ZOS is trying to silent forum members regarding rumored return of Cheaters

Thornen

Whatzituyah wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, cheater's score is still on vMA leaderboards, and they are free to ruin pvp...
This is the first game I know of that values cheaters above honest players. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. And this "something" is not silencing non-cheating players. This is borderline rude.

@KoshkaMurka They said in the next few weeks they will wipe those. I really wish announcements wouldn't get buried.

It's already been a few weeks since the 'outing' occurred I really think Zos believes their smoke and mirror trick will actually work.

LadyNalcarya

Whatzituyah wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, cheater's score is still on vMA leaderboards, and they are free to ruin pvp...
This is the first game I know of that values cheaters above honest players. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. And this "something" is not silencing non-cheating players. This is borderline rude.

@KoshkaMurka They said in the next few weeks they will wipe those. I really wish announcements wouldn't get buried.

Well, at least something I suppose...
But if that player is still in game, he/she can screw the scores again >.<

HoloYoitsu

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Explain to me how, in your mind, unbanning individuals who had video evidence of their hacking the client translates into "they will be banned again when they cheat again"? Because it sure as hell doesn't translate like that in my mind or any of those hackers who are now openly bragging in /zone.

Man, I don't work for ZOS, I'm not a mod or a dev, I'm just saying there are bigger things to worry about. If you're mad at your video game, do something else for a while before you burst a vein.

*** will work itself out, it did before, it will again.

You didn't answer my question.

You stated you believe they will be banned again, I asked you why you believe that.

This has nothing to do with how important either of us thinks the issue is, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

ShedsHisTail

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Explain to me how, in your mind, unbanning individuals who had video evidence of their hacking the client translates into "they will be banned again when they cheat again"? Because it sure as hell doesn't translate like that in my mind or any of those hackers who are now openly bragging in /zone.

Man, I don't work for ZOS, I'm not a mod or a dev, I'm just saying there are bigger things to worry about. If you're mad at your video game, do something else for a while before you burst a vein.

*** will work itself out, it did before, it will again.

You didn't answer my question.

You stated you believe they will be banned again, I asked you why you believe that.

This has nothing to do with how important either of us thinks the issue is, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

I believe they will be banned again, if caught again, because they were caught and banned before.

I brought up the importance of the issue because I'm legitimately concerned for your health and well being. The moderator asked you guys to just take a little while and chill out while they deal with it, and your answer was the exact polar opposite of chilling out.

Just relax. You're gonna have a god damned stroke.

Thornen

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I believe they will be banned again, if caught again, because they were caught and banned before.

I brought up the importance of the issue because I'm legitimately concerned for your health and well being. The moderator asked you guys to just take a little while and chill out while they deal with it, and your answer was the exact polar opposite of chilling out.

Just relax. You're gonna have a god damned stroke.

So by your theory its ok to let criminals go from jail without a full sentence because they will be caught again...

OGLezard

Nifty2g wrote: »

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

This simply can't continue. Again contacting as many social platforms as possible #ESObroken

Sound like you would rather make ESO die with the really bad publicity that can come from this rather than try and get them to start properly banning. At least wait to hear what they have to say

I mean it serves them right, but lets hope it doesnt go down that road

havent we all been waiting to hear what they have to say @Nifty2g , yet all they keep saying is "this thread is locked now"

HoloYoitsu

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Explain to me how, in your mind, unbanning individuals who had video evidence of their hacking the client translates into "they will be banned again when they cheat again"? Because it sure as hell doesn't translate like that in my mind or any of those hackers who are now openly bragging in /zone.

Man, I don't work for ZOS, I'm not a mod or a dev, I'm just saying there are bigger things to worry about. If you're mad at your video game, do something else for a while before you burst a vein.

*** will work itself out, it did before, it will again.

You didn't answer my question.

You stated you believe they will be banned again, I asked you why you believe that.

This has nothing to do with how important either of us thinks the issue is, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

I believe they will be banned again, if caught again, because they were caught and banned before.

I brought up the importance of the issue because I'm legitimately concerned for your health and well being. The moderator asked you guys to just take a little while and chill out while they deal with it, and your answer was the exact polar opposite of chilling out.

Just relax. You're gonna have a god damned stroke.

And if they aren't caught again? If they wisen up and dial back the hacked stat numbers? We'll just have to live with them in the game, and you're ok with that?

What ZOS_AlanG told us was that any further discussion would be locked, ie. the impact of hacking is now a forbidden topic. Do explain why I am supposed to just "chill out". If you were to follow those instructions as well, you wouldn't be posting here at all - after all, you need to "cool down".

Please continue to take pot shots at people and belittle them for having an opinion. Being patronizing and condescending does not make you sound mature.

Aeladiir

Honestly, I *believe* this whole situation would've been dealt far better if Gina was around. I don't want to bash Jessica, cuz she's pretty awesome and I support ZOS as much as I can, but I just feel the entire situation has been dealt with very poorly from PR standpoint - maybe because she's all alone in this and this issue could use a pair of extra hands. We did get some answers, but they were relatively scarce.

So much could've been avoided if communication with community had actually been on a proper level. This is just my point of view, though. Of course, hearing something from actual devs would be even better, but communication with public is *not* their concern. It never was, it never will be. If they do it it's just because of their good will and nothing else. Which is why companies require PRs.

Nifty2g

Aeladiir wrote: »

Honestly, I *believe* this whole situation would've been dealt far better if Gina was around. I don't want to bash Jessica, cuz she's pretty awesome and I support ZOS as much as I can, but I just feel the entire situation has been dealt with very poorly from PR standpoint - maybe because she's all alone in this and this issue could use a pair of extra hands. We did get some answers, but they were relatively scarce.

So much could've been avoided if communication with community had actually been on a proper level. This is just my point of view, though. Of course, hearing something from actual devs would be even better, but communication with public is *not* their concern. It never was, it never will be. If they do it it's just because of their good will and nothing else. Which is why companies require PRs.

They are community managers, they get told what to write on the forums when it comes to stuff like that... I wouldn't blame Jessica or Gina for something like this tbh.
I think they are both very good at keeping the community happy, but they aren't allowed to speak up about this unless they get the ok to from whoever their bosses are I would assume.

Turelus

See I don't mind if some people got permanent bans and others just got suspensions.

However that should have been communicated clearly from the start and they should have had other actions taken against their accounts such as removal of assets.

Hey what's the point though? They'll lock this thread, continue to ignore us.

Also I started reaching out to some news sites about the issue, I didn't want to do it but thread lock has angered me enough to do it. TBH now I'm expecting a ban for whistle blowing...

ShedsHisTail

What ZOS_AlanG told us was that any further discussion would be locked, ie. the impact of hacking is now a forbidden topic.

Temporarily. For the time being. It's "forbidden" for a limited time because you guys need to relax while they figure it out. We don't know all the details,and it sins like maybe they don't either.

Do explain why I am supposed to just "chill out". If you were to follow those instructions as well, you wouldn't be posting here at all - after all, you need to "cool down".

Oh, I couldn't give less of a *** about the cheating, and I don't care about your opinions either. It's the flipping out and thread spamming that bugs me.

AmberLaTerra

Seriously guys relax and give it a couple days.

I am as ticked off as anyone about the cheaters being allowed back, but do you really think the path you are taking is the right direction? I mean we are talking about things that could destroy the game with the negative publicity. Do you really want to cut off your nose to spit your face like that over this?

Do you really want to throw away the game in the heat of the moment rather then just give it a couple days to cool tempers down and be able to approach ZOS in a calm logical manner to get it handled properly and see to it the cheaters are properly handled without throwing away the game for all of us.

Cheaters should be perma banned and never return, we all agree on that point. So lets just cool down and handle it in a mature adult way, not with childish tantrums that bring us to a level as bad as the cheaters in how we could destroy the game.

Hadan_of_Rift

ZOS behavior of how they handle cheats is embarrassing

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/272318/zos-wth-admited-and-caught-hacker-back-in-game/p1

Grao

Nifty2g wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

This simply can't continue. Again contacting as many social platforms as possible #ESObroken

Sound like you would rather make ESO die with the really bad publicity that can come from this rather than try and get them to start properly banning. At least wait to hear what they have to say

I mean it serves them right, but lets hope it doesnt go down that road

Dude believe me. Public Outrage on social media is the biggest thing big companies are afraid of. I work for a big hosting company, and when someone with massive followers and connections to the social media makes an outrage, then even the CEOs starts working off hours and send public emails.

So yea, social media publications gets the job done 100%, you just need to make decent posts in the right places. Just one post on 1 facebook page wont cut it. If it is brought with evidence and well written article, im sure that IGN, gamespot, eurogamer, and many twitch streamers will have the word spread out. But without organization, complains on social media are worthless.

I know this, I've already said this a few times. But right now its after work hours for ZOS, not much you can do. I would rather hear their statement they have to say.

I would agree with you fully if Zenimax hadn't, for example, locked your thread about cheats and exploits. That showed their tendency to swipe the bad aspects of the game under the rug in the hopes everyone will just forget it or let it go. Their response there was to say to report cheaters and that they can choose to give extra chances, even if someone was hacking the game... It is pretty sad, specially since it seems these players are having a laugh at being allowed back in the game, rubbing in everyone's noses that they cheated, got caught and yet nothing happened...

Turelus

Grao wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

This simply can't continue. Again contacting as many social platforms as possible #ESObroken

Sound like you would rather make ESO die with the really bad publicity that can come from this rather than try and get them to start properly banning. At least wait to hear what they have to say

I mean it serves them right, but lets hope it doesnt go down that road

Dude believe me. Public Outrage on social media is the biggest thing big companies are afraid of. I work for a big hosting company, and when someone with massive followers and connections to the social media makes an outrage, then even the CEOs starts working off hours and send public emails.

So yea, social media publications gets the job done 100%, you just need to make decent posts in the right places. Just one post on 1 facebook page wont cut it. If it is brought with evidence and well written article, im sure that IGN, gamespot, eurogamer, and many twitch streamers will have the word spread out. But without organization, complains on social media are worthless.

I know this, I've already said this a few times. But right now its after work hours for ZOS, not much you can do. I would rather hear their statement they have to say.

I would agree with you fully if Zenimax hadn't, for example, locked your thread about cheats and exploits. That showed their tendency to swipe the bad aspects of the game under the rug in the hopes everyone will just forget it or let it go. Their response there was to say to report cheaters and that they can choose to give extra chances, even if someone was hacking the game... It is pretty sad, specially since it seems these players are having a laugh at being allowed back in the game, rubbing in everyone's noses that they cheated, got caught and yet nothing happened...

I would hope that ZOS is smart enough to reban people for such things.
Other MMO's I have played where players had actions against them then went on to spit in the eye of the developer the devs just banned them shrugged and said "we gave you a chance".

I do believe still that some (most) people who were perma-banend will continue to be banned. However I think that once again the big issue here is that ZOS didn't communicate well. Jessica was working as a proxy between the people who were conducting the ban/investigation and us, where's we really could have done with hearing from them directly and a statement saying there were various levels of action taken depending on the level of abuse.

Finally they need to make a Dev Blog/News Article about this already and state how they're clearing up. When I was compiling that list from other companies yesterday I actually ran ESO as well, there hasn't been any news about ESO taking action since 2014, when they did it then news sites were running articles praising them and giving good press. This is what ZOS should be exploiting (no pun intended) and getting good news stories thrown around the internet about how well they handle the game.

Humour me though ZOS and actually Google "ESO exploits" and see how many threads there are complaining about the issues vs how many good ones there are.

clocksstoppe

Taisynn wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Seriously, stop spamming and move to those forums. Send information to popular gaming blogs and websites. Start messaging them. All your threads will be locked by morning, you will be banned, and all this screaming will be a waste of time. Hell, starting a petition on Petition.org would be more productive than this.

Also remember, this is ZOS' home and they have no reason to host you if you do not follow the rules.

Complaining about thread spamming while spamming threads how quaint. Seriously if people making threads about hackers being unbanned is your issue here then GTFO and go back to using CE to make yourself feel better.

I don't use a CE. Never have, never will. I agree ZOS handled this very poorly, but this is still a nuisance and isn't going to change anything at all.

And I'd rather not have a nice forum member banned because he lost his cool and head. I'm trying to get him to see reason. He needs to take this to IGN and other places instead.

If you don't like this thread then you can just leave. Nobody here cares about your "free speech is dead, zos censorship is justified" propaganda.

JD2013

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Seriously, stop spamming and move to those forums. Send information to popular gaming blogs and websites. Start messaging them. All your threads will be locked by morning, you will be banned, and all this screaming will be a waste of time. Hell, starting a petition on Petition.org would be more productive than this.

Also remember, this is ZOS' home and they have no reason to host you if you do not follow the rules.

Complaining about thread spamming while spamming threads how quaint. Seriously if people making threads about hackers being unbanned is your issue here then GTFO and go back to using CE to make yourself feel better.

I don't use a CE. Never have, never will. I agree ZOS handled this very poorly, but this is still a nuisance and isn't going to change anything at all.

And I'd rather not have a nice forum member banned because he lost his cool and head. I'm trying to get him to see reason. He needs to take this to IGN and other places instead.

If you don't like this thread then you can just leave. Nobody here cares about your "free speech is dead, zos censorship is justified" propaganda.

You want to know why ZOS locks these threads?

Because they turn into nothing more than name calling and childish raging. That's why. Maybe if you had a level headed discussion then they wouldn't lock them.

I realise, of course that you feel your holy crusade against the big bad Zenimax is justified, and you're being silenced, but how about doing something other than shouting on the forums if you're that concerned?

Reevster

I don't care if they unban players, they have their reasons whether we like them or not, but for the love of god fix it so this CE cant be used , this is the real issue, not who was baned or who was unbanned.

Or allow us all to use the CE, just like an addon.... Its only fair... at least then we can compete with the cheaters....

Oh ya, in before lock...

Tryxus

I think they're closing these types of threads to prevent ppl from farming too many "Agrees" and "Awesomes"

Odditorium

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

How many of you have actually gone through the proper channels and reported this, rather than just bitching on the forums?

I have. I spend most of my time in Cyr. I see a lot of cheating. I spend a lot of time reporting cheating as well as the guild I run with. I spend money and time (time is more precious to me) on this game to play the game and not to be an unpaid cheater police. Sometimes I just want to play the dang game. This frustration is not directed at you but at zos.

HuawaSepp

Look at GTA Online, same thing with CE there.
ZOS just can't track if someone set his resistance to 28k or whatever. Would be too much work/costs

Sausage

Is this some Leaderboards stuff again?

Reevster

HuawaSepp wrote: »

Look at GTA Online, same thing with CE there.
ZOS just can't track if someone set his resistance to 28k or whatever. Would be too much work/costs

So basically we all could use the CE (undetected) if we just keep it within "normal" stats, just on the upper ranges of said stats, now this makes a lot of sense seeing some of these players that seem to be just "too good".

Turelus

Sausage wrote: »

Is this some Leaderboards stuff again?

Players who were banned were unbanned or only suspended in the first place. One of those was someone who cheated to get an unobtainable score in vMSA, the scores are still not wiped and ZOS are saying Soon TM.

Mostly people are just angry that ZOS doesn't seem capable of enforcing anything within this game any more.

Alcast

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

that is their answers, so they unlifted all bans otherwise they would say that they permabanned those. But seems they did not

Man, that screenshot seems awfully reasonable.

The problem is, they are just closing up all the threads instead of TELLING us how they dealt with it. Sounds fishy? Ofc bc they prolly unbanned most of them.

altemriel

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

How many of you have actually gone through the proper channels and reported this, rather than just bitching on the forums?

well the thing is you have to report a particular player and if someone is shooting an infinite meteor on you from the top of the keep, I guess it is hard to report him/her

altemriel

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

Who cares let them lock it, honesty is key! Where integrity emerges so does truth! You are more than a dollar sign and ZOS should treat you as a person. Of course we are frustrated, but don't dare silent us!

yes, I also think that re-posting it until they start to really act is the key

altemriel

mommadani907 wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many posts are made. They have already said they are not going to talk about it. More or less.

They know a group of their players are super mad.

But they are just going to continue to lock and delete threads about this. And yes, repeat offenders are probably going to get in trouble for it. Don't get yourself into trouble, that doesn't help anything.

Right now, I want numbers. I want the number of people they banned (I think it was 48) and the number of those people that are no longer banned.

I don't want to hurt the game. I don't agree with their choices lately. But I don't want to burn it to the ground.

source pls of that what you are writting that ZOS said that!

altemriel

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Miszou wrote: »

From a purely PvE perspective....

Until they find a way to screw pvers, even casuals. CE is a very powerful tool, it doesnt just give you infinite ulties.
For example in dark souls 2 there was also a CE problem (cause its a single-player game mostly and its hard to control), and at some point cheaters found a way to kill npcs in someone else's game world they join for co-op or pvp. And in that game, npcs die for good so it was very harmful. They could also ignore other limitations. Cheaters are stupid, but when someone posts how to do other things, it will be as rampant as meteor spam.

yes, when someone is able to hack the server and shoot infinite ultis at someone, how hard would it be to hack the server and make it possible for someone to attack someone in PVE area? I hope would not be that easy....

Loralai_907

See the Dev tracker, its the top of the list.