ZOS is trying to silent forum members regarding rumored return of Cheaters

ShedsHisTail

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

Thornen

Hammy01 wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

If ZOS had an official statement it would have been released long before 2 weeks after the blatant hacking became public knowledge.

At this point it would not surprise me if ZOS's official statement was something like....

After careful consideration we at Zenimax Online Studios have decided to no longer support the PC version of this game and instead will put forth the highest efforts to making this the best console MMO ever!!


Now I am just joking with that last statement but it really would not surprise me if the talking heads at ZOS would actually considering something like this....


Hammy!!

I bet you anything the official statement will pass the buck saying.

It has come to our attention that some players that received permanent bans have had their suspension lifted. This is by no means our intention and is fully the fault of some ignorant level 1 outsourced support we pay 10 cents an hour too. Rest assured this will happen again in the future because we just can't get anything right. In the meantime here's a recoloured wolf mount for 4000 crowns hope you like it.

Solid_Metal

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Miszou

From a purely PvE perspective....

Khajiit_Ri

Update, I am currently in communications with IGN on opening an investigation into the incompetence of zenimax, hopefully they will decide to cover it.

ShedsHisTail

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

Khajiit_Ri

Also Facebook page in the imagur pic (one of the other threads) is also looking into it and if he feels it warrants a spotlight he has said he is willing to shine it.

You guys can't possibly be happy with a broken game? cheaters rumored to have returned? The meaningless communication that ZOS seems to think they can pass off as sincerity?

#ESObroken not only literally but as a community as well. We will not be silenced. Please please share. It is the only way to change things.

Rohamad_Ali

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

The primate in me wants to climb in a tree and fling poo at the nearest threat .

Khajiit_Ri

update, working on petition at change.org

also if anyone can send me links to other forums, I will be found in the early mornings ranting and raving on the Reddit forums. This will be the last update and more information will be provided there. As a community we must remember this maybe their home but we paid for it in some way.

ShedsHisTail

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

update, working on petition at change.org

Good man, Obama will fix it.

HoloYoitsu

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That's not it, the most recent unbanning was of someone who had clear video evidence showing him hacking, and had admitted to hacking.

All that aside, the reason the forum is blowing up now is ZOS's hamfisted attempt at censorship:

ZOS_AlanG wrote:

But given the problems at the moment, we feel a break is in order. We are closing this thread to give the topic a chance to cool down. If related threads are made or bumped, they will be directed here and locked as well.

Quoting myself now: That was from the closing of the ONLY sanctioned discussion thread for the hacking issue. You read that right, ZOS is officially banning any discussion of the hacking issue until they deem it has "cooled down", under threat of unconditional locking.

Under ZOS's policy, you aren't even allowed to discuss whether you feel people's outrage over the issue is justified. Take a moment and let that sink in.

jircris11

what proof do we have that these rumors are true? also cheaters could be spreading these as a way to cause more trouble. Most game companies will keep cheaters banned unless they can not find enough evidence. Running a mmo has laws one must follow, if they can not provide enough evidence then they can not keep them banned much like police needing evidence to keep a person locked up. It is not 100% but it is sadly the best we got. Most of the people who are angry have never once in their life had to deal with matters as delicate as this, i for one have had many experiences in this field and i have seen many people who i KNEW where cheating be un-banned, but that just made me work harder to get enough evidence to ban them for good.

dsalter

i remember a guy in Alterac Valley in WoW who was speed hacking, he was banned within 20minutes.
runescape, if someone found an exploit and intentinally abused it they got banned or rolled back if they were lucky and weren't making profit.
Anarchy Online, exploiting bugs to gain an advantage would result in a temp 2week ban then a perma ban if repeat offended.

if gaming can be considered a sport it should have rules in place for fairness hence why most MMO's or MOBA's have a 0 tolerance for cheating, else you get a situation like this bursts out and causes chaos in the ranks, which looks bad on the games part.

ShedsHisTail

"The forum" isn't exploding. Like four people are flipping out and petitioning the president, and half a dozen others are kinda upset.

While a big horde of onlookers are smirking and shaking their heads silently because they haven't lost sight of the fact that this is still a video game.

SienneYviete

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

ShedsHisTail

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Loralai_907

This is why I don't like most people lol.

But seriously, I've toned waaaaay down since the 40 page thread was deleted. 12 of those pages were after he who shall not be named was unbanned. It was a lot of super angry people wanting answers.

I wouldn't say that I am less mad, or that I accept this. I'm just trying to be less flipping tables about it. But no, I was never going to rally the president lol.

HoloYoitsu

jircris11 wrote: »

what proof do we have that these rumors are true? also cheaters could be spreading these as a way to cause more trouble. Most game companies will keep cheaters banned unless they can not find enough evidence. Running a mmo has laws one must follow, if they can not provide enough evidence then they can not keep them banned much like police needing evidence to keep a person locked up. It is not 100% but it is sadly the best we got. Most of the people who are angry have never once in their life had to deal with matters as delicate as this, i for one have had many experiences in this field and i have seen many people who i KNEW where cheating be un-banned, but that just made me work harder to get enough evidence to ban them for good.

"What proof"? What am I supposed to do, link you the deleted threads that have been discussing it the last few days? Post the videos and get myself banned? If you are on NA PC, all you have to do is look at the current #1 VMA score holder. That's about as much as I can say without breaking TOS.

HoloYoitsu

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Explain to me how, in your mind, unbanning individuals who had video evidence of their hacking the client translates into "they will be banned again when they cheat again"? Because it sure as hell doesn't translate like that in my mind or any of those hackers who are now openly bragging in /zone.

ShedsHisTail

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Explain to me how, in your mind, unbanning individuals who had video evidence of their hacking the client translates into "they will be banned again when they cheat again"? Because it sure as hell doesn't translate like that in my mind or any of those hackers who are now openly bragging in /zone.

Man, I don't work for ZOS, I'm not a mod or a dev, I'm just saying there are bigger things to worry about. If you're mad at your video game, do something else for a while before you burst a vein.

*** will work itself out, it did before, it will again.

SienneYviete

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Would someone be willing to walk me through this issue, I am actually interested.

Is this related to that mass banning a while back? The big group of folks banned for cheating.

A yes or no will suffice.

yes

Okay, so we're taking about the same mass banning that was controversial in its own right because folks were filing false reports and getting non-cheaters banned in the chaos.

Is it possible that rather than address every case individually and waste time and resources, ZOS just reinstated all the accounts that maybe didn't have obvious proof in a sort of "innocent until proven guilty" move?

And that maybe a few folks who actually did cheat just happened to have cases that were iffy enough that ZOS decided to give then a second chance?

I mean, can we at least try to be rational about this rather than losing our collective ***?

That is not the issue, a certain player who blatantly hacked and it was well known via impossible vma scores was let back in. Also other unnamed players that were featured in videos sent to ZOS have been in Zone chat gloating of their return and flat out telling people they hacked.

Okay, so they reinstated all the accounts.
And the cheaters will chat again and get banned again and then life goes on and the earth resumes turning.

Your condescending attitude notwithstanding, this is not as simple as you make it out to be. The fact is ZOS had the chance to shut the hack down for which they have not done (it still works). They gave the hackers the keys back to their accounts and they are now collectively trying to silence a community who are outraged.

They lied to us plain and simple and IMO have zero integrity as a competent developer.

Mureel

Miszou wrote: »

From a purely PvE perspective....

Anyone competing for top times in VMA cares.

Alcast

Captain obvious just told me they unlifted all bans.

ShedsHisTail

Alcast wrote: »

that is their answers, so they unlifted all bans otherwise they would say that they permabanned those. But seems they did not

Man, that screenshot seems awfully reasonable.

LadyNalcarya

Well, cheater's score is still on vMA leaderboards, and they are free to ruin pvp...
This is the first game I know of that values cheaters above honest players. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. And this "something" is not silencing non-cheating players. This is borderline rude.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

They are more interested in sweeping the cheating problem under the rug then they are in stopping the cheaters.

What cheating? I don't see any cheating. If we censor it, the cheating stops right?

Loralai_907

Go to the dev tracker, select the top one, and read what was said. They are giving them a "last chance"

SienneYviete

Alcast wrote: »

Captain obvious just told me they unlifted all bans.

Forget captain obvious ZOS needs this guy.

Whatzituyah

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, cheater's score is still on vMA leaderboards, and they are free to ruin pvp...
This is the first game I know of that values cheaters above honest players. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. And this "something" is not silencing non-cheating players. This is borderline rude.

@KoshkaMurka They said in the next few weeks they will wipe those. I really wish announcements wouldn't get buried.

LadyNalcarya

@Miszou wrote: »

From a purely PvE perspective....

Until they find a way to screw pvers, even casuals. CE is a very powerful tool, it doesnt just give you infinite ulties.
For example in dark souls 2 there was also a CE problem (cause its a single-player game mostly and its hard to control), and at some point cheaters found a way to kill npcs in someone else's game world they join for co-op or pvp. And in that game, npcs die for good so it was very harmful. They could also ignore other limitations. Cheaters are stupid, but when someone posts how to do other things, it will be as rampant as meteor spam.