on the wall, ZOS wants to move to a no CP platform. This is a chance for the competitive guilds to flip over to the 30 day NO-CP campaign.


BY Server...NA/PC
Trueflame Soon to be called Vivec

DC

1. Vehemence (VE)___________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
2. Blood of Daggerfall (BoD)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
3. Arcadian knights (AK)______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
4. ShadowGrabber (SG)_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
5. The Kelly Gang (TKG)______Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
6. KHOLE____________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)
7. Elder Skillz (Skillz)_________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)

EP

1. Haxus_________________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
2. Invictus_______________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(10-16)
3. Pact Militia____________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
4. Phoenix Rising_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
5. Spectres of the Phoenix(SotP)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-12)
6. War Battalion__________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
7. Wormhole (EP)_________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
8. Lambent Darkness_____________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST))(6-12)
9. Zombie Death Machine________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
10. Moons and Stars ______________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
11. AMATERAS____________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
12. Vokundein_____________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)(6-12)
13. Looking for Group (LFG)________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)
14. Flame________________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)(4-12)
15. EP Hit Squad __________________Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)

AD

1. Ruin Gaming_____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(24-48)
2. Fantasia _________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-24)
3. Dominion Knights_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(16-24)
4. Dominant Dominion_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-24)
5. Venatus__________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)(6-8)
6. Queens RAM _____________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)(8-16)
7. GONDAWARA_____________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)
8. Children of Hircine (CoH) __Day (9 AM EST - 5 PM EST)(8-16)

Haderus Soon to be called Almalexia

DC

1. Macro and Cheese_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)
2. Legion of Mordor (LoM)____Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)
3. DC United__________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-12)
4. Chaos Riders_______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-8)(M,W)

EP

1. Raven and the Rose (R&R)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-24)
2. Dreadlords_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-36)
3. Sempiternal Way___________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-10)
4. Dark Elf Regime____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-10)

AD

1. Total Domination (TD)________Prime Time (24/7 Coverage)(24 - 72)
2. Dominion Knights____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(12-24)
3. Republic of Bananas_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-10)
4. Imperium of the Eagle(IoTE)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-12)
5. Elderblade___________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)
6. Limited Intellect______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (3)

Azura's star Soon to be called Sotha Sil

DC

1. Requiem_________________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(5-12)
2. Tertiary Meat_____________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-14)
3. Lord FENGRUSH & DC Champions_Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(1-8)
4. House of Shadows________________Night (1 AM EST - 9 AM EST)?
5. Full Metal Carebears______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)

EP

1. Darkest Requiem__________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(15-24)
2. Animosity_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-7)
3. Death's Head Legion_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(8-16)(S,SU)
4. Longbottom Leafers_______Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(10-12)
5. REVERB (BADS)___________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(2-4)

AD

1. Total Domination (TD)________Prime Time (24/7 Coverage)(24 - 72)
2. Republic of Bananas_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-10)
3. Imperium of the Eagle(IoTE)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-12)
4. Elderblade___________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)
5. Limited Intellect______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (3)

I mean, I played the noCP campaign for a very, very long time before I moved to EP and TF. Emped there for 3 weeks, etc. etc. Played an assortment of classes there as well. And this was before the massive proc sets and all that cancer. I liked it, but it grew old over time. I've not gone back because I don't want to; I prefer CP camps. It's not about crutching on CP, I just enjoy CP play. I mean, if they eventually remove CP from campaigns, whatever, but for now, they're not; therefore, I won't be switching, and I'm sure plenty of people could say the same thing.

The thing with noCP is this: The things people hate the most in this game feel amplified there. You feel resource poisons heavier, you feel shield stacking heavier, you feel the proc set power heavier, etc. I don't like that, and it's what ultimately made me leave Azura's. We're all entitled to how we feel about this, but this is my opinion on it. There are good things and bad things from both CP and nonCP PvP.

I am, however, looking forward to BGs, but I like the ability of players to choose if they want to open world PvP in noCP or CP.

I been saying this for a while now.A lot more people would play no cp if all the things that we hate wasn't worst in no cp.Just change proc sets and poison a bit and a lot of players would enjoy the game more.

Twohothardware

I'm all for this change to more no-cp Campaigns and actually think the move would of been best if you just made all Campaigns no cp at this point.

You guys also need to look into separating Imperial City from the Campaigns altogether. Imperial City should be a completely separate queue so that it not only is better populated but so that players are not taking up spots in a Campaign hurting their alliance when the server is full and you got a bunch of people in IC.

IxSTALKERxI

@Crispen_Longbow

I'll be homing on whichever campaign has the highest 24/7 population (oceanic presence).

Publius_Scipio

How about a poll or community contest to name the new campaigns?

Bone Breaker
Shattered Shield
Jyggalag
Silt Strider
Red Mountain
Nerevar
Fengrush
Heart of Lorkhan
Numidium

waitwhat

I like everything about these changes except that they named the campaigns after the filthy tribunal.

Iyas

Man up zos and remove cps from PvP so my guild can finally look for another game.

Stupid change

magorim

Here is a generic build for fair and balanced no CP campaign:

• Stack players
• Stack proc sets
• Stack cost poisens
• Stack Curse, Backlash, Leap and Soulassault
• 1-2x 40k health tanks with 17k stam, seems to be enough to use invasion over and over

If you still get killed you're obviously playing against a cheater and macro user. Insult him. And if you have any questions, EP on currently Azura PC/EU (or afaik AD on Azura PC/NA?) will answer any questions.

waitwhat

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Perhaps add a campaign that does not possess a terminus, but rewards players based on aggregated personal and campaign score every 7, 14, 30, 60, and 120 days, with progressively better rewards for the longer intervals.

Call it "Season Unending."

olsborg

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

makeumrage

Vivec and Shor gonna be so overpopulated. Do you guys even play console? Thinking im going to livestream the Azuras Star pop on xbox and ps4 all weekend... maybe then youll notice what little bit of PvP pop we have left cant stand no CP. Literally never goes over one bar for any alliance. Usually only goes to one bar if a guild is in there trying to get an easy emp.

makeumrage

Rest in peace cyrodill. It was a good few years. Now back to 300+ ques and heavy attacks online. You guys just might as well go ahead and give us premade characters to play...

Derra

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

Mojomonkeyman

Dear ZOS,
please stop punishing players and absuing them as guinea-pigs for your non-existant, ever-changing "vision". I play every day on EU and all I can see is that people WANT to play with CP.

TF is still the one and only real server where you can have pvp all day, its the first server to fill up over any day, the first to have a queue and an overflow of people who are waiting to get in huge enough to fill up haderus up to 3 bars each faction.

You just put so much effort into overhauling the entire CP system, why not eliminating NO-CP with your new, genius CP system in place so players dont have to rethink all of their build decisions when changing content? So players are not segregated further, so players can play with their friends whenever they want without having to basically play another version of the game.

This is so utterly disappointing and is a decision which will have probably more consequences than most of the balance changes you announced. Treat it like that, involve us in decisions that change our playing experience that much. I personally don't enjoy the NO-CP environment at all, and pvp is all I do in ESO.

Regards

ItsMeToo

I for one like the CP System. It is not a crutch for CP Campaigns. I think most of the lag is caused by Addons/macros/cheat engines/etc. that make too many demands on the client to servers to clients traffic.

I think if ZoS incorporates a lot of the UI that people have been asking for and shuts off 3rd party API, then the latency will improve.

As for long load screens (and this is where I think most of the 'cheat detection code' is located), reduce how often it runs for detection, make it random. We don't need it every time we change zones. Flag suspected accounts and monitor them more often.

waitwhat

Derra wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the Qtime to get into truflame in evenings, its basicly rip pvp and that means rip eso for me, only reason im still here is becasue I can go haderus, wich i love because there no lagg. 1vXing on a nocp camp is boring af.

There is hardly any difference between CP and nonCP on pts sustain wise - damage is most likely higher on nonCP if you build right (hey you´re nb go for the proccsets).

What i´d like to know is: How are people supposed to utilize mechanics based on crit - like surge - when crit got a huge nerf with the introduction of CP because they moved ~35% of your base crit into the CP system.
The ability has been completely reworked two times after the introduction of CP with 12% critchance from CP in mind. How is anyone supposed to use it in an environment it was not designed for?

@Derra

Well, this may be an indirect, unintended nerfing of that ability, because other classes/races/builds that utilize--if not depend upon--crit mechanics for their success will benefit from the removal of CP-provided crit resistances.

In other words, the answer to your question could very well be: "They're supposed to use it with less ease and success."

Grumble_and_Grunt

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I mean, I played the noCP campaign for a very, very long time before I moved to EP and TF. Emped there for 3 weeks, etc. etc. Played an assortment of classes there as well. And this was before the massive proc sets and all that cancer. I liked it, but it grew old over time. I've not gone back because I don't want to; I prefer CP camps. It's not about crutching on CP, I just enjoy CP play. I mean, if they eventually remove CP from campaigns, whatever, but for now, they're not; therefore, I won't be switching, and I'm sure plenty of people could say the same thing.

The thing with noCP is this: The things people hate the most in this game feel amplified there. You feel resource poisons heavier, you feel shield stacking heavier, you feel the proc set power heavier, etc. I don't like that, and it's what ultimately made me leave Azura's. We're all entitled to how we feel about this, but this is my opinion on it. There are good things and bad things from both CP and nonCP PvP.

I am, however, looking forward to BGs, but I like the ability of players to choose if they want to open world PvP in noCP or CP.

This is exactly how I feel about it tbh. BG sure 4v4v4 with no CP no problem, it's fast paced reactive gameplay, nobody wants to be beating on some guy for more than a couple minutes because of CP there, but Cyrodiil? Cyrodiil is a completely different ball park.

Having also played no CP extensively for a time, I too came to the same conclusion as you. For me noCP only emphasises the lack of class balance in the game after playing no CP with all classes over time, some have far superior inherit resource management than others, some class abilities scale much better/just generally more powerful and effective than others and you really feel this without CP, but again something you can deal with in BG for example because it's 4v4v4.

In Cyro if you enjoy playing with a few friends or solo and not into large scale PvP or more importantly not into optimising your builds/groups to the absolute min/max to play than (Not that there is anything wrong with that) noCP is really limiting in my opinion and frustrating and expanding on my earlier point about Class balance, Mag DK and Mag Temp, or any class with limited mobility make noCP really frustrating since, yes everyone has lower dmg without CP, but on top of that losing the red CP on a DK or Templar in noCP where you find yourself outnumbered (Always the case on EU) you're going to have a really hard time disengaging alive a lot of the times and on the off chance you do, you sure as hell have no resources left because you're crutched on Mist for mobility and it is awful in noCP and despite dmg being less, having numerous people pummel abilities on you in noCP you just can't take it, so your lack of mobility shows there.

Elaborating on my second point is noCP requires you really to build around your class, which is fine, makes sense, but it just feels really restricting. On CP I have more freedom with my builds, yes in saying that it becomes glaringly obvious about sustain on CP, but I can make funky, troll builds, or just a variety of different builds for different classes, some builds being viable on all classes even with some work and it's fun, which you know this being a game is how I like to spend my time.

When I am on noCP however I just found myself optimising my builds to the T because it's just not fun to play otherwise and even then some classes have more freedom than others, Since a Mag DK has to spend like 2/3 of the item slots on sustain orientated gear sets, whilst on my Templar I have more inherit resource management, but on flip side (Besides PL) I have noodle dmg. I come on Stam sorc I have lots of freedom because my resource management is covered by 2 GCD and my mobility and survivability is pretty decent, or I come on NB have incredibly high burst dmg, but dog shite healing on noCP.

Not saying every class should be the same, as they shouldn't, each class playing differently and requiring different play styles is a good thing, but the problem is PvP is pre dominated by over performing abilities and Item sets. So when your class can compensate for one or the other to further emphasise the above it becomes clear as daylight what's the go to class to log on for a patch to have fun and CP kinda in its entirely unbalanced way xD equals it out, but then it just tailors PvP to burst metas and anti burst meta (HA, which the increase change to Heavy attack return will probs mean HA will stay king) so neither is perfect by any means, but I personally prefer the latter for now in Cyro.

Also as people have mentioned already Proc sets and poisons define noCP PvP atm, but they are manageable, but with all the other changes I don't think the minute change to cost poisons is enough, especially since you just made a set to increase their potency.

Overall in summary RIP MagDK for another patch Maybe next patch @Anne_Firehawk

And RIP queue times for CP camp on EU