Suggestion to address the actual problem of objectives trading in Cyrodiil

frozywozy

When mister @ZOS_BrianWheeler explained how they would process with the new Double AP week including keeps, outposts and ressources, instead of stopping only at killing and healing players, I asked in Twitch chat to @ZOS_GinaBruno a few times "Are there any plans to counter the outpost trading that is going to occurs on less popular campaigns?" The question got ignored and I managed later on to ask one of my contacts who knows an important ZOS employee to ask that person the same question. He got told that there were no plans in place to counter such measure.

Here we are today.

What can we learn from this? As much as I agree with the first though of our PvP lead on testing Cyrodiil performances, I think he could have listened more to advices from active pvpers before increasing the AP gain for capturing objectives. Only doubling the AP for killing and healing players would have convinced people to PvP and engage each other, probably even more than including objective captures on top of that.

As a future reference, I suggest the following system to make it work without any problem. First of all, reduce the overall base AP gain for capturing objectives from the Homestead patch from 1500 to 1000 for ressources, 6000 to 4000 for outposts and 6000 for keeps.

Then, make the amount of AP given to players linked with the objective level (1-5). 1 being the least amount and 5 being the most. Finally, make the amount of AP given scale with the amount of players in the area when the objective flips.

For example :

• If one player flips a ressource level 5, that person gets 1000 APs.
• If 10 players flip a ressource level 5, they all get 100 APs.
• If 4 players capture an outpost level 5, they all get 1000 APs.
• If 8 players capture an outpost level 5, they all get 500 APs.

• If one player flips a ressource level 1, that person gets 200 APs.
• If 10 players flip a ressource level 1, they all get 20 APs.
• If 4 players capture an outpost level 1, they all get 200 APs.
• If 8 players capture an outpost level 1, they all get 100 APs.

Then you add the APs related to the amount of deaths in the area while the objective was contested.

This system discourages zerging, encourages players to hit objectives less contested and stops exploiting.

Derra

Just add a timer that does not let you get AP from the same resource or keep withint 10 minutes. Fixed.

Maybe keep 12k for taking a keep in that case even.

usmcjdking

frozywozy wrote: »

This system discourages zerging, encourages players to hit objectives less contested and stops exploiting.

This is a wonderfully baseless statement.

NightbladeMechanics

^ Yep.

And Derra with the /thread. Rip

frozywozy

usmcjdking wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

This system discourages zerging, encourages players to hit objectives less contested and stops exploiting.

This is a wonderfully baseless statement.

Discourages zerging

Balancing the O ticks with D ticks encourage people to defend objectives just like we did before instead of waiting for the enemy to flip it to push inside. It also encourages people to get away from a battle if they judge there is enough players of their faction already engaging. Right now, everyone zerg a keep until it flips because nobody wanna miss the big O tick. Before, I used to unstack my group from a large assault. Now I just stay until the end.

Encourages players to hit different objectives

Making the AP rewards for capturing objectives scale off the actually objective's level encourage people to hit objectives level 5, so in other words, objectives less contested. In the meantime, people will be spreading out all over the map.

Stops exploiting

People actually trading outposts on Haderus EU would get totally countered by this system because first of all, the more players in the area, the less APs they would get. And on top of that, they would get only the APs for an objective level 1 which is almost pointless.

Hope you enjoyed your lesson of logic 101 from primary school.

AJ_1988

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

@MyNameIsElias We are aware of that behavior and will be adjusting values of Outposts, Resources and Keeps after the event.

He said that in his post here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323521/cyrodiil-performance-test-and-double-ap-event/p1

frozywozy

AJ_1988 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

@MyNameIsElias We are aware of that behavior and will be adjusting values of Outposts, Resources and Keeps after the event.

He said that in his post here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323521/cyrodiil-performance-test-and-double-ap-event/p1

Thank you! Glad they are taking action.

kyle.wilson

They already have a system that reduces AP from kills. Maybe they should do the same thing with all AP gains.
If the resource/keep doesn't flip after a certain period of time the AP goes back to normal. That would discourage flipping more than reducing AP by group size.

Ghettokid

I like fighting at the bridge. Just saying. Goodbye.

Satiar

Frozn, with all your high-horse rhetoric about not stacking, I find it surprising you abandon these values for a handful of AP you don't even need.

montiferus

Stop zerging? I've watched one of your videos. You were running in a 17 man raid. How many need to be in a group before you are classified as a "zerg"?

Satiar

montiferus wrote: »

Stop zerging? I've watched one of your videos. You were running in a 17 man raid. How many need to be in a group before you are classified as a "zerg"?

17? If he'd only had one less we could have been spared all that lag. So rude.

Turelus

At this point it doesn't matter, the damage has been done.

They should have acted faster and slapped a band-aid patch onto before the double AP event, even if it was only changing the values of Outpost and leaving everything else.

I want to love ZOS and I do think they're good people, but they make some really stupid decisions sometimes and this entire AP farming fiasco was one of them.

Joy_Division

Derra wrote: »

Just add a timer that does not let you get AP from the same resource or keep withint 10 minutes. Fixed.

Maybe keep 12k for taking a keep in that case even.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

If you PvDoor a keep you get 6K AP.

If legitimately "back-cap" a keep - that is immediately capture it just after another faction expends their resources in the initial take - something that actually has strategy and isn't easy to pull off - you get 0.

Grumble_and_Grunt

Joy_Division wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Just add a timer that does not let you get AP from the same resource or keep withint 10 minutes. Fixed.

Maybe keep 12k for taking a keep in that case even.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

If you PvDoor a keep you get 6K AP.

If legitimately "back-cap" a keep - that is immediately capture it just after another faction expends their resources in the initial take - something that actually has strategy and isn't easy to pull off - you get 0.

Then put a separate CD for different alliances?