ZOS is trying to silent forum members regarding rumored return of Cheaters

altemriel

mommadani907 wrote: »

See the Dev tracker, its the top of the list.

hopefully it is listed by priority and not by number of @zos tags or by number of replies or views

andryuhav

Alcast wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

that is their answers, so they unlifted all bans otherwise they would say that they permabanned those. But seems they did not

Man, that screenshot seems awfully reasonable.

The problem is, they are just closing up all the threads instead of TELLING us how they dealt with it. Sounds fishy? Ofc bc they prolly unbanned most of them.

Sure they did. One can not simply understand the logic behind this behavior, as well as other painfull moments hapeping to ESO universe. I'd call out for some mass media to create a proper scandal, that might give them a kick in the right place.

Tyrion87

How do you know when ZOS employees woke up?






When you see all cheat-related threads on the forum getting locked...

altemriel

andryuhav wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

that is their answers, so they unlifted all bans otherwise they would say that they permabanned those. But seems they did not

Man, that screenshot seems awfully reasonable.

The problem is, they are just closing up all the threads instead of TELLING us how they dealt with it. Sounds fishy? Ofc bc they prolly unbanned most of them.

Sure they did. One can not simply understand the logic behind this behavior, as well as other painfull moments hapeping to ESO universe. I'd call out for some mass media to create a proper scandal, that might give them a kick in the right place.

yes and "someone who hacked the game requires a second chance", well done ZOS
LIKE SERIOUSLY WTH????

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

Cherryblossom

Thornen wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, cheater's score is still on vMA leaderboards, and they are free to ruin pvp...
This is the first game I know of that values cheaters above honest players. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. And this "something" is not silencing non-cheating players. This is borderline rude.

@KoshkaMurka They said in the next few weeks they will wipe those. I really wish announcements wouldn't get buried.

It's already been a few weeks since the 'outing' occurred I really think Zos believes their smoke and mirror trick will actually work.

It will, ZOS believe ignoring a problem solves it!

They have so far ignored the bugs and lag successfully, yeah they have lost the majority of people from launch, but this doesn't seem to of bothered them.

They rightly believe that this will blow over, people it really bothers with leave or just shut up. Sad but true.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Nifty2g wrote: »

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

This simply can't continue. Again contacting as many social platforms as possible #ESObroken

Sound like you would rather make ESO die with the really bad publicity that can come from this rather than try and get them to start properly banning. At least wait to hear what they have to say

I mean it serves them right, but lets hope it doesnt go down that road

My Khajiiti brother is correct.
Things are nea good, locking forum topics for addressing the issues is far worse even.

Maybe the folks simply should all know...

If one is right, he can't be wrong!

So tell the world.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

DAMMIT, reply button missing AGAIN...

Think that this is what will kill off ESO, btw?
No, it's the doings of ZoS that is.
More and more folks become upset with everything.

And some simply will speak.

One cannot stop the unstoppable.

Maybe they'll lock access for a few posters for a while, sure, but others then will speak up.

So, kill the forums entirely would be the only way to actually silence the speakers...
But there's other media.
So, yeah, what now? heh

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, cheater's score is still on vMA leaderboards, and they are free to ruin pvp...
This is the first game I know of that values cheaters above honest players. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. And this "something" is not silencing non-cheating players. This is borderline rude.

@KoshkaMurka They said in the next few weeks they will wipe those. I really wish announcements wouldn't get buried.

It's already been a few weeks since the 'outing' occurred I really think Zos believes their smoke and mirror trick will actually work.

It will, ZOS believe ignoring a problem solves it!

They have so far ignored the bugs and lag successfully, yeah they have lost the majority of people from launch, but this doesn't seem to of bothered them.

They rightly believe that this will blow over, people it really bothers with leave or just shut up. Sad but true.

Oh, Jedi'ism...
Did not end well for them, did it..

HuawaSepp

If ESO were a PC only game we wouldn't have that disussion now.
Keep in mind that only the minority is frustrated about the cheaters (PC players - Casuals)
If we take Niftys thread thats (70k - people with changing IPs - Consoleros)

InvitationNotFound

As usual ZOS is extremely bad at communicating and doing anything against the cheaters.

e.g. Jessica wanted to provide a statement long time ago. her statement was in a totally different thread and didn't contain any news. After being asked for it she gave this answer, which wasn't helpful at all:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3039467/#Comment_3039467 (should be all linked from here on)

Furthermore, she had the idea of making a dedicated thread about cheaters. a week ago. i personally would have waited a bit longer for that thread... but anyway here's the statement:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3055574/#Comment_3055574

has anyone something new, except deleted posts and locked threads? no further statements provided?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Could be she got silenced as well, knowing ZoS.

"Nothing to see here, folks. Keep movin'."

Etchos

So instead of having a broken game the majority of the forum want an empty game. That seems like a sensible way forward (sarcasm).

Time is what is needed here. Its an issue.....they are aware. Putting topic after topic about it is not going to help. What exactly is the expectation here? That in a 24 hour period they can close the door to the hackers with a miracle patch. That's never going to happen. Look at the DLC's........months of development and always glitches etc.

So ZOS need to identify where the back door is. Find out how to close it. implement that close and identify what effect that has on game mechanics.......address that..... test. Go through approval processes and make the patch available. All in the 2 hours between topics. Seems like a realistic expectation (sarcasm)

Trying to get negative press on this will simply be counter productive. If that results in a mass gamer number drop then the revenue dries up. And sure you might think you are sticking it to ZOS but in reality all that will happen is that they will reduce staff levels and stop development of new content. They will still make money.......just that us playing the game will suffer more than now. If people didn't love this game then they wouldn't be getting so worked up about these issues. So with that in mind id urge people to consider the wider implications to the game in their desire to punish ZOS for there perceived wronging.

Everyone just needs to take a step back and think about what is important. At the end of the day this is just a game. But if it is so important to you that you need to take action then possibly consider this:

Instead of pointing a finger at ZOS and starting multiple hate threads demanding the impossible start a thread asking how this forum as a community can help them out getting to the bottom of the issue.

At the end of the day ZOS and the player base should be united against hackers. Having a ridiculous feud only results in the hackers winning.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

They will reap what they sow.
Things tend to come around, see...

InvitationNotFound

Etchos wrote: »

So instead of having a broken game the majority of the forum want an empty game. That seems like a sensible way forward (sarcasm).

Time is what is needed here. Its an issue.....they are aware. Putting topic after topic about it is not going to help. What exactly is the expectation here? That in a 24 hour period they can close the door to the hackers with a miracle patch. That's never going to happen. Look at the DLC's........months of development and always glitches etc.

So ZOS need to identify where the back door is. Find out how to close it. implement that close and identify what effect that has on game mechanics.......address that..... test. Go through approval processes and make the patch available. All in the 2 hours between topics. Seems like a realistic expectation (sarcasm)

Trying to get negative press on this will simply be counter productive. If that results in a mass gamer number drop then the revenue dries up. And sure you might think you are sticking it to ZOS but in reality all that will happen is that they will reduce staff levels and stop development of new content. They will still make money.......just that us playing the game will suffer more than now. If people didn't love this game then they wouldn't be getting so worked up about these issues. So with that in mind id urge people to consider the wider implications to the game in their desire to punish ZOS for there perceived wronging.

Everyone just needs to take a step back and think about what is important. At the end of the day this is just a game. But if it is so important to you that you need to take action then possibly consider this:

Instead of pointing a finger at ZOS and starting multiple hate threads demanding the impossible start a thread asking how this forum as a community can help them out getting to the bottom of the issue.

At the end of the day ZOS and the player base should be united against hackers. Having a ridiculous feud only results in the hackers winning.

you're pretty new to the game, aren't you? (e.g. since when do they test anything? or fix? or whatever?)

it's not a new issue. it's not that they should implement anything in 24h.

it's about how they communicate and handle the whole situation.

altemriel

Etchos wrote: »

So instead of having a broken game the majority of the forum want an empty game. That seems like a sensible way forward (sarcasm).

Time is what is needed here. Its an issue.....they are aware. Putting topic after topic about it is not going to help. What exactly is the expectation here? That in a 24 hour period they can close the door to the hackers with a miracle patch. That's never going to happen. Look at the DLC's........months of development and always glitches etc.

So ZOS need to identify where the back door is. Find out how to close it. implement that close and identify what effect that has on game mechanics.......address that..... test. Go through approval processes and make the patch available. All in the 2 hours between topics. Seems like a realistic expectation (sarcasm)

Trying to get negative press on this will simply be counter productive. If that results in a mass gamer number drop then the revenue dries up. And sure you might think you are sticking it to ZOS but in reality all that will happen is that they will reduce staff levels and stop development of new content. They will still make money.......just that us playing the game will suffer more than now. If people didn't love this game then they wouldn't be getting so worked up about these issues. So with that in mind id urge people to consider the wider implications to the game in their desire to punish ZOS for there perceived wronging.

Everyone just needs to take a step back and think about what is important. At the end of the day this is just a game. But if it is so important to you that you need to take action then possibly consider this:

Instead of pointing a finger at ZOS and starting multiple hate threads demanding the impossible start a thread asking how this forum as a community can help them out getting to the bottom of the issue.

At the end of the day ZOS and the player base should be united against hackers. Having a ridiculous feud only results in the hackers winning.

I agree with your point

Etchos

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Etchos wrote: »

So instead of having a broken game the majority of the forum want an empty game. That seems like a sensible way forward (sarcasm).

Time is what is needed here. Its an issue.....they are aware. Putting topic after topic about it is not going to help. What exactly is the expectation here? That in a 24 hour period they can close the door to the hackers with a miracle patch. That's never going to happen. Look at the DLC's........months of development and always glitches etc.

So ZOS need to identify where the back door is. Find out how to close it. implement that close and identify what effect that has on game mechanics.......address that..... test. Go through approval processes and make the patch available. All in the 2 hours between topics. Seems like a realistic expectation (sarcasm)

Trying to get negative press on this will simply be counter productive. If that results in a mass gamer number drop then the revenue dries up. And sure you might think you are sticking it to ZOS but in reality all that will happen is that they will reduce staff levels and stop development of new content. They will still make money.......just that us playing the game will suffer more than now. If people didn't love this game then they wouldn't be getting so worked up about these issues. So with that in mind id urge people to consider the wider implications to the game in their desire to punish ZOS for there perceived wronging.

Everyone just needs to take a step back and think about what is important. At the end of the day this is just a game. But if it is so important to you that you need to take action then possibly consider this:

Instead of pointing a finger at ZOS and starting multiple hate threads demanding the impossible start a thread asking how this forum as a community can help them out getting to the bottom of the issue.

At the end of the day ZOS and the player base should be united against hackers. Having a ridiculous feud only results in the hackers winning.

you're pretty new to the game, aren't you? (e.g. since when do they test anything? or fix? or whatever?)

it's not a new issue. it's not that they should implement anything in 24h.

it's about how they communicate and handle the whole situation.

Does a year count as new? to some I suppose it would.

They have asked for time to investigate the issue. That's pretty clear from screenshots in this thread and responses in the others. Asking for an update every hour as it seems to be the case when in reality we are looking at something that involves changing the core programming is a completely unrealistic.

Sure they could communicate better. "we anticipate issuing a response in 7 days......" or something. Doesn't change the fact that most of the responses on the forum in these threads are counterproductive, completely unrealistic in expectation and disproportionate.

Deep Breaths. People seem to be more worked up about this than I was when my car was stolen.

Turelus

Etchos wrote: »

So instead of having a broken game the majority of the forum want an empty game. That seems like a sensible way forward (sarcasm).

Time is what is needed here. Its an issue.....they are aware. Putting topic after topic about it is not going to help. What exactly is the expectation here? That in a 24 hour period they can close the door to the hackers with a miracle patch. That's never going to happen. Look at the DLC's........months of development and always glitches etc.

So ZOS need to identify where the back door is. Find out how to close it. implement that close and identify what effect that has on game mechanics.......address that..... test. Go through approval processes and make the patch available. All in the 2 hours between topics. Seems like a realistic expectation (sarcasm)

Trying to get negative press on this will simply be counter productive. If that results in a mass gamer number drop then the revenue dries up. And sure you might think you are sticking it to ZOS but in reality all that will happen is that they will reduce staff levels and stop development of new content. They will still make money.......just that us playing the game will suffer more than now. If people didn't love this game then they wouldn't be getting so worked up about these issues. So with that in mind id urge people to consider the wider implications to the game in their desire to punish ZOS for there perceived wronging.

Everyone just needs to take a step back and think about what is important. At the end of the day this is just a game. But if it is so important to you that you need to take action then possibly consider this:

Instead of pointing a finger at ZOS and starting multiple hate threads demanding the impossible start a thread asking how this forum as a community can help them out getting to the bottom of the issue.

At the end of the day ZOS and the player base should be united against hackers. Having a ridiculous feud only results in the hackers winning.

@Etchos normally I would agree with you as I hate the bashing of ZOS and the crying about issues in the game. However for this one it's pretty damaging to the game in many ways and we've also been waiting for ZOS on this issue for two years.

The current complaints about cheat engine and bans is new right now but the whole cheating/exploiting and lack of enforcement and communication goes all the way back to release. Enough is enough, it's time for a change. RIP Owen.

clayandaudrey_ESO

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

How many of you have actually gone through the proper channels and reported this, rather than just bitching on the forums?

Gone through the proper channels since beta about cheat engine and well....here we are.

Jaronking

Etchos wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Etchos wrote: »

So instead of having a broken game the majority of the forum want an empty game. That seems like a sensible way forward (sarcasm).

Time is what is needed here. Its an issue.....they are aware. Putting topic after topic about it is not going to help. What exactly is the expectation here? That in a 24 hour period they can close the door to the hackers with a miracle patch. That's never going to happen. Look at the DLC's........months of development and always glitches etc.

So ZOS need to identify where the back door is. Find out how to close it. implement that close and identify what effect that has on game mechanics.......address that..... test. Go through approval processes and make the patch available. All in the 2 hours between topics. Seems like a realistic expectation (sarcasm)

Trying to get negative press on this will simply be counter productive. If that results in a mass gamer number drop then the revenue dries up. And sure you might think you are sticking it to ZOS but in reality all that will happen is that they will reduce staff levels and stop development of new content. They will still make money.......just that us playing the game will suffer more than now. If people didn't love this game then they wouldn't be getting so worked up about these issues. So with that in mind id urge people to consider the wider implications to the game in their desire to punish ZOS for there perceived wronging.

Everyone just needs to take a step back and think about what is important. At the end of the day this is just a game. But if it is so important to you that you need to take action then possibly consider this:

Instead of pointing a finger at ZOS and starting multiple hate threads demanding the impossible start a thread asking how this forum as a community can help them out getting to the bottom of the issue.

At the end of the day ZOS and the player base should be united against hackers. Having a ridiculous feud only results in the hackers winning.

you're pretty new to the game, aren't you? (e.g. since when do they test anything? or fix? or whatever?)

it's not a new issue. it's not that they should implement anything in 24h.

it's about how they communicate and handle the whole situation.

Does a year count as new? to some I suppose it would.

They have asked for time to investigate the issue. That's pretty clear from screenshots in this thread and responses in the others. Asking for an update every hour as it seems to be the case when in reality we are looking at something that involves changing the core programming is a completely unrealistic.

Sure they could communicate better. "we anticipate issuing a response in 7 days......" or something. Doesn't change the fact that most of the responses on the forum in these threads are counterproductive, completely unrealistic in expectation and disproportionate.

Deep Breaths. People seem to be more worked up about this than I was when my car was stolen.

Actually the game been out for almost 3 years now.So its not close to new anymore.People are mad that they allowed known cheaters back in.Which is ridiculous to basically allow people to cheat and do nothing about it.Exploit all you want Guys ZOS will do nothing about it at all.If that the case I say we all use the Imperial city faction base exploit you won't get banned from the game and if you do they let you back in a few days.

Personally I am haply that @Khajiit_Ri is telling social media and gaming news sites about this I'll rather ZOS get the bad press and force to react and fix their game instead of hiding this.

SwaminoNowlino

For people QQing about the threads and saying how this is a PVP issue only, what about the folks who got bumped from the VMA leaderboards because of cheaters, and didn't get the gear they earned? What about the folks who slog through VMA, but their reasonable score is so far behind people who may be cheating that their chances of getting gear are cut by a sizable percentage? What about people like @Alcast and the rest of Hodor who spent days learning the mechanics to get the world's first clear on VMoL? Now some people can go in, give themselves 1mil Hp, 1mil, Magicka, and solo the dungeon. Everyone who wants to get leaderboard loot from trials runs now have to compete with people who may very well be cheating. None of that is PVP.

And for those saying, do you really want to kill the game with bad press, the answer is of course not. But what about the new players who were enticed by E3, they come into the game, get into Cyrodiil and see people flying around unkillable with god mode enabled. Is that something you think they want to stick around for? So many of the streamers who helped make this game popular are moving on, tired of this stuff. It's hard to be competitive when you can't trust anyone

ZOS has the right to mod their forums how they want. We may disagree but its indisputable. But folks are trying to get their attention to get this fixed. ZOS hasn't even officially announced the issue aside from deep within forum threads that are now locked. If they are going to keep locking threads and remain silent, then the only recourse for people who want this game to be better is to go to news sources and raise a flag. Hopefully that will be enough to get them to take it seriously, but if they don't clean it up before IGN drops an article linked to Matt's most recent statement about new dungeons or whatever, then that's on them.

kevlarto_ESO

Don't spend money in a game that allows cheaters to run rampant, that's the only message we can send to show our disappointment

Laggus

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That's not it, the most recent unbanning was of someone who had clear video evidence showing him hacking, and had admitted to hacking.

All that aside, the reason the forum is blowing up now is ZOS's hamfisted attempt at censorship:

ZOS_AlanG wrote:

But given the problems at the moment, we feel a break is in order. We are closing this thread to give the topic a chance to cool down. If related threads are made or bumped, they will be directed here and locked as well.

Quoting myself now: That was from the closing of the ONLY sanctioned discussion thread for the hacking issue. You read that right, ZOS is officially banning any discussion of the hacking issue until they deem it has "cooled down", under threat of unconditional locking.

Under ZOS's policy, you aren't even allowed to discuss whether you feel people's outrage over the issue is justified. Take a moment and let that sink in.

First rule of fight club!

It's like ZOS want this taken to third party forums. They may well regret this. We informed them of the problems via official channels. We then brought it to their official forums. We are now told, after very little communication from them, it's no longer to be discussed. I assume this means they will no longer be responding other than locking and closing threads. Who in charge thinks this was a good idea?

Etchos

So people seriously think that the bad press will spur ZOS into action and all will be well?

Sorry I just don't buy it. The kind of press that we are talking about is not the kind of press ZOS will recover from. If it does by some miracle spur ZOS to fix things then every google search will have those articles or whatever lying there for potential new players to see that and not buy the game. Because even if the issue gets fixed nobody is going to report that as emphatically as the problem was. nobody will care it was fixed........just that it was there in the first place.

That doesn't punish ZOS that punishes us as players. ZOS will simply reduce investment and support in the face of reduced numbers accelerating the death of the game. They will still make money. We just wont have DLC and fixes will take even longer

I like this game and don't want it to die. Please think about the wider consequences.

Cazzy

I just want to casually point out that IGN aren't great. Kotaku, Gamenesia, Polygon, PC Gamer and most importantly Games Radar.

Xylphan

Mureel wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

From a purely PvE perspective....

Anyone competing for top times in VMA cares.

Anyone competing for anything really. Or even just playing the game. Why bother grinding through all the quests, forging end game gear, and climbing to the top when you can just give yourself infinite health and stamina?

And before anyone asks, yes it is possible to do with the cheats being used. In fact, you could probably do a whole lot more than that based on the type of cheats being used.

But hey, why would anyone care about the integrity of a game, right?

SwaminoNowlino

@Cazzy true, but they are the one's who ZOS gave an interview to most recently.

@Etchos that is completely and totally in the hands of ZOS.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Cazzy wrote: »

I just want to casually point out that IGN aren't great. Kotaku, Gamenesia, Polygon, PC Gamer and most importantly Games Radar.

But are they fair, aren't they just an advertising paper?
I'm not familiar with them, so hence my question.

Cazzy

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

@Cazzy true, but they are the one's who ZOS gave an interview to most recently.

@Etchos that is completely and totally in the hands of ZOS.

Exactly. They may be inclined not to say anything.

Makkir

Makkir

im going to be POd if I cant log in tomorrow bc my favorite game pulls the plug

while dont you retaliate against the cheaters instead.