ZoS, we are NOT with you!

ThePaleItalian

We live in a world of entitlement gaming.

GIVE ME NO SUB - Ok no sub but a lot of crown store items so we can continue to make money to continue to make this game.

OMG CROWN STORE STUFF COST ME MONEY QQ...

ESO and Zenimax will never win. Are they a perfect company making a perfect game? No, but players now want everything easy and free and none stop.

Plus is 1,000 crowns for all the hair styles. Geez, I am sure 90% of you spend more money on coffee from Starbucks.

raidentenshu_ESO

moonbat wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..

Changing hair colour, eye colour, beard etc are all things that people like to do for FUN.

LOTRO is Free To Play and from the get-go I can take my character to an actual barbershop in game, sit down, and change my hair and eye colour for a mere pittance. This = immersion. Paying 10$ per minor tweak, which does nothing but take you back to what is essentially character creation, is NOT immersive, takes away from the fun, and is a cheap excuse to gouge players.

You are not a superior person just because YOU want to keep an unchanging character forever.

You can do exactly that in GTA Online and it cost you In-game cash that you earned (or purchased through shark cards)either through heist/racing/etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw1Yhbyo9E


I don't think it's right for me to have to pay 10 real life dollars just to change my beard or change the color of my eyes.

It's not like I want to do a major operation on my toon. I just want to change the eye color and change my facial hairs.... why am I being charged 10 dollars to do minor things?

raidentenshu_ESO

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

We live in a world of entitlement gaming.

GIVE ME NO SUB - Ok no sub but a lot of crown store items so we can continue to make money to continue to make this game.

OMG CROWN STORE STUFF COST ME MONEY QQ...

ESO and Zenimax will never win. Are they a perfect company making a perfect game? No, but players now want everything easy and free and none stop.

Plus is 1,000 crowns for all the hair styles. Geez, I am sure 90% of you spend more money on coffee from Starbucks.

When I'm paying for a PAID subscription for a game that I happen to like.... you're damn right that I feel "entitled". Are you trying to say that it's a bad thing? Don't you feel entitled to free commercials when you go and subscribe to a premium channel like HBO? Wouldn't you get angry if that network started squeezing in tiny commercials during a program run? I know I would.

Either way it shouldn't cost 10 dollars to do a minor adjustment on your character.

Garldeen

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

We live in a world of entitlement gaming.

GIVE ME NO SUB - Ok no sub but a lot of crown store items so we can continue to make money to continue to make this game.

OMG CROWN STORE STUFF COST ME MONEY QQ...

ESO and Zenimax will never win. Are they a perfect company making a perfect game? No, but players now want everything easy and free and none stop.

Plus is 1,000 crowns for all the hair styles. Geez, I am sure 90% of you spend more money on coffee from Starbucks.

When I'm paying for a PAID subscription for a game that I happen to like.... you're damn right that I feel "entitled". Are you trying to say that it's a bad thing? Don't you feel entitled to free commercials when you go and subscribe to a premium channel like HBO? Wouldn't you get angry if that network started squeezing in tiny commercials during a program run? I know I would.

Either way it shouldn't cost 10 dollars to do a minor adjustment on your character.

You best stay away from Sky TV then. Very expensive subscription AND adverts. Has always puzzled me why people accept that. And I agree with you..it should be free for subs. The game needs to go two routes: pay as you go and subscription. It is kind of like that but the sub perks need increasing. If you are on the payg model then expect to pay a little more. Just as minutes on a mobile are more expensive for payg than contract plans but both people are getting the same call mins.

Bouldercleave

moonbat wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Lol at the Zeni defenders

"Don't buy it, you don't have to".
Blah blah blah blah.
Oh for christs sake, put a cork in it.

You're getting ripped off... plain and simple.

Not if you don't buy it. I like Ferraris, but they are more money than I want to spend so I don't own one. It's simple really - you can't have everything for free.

Are you seriously comparing changing a character's makeup to a Ferrari?

As a subscriber I would prefer that minor tweaks such as hair colour be for in game gold. I would *prefer* not to be gouged for an inferior product. There is zero reason that the minorest of tweaks be bundled with complete physical character changes.

What ZOS is doing is charging you the price of a Ferrari for what is essentially an oil change.

Yes I am comparing the two and it is a perfectly valid comparison. If you do not see the value in the product offered (be it the price, the quality, or both) - don't buy it. You don't need to *** and moan about it, just don't buy it.

raidentenshu_ESO

wonkydog wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

We live in a world of entitlement gaming.

GIVE ME NO SUB - Ok no sub but a lot of crown store items so we can continue to make money to continue to make this game.

OMG CROWN STORE STUFF COST ME MONEY QQ...

ESO and Zenimax will never win. Are they a perfect company making a perfect game? No, but players now want everything easy and free and none stop.

Plus is 1,000 crowns for all the hair styles. Geez, I am sure 90% of you spend more money on coffee from Starbucks.

When I'm paying for a PAID subscription for a game that I happen to like.... you're damn right that I feel "entitled". Are you trying to say that it's a bad thing? Don't you feel entitled to free commercials when you go and subscribe to a premium channel like HBO? Wouldn't you get angry if that network started squeezing in tiny commercials during a program run? I know I would.

Either way it shouldn't cost 10 dollars to do a minor adjustment on your character.

You best stay away from Sky TV then. Very expensive subscription AND adverts. Has always puzzled me why people accept that.

Only reason why I haven't subscribed to Hulu Plus is because I heard that it still has advertisements despite being a paid subscription. Screw that noise.

Oh and Sky TV ain't doing too good in the stock market so it must suck that bad LOL

Reevster

I dont think they are charging enough imo, I mean you don't need it to start with, but if you really want it you should have to pay through the nose, suck it up already and stop whining , phiffff.

moonbat

Reevster wrote: »

I dont think they are charging enough imo, I mean you don't need it to start with, but if you really want it you should have to pay through the nose, suck it up already and stop whining , phiffff.

Yep, as the guy who said that changing your hair colour is analogous to spending over 200k on a Ferrari, then yes, why stop at 10$ to change your hair colour? Why not 40$! Minor tweaks should be exhorbitantly overpriced because that's just good business!

In fact, gear dyeing is something that is non-essential. So, every time you want to change the colour of your hat, expect to pay 10$. Because that is just like buying a Ferarri. Don't be such an entitled brat!

BTW, I pay for two subs, and I have multiple accounts. I just spent 120$ buying crown points. But I will NOT be spending 10$ per minor character tweak. It isn't fun. It ruins the immersion when you know that you are being gouged. I can afford it, but it is a matter of principle.

moonbat

Bouldercleave wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Lol at the Zeni defenders

"Don't buy it, you don't have to".
Blah blah blah blah.
Oh for christs sake, put a cork in it.

You're getting ripped off... plain and simple.

Not if you don't buy it. I like Ferraris, but they are more money than I want to spend so I don't own one. It's simple really - you can't have everything for free.

Are you seriously comparing changing a character's makeup to a Ferrari?

As a subscriber I would prefer that minor tweaks such as hair colour be for in game gold. I would *prefer* not to be gouged for an inferior product. There is zero reason that the minorest of tweaks be bundled with complete physical character changes.

What ZOS is doing is charging you the price of a Ferrari for what is essentially an oil change.

Yes I am comparing the two and it is a perfectly valid comparison. If you do not see the value in the product offered (be it the price, the quality, or both) - don't buy it. You don't need to *** and moan about it, just don't buy it.

Which makes me wonder why Revlon doesn't price their hair care products at 200k to 1 million apiece.

*thinks*

moonbat

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..

Changing hair colour, eye colour, beard etc are all things that people like to do for FUN.

LOTRO is Free To Play and from the get-go I can take my character to an actual barbershop in game, sit down, and change my hair and eye colour for a mere pittance. This = immersion. Paying 10$ per minor tweak, which does nothing but take you back to what is essentially character creation, is NOT immersive, takes away from the fun, and is a cheap excuse to gouge players.

You are not a superior person just because YOU want to keep an unchanging character forever.

You can do exactly that in GTA Online and it cost you In-game cash that you earned (or purchased through shark cards)either through heist/racing/etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw1Yhbyo9E


I don't think it's right for me to have to pay 10 real life dollars just to change my beard or change the color of my eyes.

It's not like I want to do a major operation on my toon. I just want to change the eye color and change my facial hairs.... why am I being charged 10 dollars to do minor things?

Because changing your hair colour is equivalent to buying a Ferarri. Sheesh!

Rohamad_Ali

They're just trolling . No one in their right mind thinks ten bucks for a haircut ingame is reasonable . They just say it to get attention . Or ... They're not in their right minds .

Edited for grammar police

vamp_emily

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Yes I am comparing the two and it is a perfectly valid comparison. If you do not see the value in the product offered (be it the price, the quality, or both) - don't buy it. You don't need to *** and moan about it, just don't buy it.

Troll alert ^^^^^^

hmm.. in other words you are basically telling everyone if there is a bug in the program, or if a specific skill is OP, they should just quit the game because no reason to moan about it?

Some say 'nerf' skills, and I say 'nerf' prices. I am willing to support the company ( give them more money ) at reasonable prices, but when things are over priced (OP) then I and everyone else has the right to cry and moan about it.

Also, I have never received anything from ZOS for free, and I don't expect too. I just want them to lower the prices of common digital goods, quit taking stuff off the market and leave them up for sell in the crown store, and increase production of new items.

edit: I did get free cake

moonbat

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They're just trolling . No one in their right mind thinks ten bucks for a haircut ingame is reasonable . They just say it to get attention . Or ... They're not in their right minds .

Edited for grammar police

Yep and a Ferrari is a major luxury item that most people cannot afford. I would compare the Dro-Mathra Senche to a Ferrari. Hair color and makeup? No. I can wash makeup off my face in real life for free. To compare that to purchasing a Ferarri irl is ridiculous.

So yeah, either troll or delusional.

raidentenshu_ESO

moonbat wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They're just trolling . No one in their right mind thinks ten bucks for a haircut ingame is reasonable . They just say it to get attention . Or ... They're not in their right minds .

Edited for grammar police

Yep and a Ferrari is a major luxury item that most people cannot afford. I would compare the Dro-Mathra Senche to a Ferrari. Hair color and makeup? No. I can wash makeup off my face in real life for free. To compare that to purchasing a Ferarri irl is ridiculous.

So yeah, either troll or delusional.

This sounds so much like the time when someone hacked into Dr. Sheldon Coopers WoW account and jacked all of his stuffs..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCEDbrR3EMM

esometric

it's nothing personal it's just business

Zamuro

There are MANY GAMES that offer the cash shop currency to be exchanged for the ingame currency(or the oppossite), that way with a lot of farm u can buy cash shop items for free. This game is a BUY TO PLAY, and there are games that are FREE TO PLAY and offer that service... so yea, basically what they are doing, charging 10$ for an ingame haircut without an option to get it free, is just *** pure greed. Here.. thats my opinion on the cash shop of this b2p game, and im not gonna even talk about the DLC prices

alexkdd99

On since you seem to think following Rockstar lead is a good idea maybe they should allow us to purchase in game gold worn real money just like Rockstar

vyndral13preub18_ESO

esometric wrote: »

it's nothing personal it's just business

Oh no! You are not fooling me! The bad guy always says that right before they try to kill someone!

natewook

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They're just trolling . No one in their right mind thinks ten bucks for a haircut ingame is reasonable . They just say it to get attention . Or ... They're not in their right minds .

Edited for grammar police

or, because the high prices feed there fragile little egos. i mean think about it, the fact that they can afford to pay for it must make them feel SO special.

animositysominab16_ESO

I would also have preferred something like in Skyrim. Buy a stylist or somethig and then you can go there and spend ingame gold. that would be cool.
I bought the hair pack. But just because i can keep it. That's fine. But pay every time 10$ (well, here in Europe something about 9 € or so) if i want to tweek my character's appearance is really overpriced.
Oh, and btw, I'm currently paying an ESO+ subscription. Still I think it's a bit exaggerated.

CombatPrayer

cjthibs

autumnsongbird wrote: »

You know that is basically the same with any business?
It doesn't make them evil.

raidentenshu_ESO

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

it's nothing personal it's just business

Oh no! You are not fooling me! The bad guy always says that right before they try to kill someone!

You're right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qvpcfYFHcw

CombatPrayer

Even Capcom allowed you to change your look in game in Dragon's Dogma for rift crystals or gold on top of being able to do it at every new game cycle for each character. And they are one of the most money grubbing companies out there. Hell, they smacked on one dungeon for DLC (dark arisen) then sold some tale that you had to repurchase the game to get it then resold the original game with DLC meaning the DLC cost you the price of a second game (albeit a lower priced one but still much higher than average DLC costs). And yet they still managed to allow you to change you look for in game gold. Go figure.

TheBastion

To the OP:

Another MMORPG - which I will not name - did this set-up, as well. The thing that their model did was as follows:

You had to spend Real Life Money to purchase In-Game Currency (much like our Crowns) for the following:

• A token to change your hairstyle;
• A token to change your hairstyle and overall appearance;
• A token to change your name;
• A token to change your hairstyle, overall appearance, and your name.

Given the above, it's not too different from what ZOS is offering with the following:

• A token to change your appearance;
• A token to change your name;
• A token to change your race.

However, the similarities end there with the fact that ZOS gives us the option on the Crown Store to purchase a hairstyle bundle of the original 92 hairstyles/exclusive racial adornments (for Khajiit and Argonian), which - when purchased - you can use on the fly in the Collections menu, not unlike how you'd use a personality, a hat or a costume. Like any other collectible, you have those hairstyles on your account forever. On any character.

You don't have to buy more tokens just to change something as simple as your hairstyle once you have that bundle. It's a one-time purchase.

As far as the costume dye system is concerned, I don't see what the big deal is. If you're an ESO Plus subscriber, you get to dye your costume with dye you've already unlocked. But that's as far as it goes. If you're not an ESO Plus member, you can buy Dye Packs on the Crown Store to dye your costume regardless of whether or not you've unlocked that particular dye.

It's a pretty decent enough trade-off.

At the end of the day, how do you suppose a buy-to-play game like The Elder Scrolls Online will gain revenue outside of game sales? Especially since the main mode of revenue for such a model is through purchasing the game, presupposing there's still a steady player-base willing to purchase the game and try it out? What if there aren't any more new players? What if the other people just have no interest in playing this particular MMO?

What, then?

Obviously, you have a Cash Shop/Gem Store/Crown Store/What-Have-You to make up for the Buy-to-Play model by offering premium membership bonuses to loyal players, or purchasable quality-of-life and cosmetic items for players who'd like a little extra.

Frankly, I'm just glad ESO isn't a pay-to-win MMORPG, like a number of Free-to-Play MMORPGs out there.

We can nitpick all this all we want; but, at the end of the day, ZOS is a business, and businesses need revenue to keep the services they offer us intact and maintained to an up-and-running standard, or else they'll follow the path of MMORPGs like Warhammer Online that had to shut down. Imagine if ZOS and ESO followed that road because their business model was deemed too unfair or not too different from stealing, and then POOF, all your hard-earned time spent playing and investing in that game.

Gone. All because select players were sore about a business doing what's needed to make ends meet.

However, the caveat for ESO is that these modes of revenue aren't shoved in your face, apart from the odd Crown Store reminder window when you log in just to remind you of the current items on sale or trending. You purchase them or you don't, for whatever reason, and that's entirely up to you.

Stay in the game or quit, that's also up to you. I'm no apologist for this game despite my love for it. Hell, I hated it at launch. But that doesn't mean I won't defend it when it's one of the few Buy-to-Play/Free-to-Play MMORPGs today that offer quality-of-life improvements without being pay-to-win. Now THAT I can respect.

Just my two cents.

atreides

ZOS is not a charity people. If you can't afford crown items then that is really too bad.

CombatPrayer

atreides wrote: »

ZOS is not a charity people. If you can't afford crown items then that is really too bad.

They aren't a charity of course, but they don't run their business smartly. It doesn't take a genius to figure out (or maybe it does) that if you lower the prices of items you will sell more of them. People are more willing to part with money when they feel they are getting a better deal for it. And they are more willing to part with it more often because they don't remember feeling like they got fleeced the last time. They instead remember being happy they got to make that change and feeling like it was well worth the money they spent. It's consumer psychology. When businesses practice it they make far more in the long run then they do by overpricing leaving consumers feeling hesitant and reluctant about their present and future purchases. Having a reasonable price for these things (not making them the level of major DLC!) would have served them much better. But it is clear that whomever is running that aspect of the business does not understand the market, the consumers they serve, or savvy practices to gain them more good will and customers who are willing to spend more in the long run.

And yes I know what I am talking about. Sure you could pick a higher price but that shuts out part of the market. If you were selling something that required components that you had to buy and you wanted to quickly recoup the cost of those components, that has a sound logic to it but still it's not playing the long game. You want to create a good feeling among your customer base. They will be your bread and butter for years to come. Unless your target base is a bunch of elitist rich ***, (which there is a fortune to be made there from that tactic but ESO is not that demographic), you are cutting off your own nose to spite your face. I have read many times that people changed their mind of doing the change or only did one instead of several. Now if the price was lower, they would have had all that money rolling in just less per unit but far more over all. It's basic math. Selling something ten times at $20 gets them $200. Selling something thirty times at $10 gets them 300 plus it gives you good will if people found it reasonable which means they are more likely to spend with you again. People that are turned off by the initial price point are only like to purchase later if they feel they really must have it. In this case, most will decide they have had said character for X amount of time and have been content enough with it that wasting that amount of money (because they decided it was too much prior to this) would not be worth it. Then you have lost a sale and possibly a future customer.

cjthibs

autumnsongbird wrote: »

atreides wrote: »

ZOS is not a charity people. If you can't afford crown items then that is really too bad.

They aren't a charity of course, but they don't run their business smartly.

If they are making a profit, and the playerbase isn't leaving en masse (which they aren't) then they are running their business smartly.

The rest of your post was utterly meaningless.

natewook

cjthibs wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

atreides wrote: »

ZOS is not a charity people. If you can't afford crown items then that is really too bad.

They aren't a charity of course, but they don't run their business smartly.

If they are making a profit, and the playerbase isn't leaving en masse (which they aren't) then they are running their business smartly.

The rest of your post was utterly meaningless.

bro, you DO realize that post adds NOTHING to this topic right? it's just trolling.

cjthibs

natewook wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

atreides wrote: »

ZOS is not a charity people. If you can't afford crown items then that is really too bad.

They aren't a charity of course, but they don't run their business smartly.

If they are making a profit, and the playerbase isn't leaving en masse (which they aren't) then they are running their business smartly.

The rest of your post was utterly meaningless.

bro, you DO realize that post adds NOTHING to this topic right?

There is no substance to this topic to begin with.
None of us have seen ZoS's books. We have no idea what their business can tolerate. Furthermore, it is their decision to run it the way they see fit. If you don't like, make a suggestion, and don't buy the product, but whining endlessly about it accomplishes exactly zero.

If customers weren't buying the product in sufficient numbers the prices would drop, clearly that isn't happening. You people need to learn how to pick your battles.