Congratulations to all the new Grand Overlords

WRX

Wing wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

yup it was REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY hard to get ap back in the day, must have been rough, sure glad I missed it / sarcasm

Even with vamp bug and month 1 gameplay, atleast neighbor was fighting players

zyk

WRX wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

yup it was REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY hard to get ap back in the day, must have been rough, sure glad I missed it / sarcasm

Even with vamp bug and month 1 gameplay, atleast neighbor was fighting players

One of the first GOs used to sit in suicide resources with a macro to avoid disconnect. Some of the outraged people in this thread did not seem to think less of him.

Others didn't mind it when they boosted AP because it was a sacrifice they had to make to ensure a player they did not like could not be emp.

This game already had almost no integrity -- especially at the top.

Derra

zyk wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

yup it was REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY hard to get ap back in the day, must have been rough, sure glad I missed it / sarcasm

Even with vamp bug and month 1 gameplay, atleast neighbor was fighting players

One of the first GOs used to sit in suicide resources with a macro to avoid disconnect. Some of the outraged people in this thread did not seem to think less of him.

Others didn't mind it when they boosted AP because it was a sacrifice they had to make to ensure a player they did not like could not be emp.

This game already had almost no integrity -- especially at the top.

Always the best reasoning.

If you do something "wrong" point the finger towards everyone else who also did.

But you know what? In terms ob abusing shady game mechanics i´m in a comfortable position to throw the fist stone - and if i get the chance i´ll gladly do it. A big one.

zyk

Derra wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

One of the first GOs used to sit in suicide resources with a macro to avoid disconnect. Some of the outraged people in this thread did not seem to think less of him.

Others didn't mind it when they boosted AP because it was a sacrifice they had to make to ensure a player they did not like could not be emp.

This game already had almost no integrity -- especially at the top.

Always the best reasoning.

If you do something "wrong" point the finger towards everyone else who also did.

But you know what? In terms ob abusing shady game mechanics i´m in a comfortable position to throw the fist stone - and if i get the chance i´ll gladly do it. A big one.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm calling some in this thread hypocrites. I have never boosted and never will. AR is so important to me, I barely played my main for almost a year.

BuggeX

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Magic_Longsword wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

would anyone be happy if zos just Hand Outs all Veteran pve Content titels/motify/gear for free?

as they just did with the whole pvp Content.

im sure all the trophys will look awesome in my hous from all the vtrails, i prolly will never have

Pay for a group to carry you, and you will. Same difference.

what about mealstorm? well i have the titel and gear from it, what about others?

Well you can pay for a friend to do the run for you on your account. Got quite a few pvp friends who did it that way (though all of this is hearsay, obviously). Pm me for more hypothetical details

Otherwise, if you're only interested in weapons, prior to this patch you could skip rooms 3 to 9, which many people crying now about the AP farming did. Now though, same solution applies. Pay someone or ask a friend nicely to run it for you. Who knows, you might even get into the weeklies.

Kinda makes you wonder how many weekly runs were done by the same person. Huehuehuehue

i think its a differeence to exploit for a bound weapon that doesnt affect the market or to ruin a whole market.
also i know ppls who run it 200 times and still dont have a weapon they need

And I know people who opened 1k spinner boxes without getting a sharpened sword. Same difference.

And I wasn't talking about the effect on the market. I was talking about the same idea of getting something others have worked hard for in an easy and morally cheap way.

they could just buy the spinner. no Need to exploit 10mil ap for it

With what money. You said it yourself, pvp players make money by selling motifs and overland boxes.

yea, and that Option just died

Well exactly, and as I said, that's a thing you can rightfully cry about. But what I don't understand is why people that previously completely disregarded, nay participated in some game-breaking bugs and exploits like vMSA, TBS, Hist, Imperial Physique, Salvation etc. now QQ regarding the AP farm.

that are all bound on pickup ups, doesnt destroy a marked, achivments and titles are worthless. yea to Show the big *** and thats it. you cant compare combat exploits with farm exploits.

frozywozy

Wing wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

yup it was REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY hard to get ap back in the day, must have been rough, sure glad I missed it / sarcasm

RIP ground oils 5:16

Wing

frozywozy wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

yup it was REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY hard to get ap back in the day, must have been rough, sure glad I missed it / sarcasm

RIP ground oils 5:16

that and cheap and effective bash spam, for that time when it was the best dps, and annoyingly funny.

smack, smack, smack, smack

would you quit and fight me!

smack, smack, smack, smack

stop it!

smack, smack, smack, smack

use a skill!

*casts ult* smack, smack, smack, smack

BuggeX

Wing wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

yup it was REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY hard to get ap back in the day, must have been rough, sure glad I missed it / sarcasm

RIP ground oils 5:16

that and cheap and effective bash spam, for that time when it was the best dps, and annoyingly funny.

smack, smack, smack, smack

would you quit and fight me!

smack, smack, smack, smack

stop it!

smack, smack, smack, smack

use a skill!

*casts ult* smack, smack, smack, smack

so many bash to kill someone? there is somehting wrong

Wing

anyone else remember @Xsorus bash o matic 9000?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzKJi_aCBg

you know this game just goes through seasons of op flavor of the month XD

my point is, there has ALWAYS been some form of cheese to "exploit" for mass AP, and no form of cheese is any less or more cheezy then the other. plus AP does not matter anyway so yeah.

Valorin

What's so bad about everybody being Grand Overlord?
Is this an E-Peen thing? It's super special or something?

NightbladeMechanics

How is this argument still going?

Up until now, AP and PvP ranks took a certain amount of effort to get. The titles may not impact gameplay, but they're still a reward for time and effort, just like every other achievement in the game.

With objective flipping and farming, these things are being acquired with less effort than before. Next to none for people afking.

Players who value the time and effort spent to acquire AP and PvP ranks will see this as unfair. People who don't value them won't.

/thread

Now can I have my hard mode vMoL carry and Master Angler title while I go eat dinner? That'd be great, thanks.

Tavore1138

The real problem with this situation is that this is not a bug nor is it an exploit in the traditional sense - this is game mechanic that ZOS changed for Homestead and then doubled for an event - some people have been flipping these things for 6k AP since that patch landed so it's hardly a shock that people are doing it for 12k AP now.

For ZOS to punish people doing this would call into question every form of AP trading ever done from friends killing friends on other alliances, people switching alliances to steal scrolls and all the other less than honorable activities that have been allowed as part of the rough and tumble of the PvP game.

The real requirement here is that ZOS need to take a long hard look at this and address the number of AP for a keep capture in future.

100 AP was always too low to encourage playing for the campaign.

6000 AP is clearly too high.

Lets hope we see this addressed. Personally I'd suggest making ti around 1k - still 10 times what it was but also not enough to make flipping it more profitable than actually playing PvP.

BuggeX

Wing wrote: »

anyone else remember @Xsorus bash o matic 9000?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzKJi_aCBg

you know this game just goes through seasons of op flavor of the month XD

my point is, there has ALWAYS been some form of cheese to "exploit" for mass AP, and no form of cheese is any less or more cheezy then the other. plus AP does not matter anyway so yeah.

now i miss the hold tab targeting function...

RebornV3x

Almost all grand overlords in the game have taken advantage of broken/op sets and skills, or account shared and other questionable actions but somehow ap farming at a keep is worse lol the hypocrisy on these forums is funny.

AbraXuSeXile

RebornV3x wrote: »

Almost all grand overlords in the game have taken advantage of broken/op sets and skills, or account shared and other questionable actions but somehow ap farming at a keep is worse lol the hypocrisy on these forums is funny.

Are you serious...

Xsorus

Wing wrote: »

anyone else remember @Xsorus bash o matic 9000?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzKJi_aCBg

you know this game just goes through seasons of op flavor of the month XD

my point is, there has ALWAYS been some form of cheese to "exploit" for mass AP, and no form of cheese is any less or more cheezy then the other. plus AP does not matter anyway so yeah.

lol...

Whats sad is I didn't even weave when doing that..

Just straight up 4 shot you with Bash.

I remember when I figured it out..I was like "Holy *** look at this damage" Then i was like "hmm Bash Damage Enchants"

Alcast

Player 1: Hey, lets go do some pvp!
Player 2: I am in Haderus @bleakers join me
Player 1: Ye but I want some real pvp where we fight people
Player 2: sorry no can do, need that juicy AP!
Player 1: Ye but who cares, lets get us some good fights in trueflame!
Player 2: Nah sorry man, need that special legate dye!
Player 1: /sadface ok i go fish

ok.....I guess?

Well at least the stress test was a success on EUPC

Erondil

RebornV3x wrote: »

Almost all grand overlords in the game have taken advantage of broken/op sets and skills, or account shared and other questionable actions but somehow ap farming at a keep is worse lol the hypocrisy on these forums is funny.

First off thats straight out false. Second, even if it was, for the first grand overlords (before TG) it took them 150 days+ /played, people can now literally get it in 160 hours. Explain me how this is comparable to the use of an op set.

frozywozy

Tavore1138 wrote: »

The real problem with this situation is that this is not a bug nor is it an exploit in the traditional sense - this is game mechanic that ZOS changed for Homestead and then doubled for an event - some people have been flipping these things for 6k AP since that patch landed so it's hardly a shock that people are doing it for 12k AP now.

For ZOS to punish people doing this would call into question every form of AP trading ever done from friends killing friends on other alliances, people switching alliances to steal scrolls and all the other less than honorable activities that have been allowed as part of the rough and tumble of the PvP game.

The real requirement here is that ZOS need to take a long hard look at this and address the number of AP for a keep capture in future.

100 AP was always too low to encourage playing for the campaign.

6000 AP is clearly too high.

Lets hope we see this addressed. Personally I'd suggest making ti around 1k - still 10 times what it was but also not enough to make flipping it more profitable than actually playing PvP.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/326645/suggestion-to-address-the-actual-problem-of-objectives-trading-in-cyrodiil

Lore_lai

Alcast wrote: »

Player 1: Hey, lets go do some pvp!
Player 2: I am in Haderus @bleakers join me
Player 1: Ye but I want some real pvp where we fight people
Player 2: sorry no can do, need that juicy AP!
Player 1: Ye but who cares, lets get us some good fights in trueflame!
Player 2: Nah sorry man, need that special legate dye!
Player 1: /sadface ok i go fish

ok.....I guess?

Well at least the stress test was a success on EUPC

If you're in a pvp guild who only wants to do AFK AP farming that is boring AF, then you're in the wrong pvp guild.

Zinaroth

Lore_lai wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Player 1: Hey, lets go do some pvp!
Player 2: I am in Haderus @bleakers join me
Player 1: Ye but I want some real pvp where we fight people
Player 2: sorry no can do, need that juicy AP!
Player 1: Ye but who cares, lets get us some good fights in trueflame!
Player 2: Nah sorry man, need that special legate dye!
Player 1: /sadface ok i go fish

ok.....I guess?

Well at least the stress test was a success on EUPC

If you're in a pvp guild who only wants to do AFK AP farming that is boring AF, then you're in the wrong pvp guild.

Every single PvP guild had people participating in the AP farming over the course of this week at some point or the other... Every... Single... One... No exceptions.

I am fully expecting a lot of PvPers to be guildless during the next week; otherwise all the people complaning here on forums have just been blowing off steam with hollow words when they say they want nothing to do with people participating (eventhough they themselves sat around and leeched AP while claiming they were trying to stop the farm but let's not delve further into that either).

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y...

mtwiggz

How does double AP make anyone that got GO this week easier that it was for anyone else? It's one less week of grinding, that's all. It's not as if the AP was handed to them.

There was no outpost/keep flipping going on in PC NA. Those players that gained those ranks would have by the end of next week if they played as hard and as often as they did this week.

Honestly there should be move events like this one in Cyrodiil. The place has grown stale. At least this week there was some excitement. The only real downside was the influx of zergs and the ridiculous queues. Yet those zerg wipes were very juicy.

As for those "super easy kills" you speak of, sure, people are more squishy without CP, yet everyone does a whole hell of a lot less damage. It equals out.

AbraXuSeXile

Yeah ive seen people from every guild farming it, some even went after their guild raid tried wipe it.

My favourite ones are them who say they go to ruin it and pvp but in reality theyve sat in the outpost many hours and killed a few afk players.

Blud

PvP is more fun now than it's been since the game launched. I don't even care about AP, but I will take it to get those perfect monster pieces with the right trait. The only title I care about is Master Angler and I just don't have time for that.

Grumble_and_Grunt

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Yeah ive seen people from every guild farming it, some even went after their guild raid tried wipe it.

My favourite ones are them who say they go to ruin it and pvp but in reality theyve sat in the outpost many hours and killed a few afk players.

Sounds like Exile

frozywozy

mtwiggz wrote: »

How does double AP make anyone that got GO this week easier that it was for anyone else? It's one less week of grinding, that's all. It's not as if the AP was handed to them.

There was no outpost/keep flipping going on in PC NA. Those players that gained those ranks would have by the end of next week if they played as hard and as often as they did this week.

Honestly there should be move events like this one in Cyrodiil. The place has grown stale. At least this week there was some excitement. The only real downside was the influx of zergs and the ridiculous queues. Yet those zerg wipes were very juicy.

As for those "super easy kills" you speak of, sure, people are more squishy without CP, yet everyone does a whole hell of a lot less damage. It equals out.