Congratulations to all the new Grand Overlords

Satiar

Ah great you guys pre-prime time emped? On first day of no-CP? So much for a leisurely evening

IcyDeadPeople

Talcyndl wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

I don't think this will really make much difference in the long run.

Although whatever Golden Vendor items the RNG Gods choose next weekend will probably be selling for cheaper than normal.

Nice, so I can finally get a good bargain on maw of the infernal, gold skooma smuggler ring or frost staff of burning spellweave?

frozywozy

Satiar wrote: »

Ah great you guys pre-prime time emped? On first day of no-CP? So much for a leisurely evening

Emp happened during mid afternoon. Populations were all max pop. No cheesing.

Rohamad_Ali

People have been feeding players AP , exploiting and some as far as CE use since the launch of the game . How is one double AP week going to smear titles anymore then the entire lifetime of the game ?

frozywozy

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

People have been feeding players AP , exploiting and some as far as CE use since the launch of the game . How is one double AP week going to smear titles anymore then the entire lifetime of the game ?

I already answered this question several times through all my replies in this post. I though better of yourself @Rohamad_Ali than simply posting in a thread skipping all the other posts.

maxjapank

I don't mind earning double AP or more people earning Grand Overlord faster. To be honest, since I switched factions midway, I'd prob already be one if achievements were shared across all toons. But I do mind people cheesing the system by flipping flags without fighting. I mind anyone exploiting something. And I put equal blame on ZOS and the players involved. Both are at fault.

Satiar

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ah great you guys pre-prime time emped? On first day of no-CP? So much for a leisurely evening

Emp happened during mid afternoon. Populations were all max pop. No cheesing.

For some one who always goes on about competitive play, you have an extremely flexible definition of prime time.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

So many people only like PvP if they can have something others cannot. More CP, more titles. PvP should be fun for PvP's sake. I would rather have a working lag free game than any type of progression and I've been playing since launch.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This so hard. Progression is secondary to just playing PvP itself.

Rohamad_Ali

frozywozy wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

People have been feeding players AP , exploiting and some as far as CE use since the launch of the game . How is one double AP week going to smear titles anymore then the entire lifetime of the game ?

I already answered this question several times through all my replies in this post. I though better of yourself @Rohamad_Ali than simply posting in a thread skipping all the other posts.

Apologies for not reading every post , I am in the rain but to the point . With titles , people will know who has earned and who has not earned them . At least Wheeler is trying something to improve performance and get the people he needs to make a successful test . If this does lead to a better Cyrodiil and the only casualties were a few ranks boosted , then that is a small price to enjoy the game in the future wouldn't you think ?

frozywozy

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ah great you guys pre-prime time emped? On first day of no-CP? So much for a leisurely evening

Emp happened during mid afternoon. Populations were all max pop. No cheesing.

For some one who always goes on about competitive play, you have an extremely flexible definition of prime time.

? I never said that emp happened at primetime. I think you need to read slower.

frozywozy

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

So many people only like PvP if they can have something others cannot. More CP, more titles. PvP should be fun for PvP's sake. I would rather have a working lag free game than any type of progression and I've been playing since launch.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

People have been feeding players AP , exploiting and some as far as CE use since the launch of the game . How is one double AP week going to smear titles anymore then the entire lifetime of the game ?

I already answered this question several times through all my replies in this post. I though better of yourself @Rohamad_Ali than simply posting in a thread skipping all the other posts.

Apologies for not reading every post , I am in the rain but to the point . With titles , people will know who has earned and who has not earned them . At least Wheeler is trying something to improve performance and get the people he needs to make a successful test . If this does lead to a better Cyrodiil and the only casualties were a few ranks boosted , then that is a small price to enjoy the game in the future wouldn't you think ?

The thing is, like I said in multiple posts, they could have encouraged people to play in the campaign by doubling the AP gains for killing and healing players only. Doubling AP for flipping objectives only promote abusing and exploiting.

Etaniel

frozywozy wrote: »

During the last ESO Live stream, I remember Brian starting up the point saying : "We are going to double the AP gain for killing and healing players.." then he made a short pause, I told myself, nice. He made the right move. Then he kept going ".. and we are also doubling the AP gain for capturing keeps, outposts and ressources. I facepalmed and knew he just ruined endgame PVP.

My group have been running since the servers came back up. Made around 750k APs in few hours. We just got emperor. This is going to get even worse. Everyone are and will be earning easy PVP ranks, some will even be Grand Overlord by the end of the week, ruining the efforts of everyone who got GO already.

People are not even trying to defend objectives anymore. They wait until it flips to push the flags and flip it back to get maximum AP.

That was a big mistake imo. RIP endgame PVP.

Welcome to 2 weeks ago?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Cinbri wrote: »

Dro-m'athra Destroyer already means nothing thanks to bug, now GO will mean nothing too coz "roleplaying". At least Master Angler will always be most OP title.

I will now spend all of my time figuring out a fishing bug so I can steal the value of that achievement as well. And then I will sell my bug so that everyone can be special and everyone can have Master angler.

MrSinister213

RIP end game PvP?

Sounds like OP is nothing more than a PVE title chaser. End game PvP for me is just that, the Player vs. Player.

frozywozy

MrSinister213 wrote: »

RIP end game PvP?

Sounds like OP is nothing more than a PVE title chaser. End game PvP for me is just that, the Player vs. Player.

Sounds like your logic is primary grade school. Please come again.

code65536

So... people will do in one week of testing what they would've done in two? OMG, a free week's worth of AP! LOL.

timidobserver

On the bright side, this data should help them. Maybe is is the placebo affect and I am just imagining it, but my ping is 100% better without CP.

Yuke

frozywozy wrote: »

You haven't answered my question though. What is your own definition of endgame PVP?

I didnt because its hard to answer that question i guess.

If i tell people we play for good fights, they will tell me that they consider those fights where they blob around in keeps/outposts as good fights too.

If i tell them furthermore that after those fights i need the feeling that we have won because me and my group members used the right skills at the right time on a target we managed to identify as important while being outnumbered (all the time -> difference to keep attack/defense where much more people are in the area but spread out over a huge area) without sitting in 4-6 stacked healing spring fields on top of the safety provided by AoE cap mitigation they will call me an elitist ...

So yeah, guess we wont find the answer to that question...

frozywozy

code65536 wrote: »

So... people will do in one week of testing what they would've done in two? OMG, a free week's worth of AP! LOL.

Since you havent read any post and went straight into posting, let me counter your biased reasoning for the 4th time. It is not only about what you could have achieved in 2weeks. It is fighting unexperienced players dealing with no CPs and Homestead patch increase value of ressources to 1500, keeps and outposts to 6000, now worth 3600 and 14.5k with ap bonus.

Anazasi

ROFL. Surfing the ZERG should be an achievement of to which you would have received. This is coming from a player who says I don't run in groups of more than 16 and we push the map to split up other stacked factions.

I've sir would like to award you the Hipocar for all the double cheeking you do on a permanent basis.

Aside from EP massed a zerg larger today than I have seen DC do in a few months congratulations you are making a comeback as the zergiest faction on the map.......

Minno

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

So many people only like PvP if they can have something others cannot. More CP, more titles. PvP should be fun for PvP's sake. I would rather have a working lag free game than any type of progression and I've been playing since launch.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This so hard. Progression is secondary to just playing PvP itself.

Though part of me wishes there was a weekly score that was calculated based on deaths/killing blows/objectives captured. It could tank you a flat value and you can see how you stand in PvP, instead of using the AP zerg board to see how you are farming a useless currency.

Derra

Frozy - if it makes you feel any better.

On EU people have been flipping outposts for nights and days since the change was introduced. Effectively this week saves them just the next week of outpostflipping.

Hopefully we don´t see them again in pvp afterwards - because atleast it will be pointless for them.

I play for my rank. It´s just a personal motivation though. I would have barely reached rank 50 by now (if i had not switched realm) with almost never joining a grp of more than 6 players (after the first 6 months).
It´s still a personal achievement and always will be for people that know they can be proud in the way they´ve earned their ap.

Lexxypwns

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ah great you guys pre-prime time emped? On first day of no-CP? So much for a leisurely evening

Emp happened during mid afternoon. Populations were all max pop. No cheesing.

For some one who always goes on about competitive play, you have an extremely flexible definition of prime time.

Anyone with any interest in actual competitive play needs a different game than eso

frozywozy

Yuke wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

You haven't answered my question though. What is your own definition of endgame PVP?

I didnt because its hard to answer that question i guess.

If i tell people we play for good fights, they will tell me that they consider those fights where they blob around in keeps/outposts as good fights too.

If i tell them furthermore that after those fights i need the feeling that we have won because me and my group members used the right skills at the right time on a target we managed to identify as important while being outnumbered (all the time -> difference to keep attack/defense where much more people are in the area but spread out over a huge area) without sitting in 4-6 stacked healing spring fields on top of the safety provided by AoE cap mitigation they will call me an elitist ...

So yeah, guess we wont find the answer to that question...

It is hard to answer because there is no real answer. Like I said in my first post, until we get battlegrounds, arenas, with some kind of ranking and gear to buy with tokens that require ranking, Endgame PVP for me is getting Grand Overlord.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Minno wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

So many people only like PvP if they can have something others cannot. More CP, more titles. PvP should be fun for PvP's sake. I would rather have a working lag free game than any type of progression and I've been playing since launch.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This so hard. Progression is secondary to just playing PvP itself.

Though part of me wishes there was a weekly score that was calculated based on deaths/killing blows/objectives captured. It could tank you a flat value and you can see how you stand in PvP, instead of using the AP zerg board to see how you are farming a useless currency.

You mean a type of scoring that rewards based on different types of objectives? I could get behind that, though deaths/killing blows would have to be tweaked to avoid abuse for people who kill friends for AP.

You know would I would like to see? Alliance loyalty rewards/ranking system that are broken into different tiers and granted based on how many times you fought for your alliance. Longer you stick with your alliance, the better the reward you get at the end of the campaign-- or something akin to this concept. Would be another way to control alliance flip floppers. Without totally bringing back alliance locking to campaigns.

NedicWildling

You are overreacting to a change that will last a week, if someone was already close enough it doesn't matter. GO isn't a skill based achievement so acquiring it shouldn't be considered end game pvp. I can understand if you are frustrated with more people having it since you have one GO and another one soon to be i think? But it really is irrelevant at this point. if there was a bigger reward or more meaningful reward than just a scroll and some stars maybe.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

On the bright side nobody should be jumping on sieges when you drop 2 plus because they will have AP to purchase. No excuses.

Minno

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

So many people only like PvP if they can have something others cannot. More CP, more titles. PvP should be fun for PvP's sake. I would rather have a working lag free game than any type of progression and I've been playing since launch.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This so hard. Progression is secondary to just playing PvP itself.

Though part of me wishes there was a weekly score that was calculated based on deaths/killing blows/objectives captured. It could tank you a flat value and you can see how you stand in PvP, instead of using the AP zerg board to see how you are farming a useless currency.

You mean a type of scoring that rewards based on different types of objectives? I could get behind that, though deaths/killing blows would have to be tweaked to avoid abuse for people who kill friends for AP.

You know would I would like to see? Alliance loyalty rewards/ranking system that are broken into different tiers and granted based on how many times you fought for your alliance. Longer you stick with your alliance, the better the reward you get at the end of the campaign-- or something akin to this concept. Would be another way to control alliance flip floppers. Without totally killing alliance locking campaigns.

I came up with my example quickly. But I think we can discuss a way to provide a universal ranking system that won't be easily abused.

Reason I said a ratio of all three, was to make so that it punished you for only flipping resources without attacking another player. If you did this consistently, it could sense that a player was "farming" AP and ignoring pvp. So they would be placed at bottom of the totem pole for ranking. Ideally it won't punish your AP gains, you'd still play for map control (and we can have another stat showing how many objectives were taken).

If that same player attacked a resource, and meet an enemy, you could get a better score because either one of you will be dying. And because it was near a "rated" objective, you can promote pvp map play or add objectives to promote a healthy pvp experience.

For group play styles, we can look at the time it takes to take an objective from a similar size or outnumbered situation. I'm not sure how this can be done, but the game could record your kills/deaths and if you succeeded in taking the keep. This can go into a different ranking table and you can see "Pact Militia Raid #100 - each players stats, and the gross average score". And the team that gets the actual objective win could get more points. This way it rewards both teams for duking it out, but bragging rights goes to the winning side. This might be better for battlegrounds though.

Xeniph

I'm not sure people even look at pvp ranks anymore.

At least it's not as bad as what they did to emp, worked my behind off to get those passives and then they make the tree useless.

These days I don't even care/look at pvp rank. Heck people are lucky if I even bother to see their name. It's all about the alliance shields above the toon for me.

kevlarto_ESO

There will be a lot of people getting Grand Overlord kill achievement LOL

Well AP, EMP have all been exploited and cheated through so bad it has made pvp rank a joke for a long time, plus rank gives you nothing other than an epeen title and a skill point.

I know some players have earned it the legit way and gratz to you, at least you know you did it the right way and had a satisfying game experience.

just seems like zos is a fish out of water these days flopping all around not knowing which way to go, I just want fun and some signs of balance in pvp, I don't care about the titles, or even the AP that much all that will come if I am having fun and playing.