Cloak Needs A Nerf
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rordogg✭✭✭Nerfs ... Already a ability called radiant Mage light . No one uses it , I do on all my toons it's funny to see night blades try to sneak past a crowd and get ganked
Maybe everyone isn't a Mage that can afford to use things like Mage light and flare... Unless you're suggesting we all go back to the elder skirts onlineEdited by rordogg on September 22, 2015 3:09AM1 -
Igglez✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.
Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.
This kind of stuff is ruining the game. I leveled a char to 14, you nerf it. I make a new char, buy 15 XP scrolls from the Crown store and get it to 14, now your talking about nerfing it.
These people have all the opportunity to re roll and play this class if its OP but they don't, they just want to make playing there own class easier. All that's happening if EVERYTHING IS BEING NERFED because of this kind of whiney crap, tthe point you ruin every single class and people don't want to play.
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This kind of stuff is ruining the game. I leveled a char to 14, you nerf it. I make a new char, buy 15 XP scrolls from the Crown store and get it to 14, now your talking about nerfing it.
These people have all the opportunity to re roll and play this class if its OP but they don't, they just want to make playing there own class easier. All that's happening if EVERYTHING IS BEING NERFED because of this kind of whiney crap, tthe point you ruin every single class and people don't want to play.
I agree the whining is out of control.
It's usually the same people in every thread as well.
Instead of slotting a counter, people want a way to counter it for free. It's absurd.
What's even more ridiculous is the amount of times I have died in Imperial City and not one time was a Nightblade involved. It was either a zerg, a Templar, or a DK.
I am a Stamina Sorc and I run Radiant Magelight and not one NB has got away from me. I keep Major Expedition up and RML... they can't escape. The PvP IQ found in these threads is extremely low.1 -
capnbinky✭✭Please don't nerf shadow cloak. This is the same song, different day. Every time you nerf something because of a few complaints, a LOT of people who were happy get shafted.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The only time Nightblades spam cloak on me is when I'm chasing them down with AoEs until they eventually run out of magicka. For stam blades, casting cloak that quickly is expensive and will run them dry in no time. Sure it's annoying when magicka nb's spam it, but you have to think about their stamina counterpart too. Would it really be fair to tax them by adding no or slower regeneration on a spell that already costs quite a bit, which can also be countered by a number of skills in this game?
I realise you enjoy nerfing things ZOS, but it's not always the answer.4 -
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✭✭Weren't they going to stop nerfing things after this update?
They're taking the thoughtful approach and are bringing underwhelming skills on par with small buffs, then monitoring how they are being used.
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Eejit1331✭✭✭You NB only have yourselves to blame since you all scream nerf on any class you can't sneak attack and kill, and if you can't win the fight you press your "I win" button. Where was all the L2P when the NB community screams nerf at everyone else... Hypocrites... Cloak is getting the hammer because you all abused your abilities, lied about how OP it is and cried about all the other classes. If it is simply a lack of regen during cloak, cloak will still be OP as NB can just stack cost reduction and increase the magicka pool. Please balance cloak and increase the penalty for use as they only need it a few times.3
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wraith808✭✭✭✭You NB only have yourselves to blame since you all scream nerf on any class you can't sneak attack and kill, and if you can't win the fight you press your "I win" button. Where was all the L2P when the NB community screams nerf at everyone else... Hypocrites... Cloak is getting the hammer because you all abused your abilities, lied about how OP it is and cried about all the other classes. If it is simply a lack of regen during cloak, cloak will still be OP as NB can just stack cost reduction and increase the magicka pool. Please balance cloak and increase the penalty for use as they only need it a few times.
Oh, so it's all NB's? And just NB's? Come on, be for real, now. Why can't we come together as a community, instead of each class tearing the others down?Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
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Eejit1331✭✭✭It's a good solution to nerf the magicka recovery like in mist form that way the magicka nightblades can not spam it, make the cost stack it's just gonna hurt the stamina nightblades that use it just sometimes the problem with cloack it's just the too many castings in a row.
Lol... Now stamina NB know how stamina sorcs felt when their nerf was announced.5 -
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Lol... Now stamina NB know how stamina sorcs felt when their nerf was announced.
I am a stamblade and I feel nothing. I will just drink a magicka potion after a cast.
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MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭Please fix champ points before you even think of altering regeneration when using an ability0
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✭✭✭Most_Awesome wrote: »Goodbye Magica Nightblades
If cloak is the only reason one uses a nightblade for magicka builds...0 -
muffit✭Cloak doesn't even work correctly half the time... At least fix it before you nerf it lolPS4 - EU - AD - VR14 Stamina Nightblade1 -
ChefZero✭✭✭✭RIP Melee Magicka Nightblade.. Can spam Cloak all day long, but deals nearly 0 damage with classskills compared to other classes. And with IC patch melee playstyle is dead cause you can't handle it with the new resources management.
And for those who think BoL and Dodgeroll got nerfed.. my guildmates still able to BoL, Dodgeroll and Shieldspamming all day long to troll bad players. The only real nerf to Sorcs is Shieldbreaker. But you have to wear it and only for Stamina Builds.PC EU - DC only0 -
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.
Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.
@DeanTheCat Look at some comments after this was posted. I plan to abuse my shieldbreaker as much as possible, or my shieldspamming sorc. Probably both
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BEZDNA✭✭✭✭I hope they will nerf clock, i want to get a revenge for streek and reflective sclaes
No magica recovery if you are vanished seems more then fair - same treatment as mist form (you only shud get magica recovery pentaly if you are invisible, if are you still visible to others becous of detec pots, mark, radient magelight or becous of any other reasons you shud not get that penalty)Edited by BEZDNA on September 22, 2015 5:29AM0 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »
@DeanTheCat Look at some comments after this was posted. I plan to abuse my shieldbreaker as much as possible, or my shieldspamming sorc. Probably both
@Master_Kas: I read (almost) every thread on the forums so I saw the posts. I don't really care either way. This change only means that I substitute my Essences of Magicka with cheap Nirnroot + Blue Entoloma infusions. I'll still achieve the same end result. I don't have much Magicka regen to begin with anyway.
... Though I don't think Kris would be too happy about it. He spends more time in cloak then out.Dean the Cat
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Anzo✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.
Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.
Do not let the squeaky wheels get the grease. Just because a bunch of people come to these forums and complain doesnt mean the whole community agrees with them. Play the game and figure it out for yourself.
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✭✭DeanTheCat wrote: »
@Master_Kas: I read (almost) every thread on the forums so I saw the posts. I don't really care either way. This change only means that I substitute my Essences of Magicka with cheap Nirnroot + Blue Entoloma infusions. I'll still achieve the same end result. I don't have much Magicka regen to begin with anyway.
... Though I don't think Kris would be too happy about it. He spends more time in cloak then out.
Yes pots will help, but if you have low magicka regen it will be even lower with this change. Magicka nightblades will still be able to spam it alot more. This is worse for stamina nbs than magicka ones imo. :P
Ah yes Kris, wonder what he thinks about this.EU | PC0 -
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✭✭✭Non- NB's always complain that "NB can pick the fight when they want" etc, but they forget every class can stealth and hide and pick the fight they want.Master_Kas wrote: »
Yes pots will help, but if you have low magicka regen it will be even lower with this change. Magicka nightblades will still be able to spam it alot more. This is worse for stamina nbs than magicka ones imo. :P
Ah yes Kris, wonder what he thinks about this.
If magicka regeneration is a bit lower, you can still drink magicka potions to keep magicka up. I think in the end people will have found other builds to keep unlimited cloaking. I don't see what the issue is. As long as the cloak, they don't attack. And a detect potion or caltrops it's just like they never cloaked.
Yesterday in IC I was chased by a group of angry EP because I killed one dude and got 800 TV. I cloaked once. I just used charging manouvres for CC immunity and run of. Cloaked once near a splitting so they didn't know which way I was going. going, going gone.
It's not unlimited cloak they cry about. They say it is, but they just angry if any NB gets away. Whether you cloak once or 10 times.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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That's a stupid reason for nerfing something and you should have your forum account deleted to take away your voice on such matters. And it's cloak, not clock you nitwit.
Hahahah, i will do it only after you delet you acount first.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭First of all, nerfing something that's not working seems a bit... ill-advised. Get it totally working, where it's 100% dependable that if you press the button, it's going to go off... and it's not going to get disrupted by things that shouldn't disrupt it. Then we can talk.
Second of all, what is this hate between classes on this particular game? I mean, there's class bias in any game. But in this one... it's downright NASTY. Why is that?
They nerfed Ball of Lightning without ever fixing the fact that it failed to absorb spells frequently.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Non- NB's always complain that "NB can pick the fight when they want" etc, but they forget every class can stealth and hide and pick the fight they want.
If magicka regeneration is a bit lower, you can still drink magicka potions to keep magicka up. I think in the end people will have found other builds to keep unlimited cloaking. I don't see what the issue is. As long as the cloak, they don't attack. And a detect potion or caltrops it's just like they never cloaked.
Yesterday in IC I was chased by a group of angry EP because I killed one dude and got 800 TV. I cloaked once. I just used charging manouvres for CC immunity and run of. Cloaked once near a splitting so they didn't know which way I was going. going, going gone.
It's not unlimited cloak they cry about. They say it is, but they just angry if any NB gets away. Whether you cloak once or 10 times.
@Knootewoot: Nicely phrased.
Playing the Nightblade is about mind games with the enemy. It's not about being that brute that charges into battle or that spellslinger in the back. You don't really need to cloak much if you successfully outwit your foes.
Anyone remember that quest in Bangkorai called "A Grave Matter"? It's a quest where you try to figure out the password to a lockbox by solving a riddle on a set of tombstones.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:A_Grave_Matter
Anyway, one of the tombstones has something along these lines written on it. "Here lies Olivia Moret, who proved that brawn and intellect was not the only thing that matters". Olivia Moret was the thief in the quest. Dean the Cat
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✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Non- NB's always complain that "NB can pick the fight when they want" etc, but they forget every class can stealth and hide and pick the fight they want.
If magicka regeneration is a bit lower, you can still drink magicka potions to keep magicka up. I think in the end people will have found other builds to keep unlimited cloaking. I don't see what the issue is. As long as the cloak, they don't attack. And a detect potion or caltrops it's just like they never cloaked.
Yesterday in IC I was chased by a group of angry EP because I killed one dude and got 800 TV. I cloaked once. I just used charging manouvres for CC immunity and run of. Cloaked once near a splitting so they didn't know which way I was going. going, going gone.
It's not unlimited cloak they cry about. They say it is, but they just angry if any NB gets away. Whether you cloak once or 10 times.
I know how to have better success in getting away. I also have tons of magicka pots, cost reduction and magicka regen even as a stamina nightblade thanks to gear and championpoints. Thing is alot of newer players don't use regen drinks nor have tons of champ points nor the experience on how to use it properly. They will get wrecked even easier and will probably leave the game thanks to no means to defend themselves. But then again this applies to most new players facing properly geared V16's with alot of champ points. And with the way things are going, do we really need less players?
This will affect stamina nightblades way more than magicka ones. You cannot disagree on that.
Thing is everything keeps getting nerfed, it's the way ZOS wants to handle things. So be it. Just can't justify nerfing a skill which is a class main defense, which already have tons of counters which can render it useless. (Not saying it's useless, but it can be made useless by multiple skills + pots)Edited by Master_Kas on September 22, 2015 6:27AMEU | PC2 -
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I'm curious why cost increase is not fair for stamina NB for cloak but cost increase is fair on Streak for stamina sorc?
I also could definitely get on board with AOE dmg preventing NB from immediately recloaking for a few seconds. That is definitely my biggest problem with using Thundering Presence as a counter to Cloak.
Good question, I like these subtle nerfs/changes though. The 50% nerfs or buffs usually completely ruin the little balance there is.
Nevertheless, I think reducing magicka regen is the wrong solution. Magicka NBs will still be able to Cloak a lot and stam NBs will mainly suffer the consequences.
The problem is that AOE damage is only a viable counter when fighting stam NBs because they have limited magicka available for cloak. Magicka NBs have huge magicka pools and can cloak many times so when they are pulled out of stealth they can simply cloak again.
I dont think decreased regen will have a big impact on magicka NBs but it will make stam NBs a lot weaker.Edited by Septimus_Magna on September 22, 2015 6:35AMPC - EU (AD)SpoilerSeptimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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Bats0828✭playing solo nb for the most time and i dont run mark target, just not needed. there are enough skills that break cloack, special in tight IC areas. Perhaps just change a skill on your bar instead of calling for a whole class to be nerfed.
your are right bro. i have a khajiit nightblade stamina base. and i don't think just because you can spam cloak you become overpower. cloaking for me is trying to evade damage and i know it can also crit. instead of people asking a certain skill to be nerf, why not just use a skill to counter it...this is one of the things i hate about other people. too much complain...asking other builds or skills to be nerf. every race and every class can use certain skills to counter another persons skill. just depends on how good you are as a player
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Next penality is for shield!
Oh i´m so glad we can point anyone having problems with shields to the wonderful shieldbreaker set zenimax just introduced with their latest major patch for this occasion
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