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  • kadar
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    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
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    @The_Outsider and you deserve Insightful
  • raidentenshu_ESO
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    The_Outsider wrote: »
    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
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    Those who liked my original post are actually self hard working players who actually work for their real life money. Can you not blame them for supporting my alleged rant post?
  • Mojmir
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    The_Outsider wrote: »
    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
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    You first
    Edited by Mojmir on 5 August 2016 05:38
  • Wolfshead
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    You what bugs me most how lazy ZoS was to not put in a
    Kikazaru wrote: »
    I agree. I just want to make minor changes to most of my toons, but that cost waaaaay too much. ZoS, please listen to your playerbase! I saw a thread on here that offered some great ideas on how to implement a "barbershop" in-game.... all ignored.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165626/the-barber-shop-is-done-the-ignored-community-input-is-here

    Keep milking your precious cash cow, I am very disappointed with ZOS.

    I agree what i dont get is why ZoS have add a barbershop to the game i mean even Witcher 3 which is single RPG have barbershop in game honest if ZoS want ESO to still be MMORPG then add barbershop it is not that damn hard so people that really like RPG part of this game can feel this game is a MMORPG and stop become like WoW is today with just menu to everything that is not what MMORPG is all about.

    I understand and i get that ZoS want to earn money which the can do it is really simple way to do you can sell the new hairstyle basically everything in crown store which you do today but when we have "unlock"/buy only way we can change those thing well be in barbershop for a small sum of gold and gave us also a preview on change and same should go for Race change, Appearance Change also only be done in barbershop.

    And dont tell it cant be done for can WoW, SWTOR which are older then ESO do then you can do.

    One more ZoS serious make DLC pack with only 2 dungeon in and then make pay 2500 crown for it that even low for you guys this 2 dungeon could have easily add into DB DLC i would easy pay 2500 crown to get work barbershop which would work like should have then this lame excuse for DLC that we got.
    Edited by Wolfshead on 5 August 2016 07:38
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  • jedtb16_ESO
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    Eshelmen wrote: »
    Lol at the Zeni defenders

    "Don't buy it, you don't have to".
    Blah blah blah blah.
    Oh for christs sake, put a cork in it.

    You're getting ripped off... plain and simple.

    no i'm not getting ripped off - you know why?

    cos i'm not going to buy it
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    wonkydog wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
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    you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
    but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.
    7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

    perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

    Not everyone playing this game lives in a high wage country, so far from being peanuts, it can be a lot of money for some.

    in that case you need to prioritize your spending.....money for a completely unnecessary cosmetic change would not even be on the horizon for me if i were that poor - nor would a video game.
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    I would give zenimax every excuse, bugs wise (since ESO is a huge game). That, if i had seen some serious study and effort to balance some fundamental issues in this great game.

    1) Races: There were always OP races and after 2.5 years races are still not balanced

    2) Classes same as above and worst With continuous buffs and nerfs. Am sick and tired changing my builds with every other patch. Really why nerfing a nice and fun to play build and not buffing all others till gets to level?

    3) Skills same as all above and more. Every time they tweak something....=exploits.
    I always had the feeling that "skills" design dept. have no idea to what they are doing....
    And really why do they need people in PTS since they dont give damn to their remarks

    4) Rewards Are mostly crap. Really why endgame players still looting cp150 crap in Wroth?Any logical explanation???

    5)RNG? punishment? why frustrating us (your customers) zeni? Monster sets? Cyrolag boxes? prosperous and training for endgame? and many more.....Why?

    6)Technical issues: LAGGGGG for ever? "MEGA" servers...a jock? or how else can you explain game's behavior in prime times?

    7) Crown store: RIDICULOUS!!! Why race or name change costs more than a DLC?
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    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    natewook wrote: »
    natewook wrote: »
    you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
    but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.
    7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

    perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

    Not everyone playing this game lives in a high wage country, so far from being peanuts, it can be a lot of money for some.

    in that case you need to prioritize your spending.....money for a completely unnecessary cosmetic change would not even be on the horizon for me if i were that poor - nor would a video game.

    Thank you for your concern about my financial affairs, however, I can assure you that living in one of the highest earning parts of England means my finances are ok when it comes to spending $10 on items in a game (although if you want to knock 20% off the local house prices without causing a recession, that would be great)

    The point I was making was not on behalf of myself but more for those people who live in countries where the average wage is much lower than US/UK, for them, $10 is a much larger % of their income. If we take into account purchasing power of the same amount would you be happy to be spending $50 - $100 on minor things in the game. Suddenly it starts to become serious money
    Edited by Garldeen on 5 August 2016 08:07
  • Thetwano
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    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I agree with you! Final Fantasy 14 gives their players a free(FREE) bottle of fantasia after their 1st 30days, which can be used to reroll there ton's looks from the ground up, you name it; hair, race, sex, all of it, free! After that its $10, but! You can still get haircuts, hair color, lipstick/makeup, tattoos, etc.. done for 2,000gil of in-game money. So they allow a lot of customization for your toon well after you've gotten tired of how they look. It'd be nice if ESO allowed us a 1st time FREE plan. OR, if they charge us, it should work for all our toons. If I have to spend that same amount per toon... yikes.. no thanks!

  • Thetwano
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    I got to say.. I really hope they charge a crazy amount.. that way MOST peeps don't do it, and they don't make the cash they were hoping for. One way for a company to see the big picture, is by us closing our wallets.
  • Khairiah
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    Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

    Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..
    Edited by Khairiah on 5 August 2016 08:25
  • Thetwano
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    Khairiah wrote: »
    Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

    Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..

    MMOs are all about giving the player choices buddy! So NOT gonna happen. Don't like the posts? Move on!
  • Khairiah
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    Thetwano wrote: »
    Khairiah wrote: »
    Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

    Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..

    MMOs are all about giving the player choices buddy! So NOT gonna happen. Don't like the posts? Move on!

    Who says that it has to be like that without a cost? Is there a book of rules on how to build an MMO? And dont u have choices already? Its not like ur hands are tied when it comes to appearence.
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    I'd much rather they were charging prices like this for items no one needs while keeping respecs low and other things important to the game totally off the store.
  • Drakoleon
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    Khairiah wrote: »
    Thetwano wrote: »
    Khairiah wrote: »
    Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

    Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..

    MMOs are all about giving the player choices buddy! So NOT gonna happen. Don't like the posts? Move on!

    Who says that it has to be like that without a cost? Is there a book of rules on how to build an MMO? And dont u have choices already? Its not like ur hands are tied when it comes to appearence.

    Sorry mate but people like you and your "logic" motivates gaming companies to sell CRAP for GOLD
    There is no way changing appearance,name or race to cost the same or more from a DLC !

    Btw we are all here cause we loved the game and we wish to be the best of its kind!
    When 90% of the posts in this forum are resonable complains, bug repots etc and our "friends" lists depleting we must protest or.... quit!
    Unfortunatelly ESO is a masterpiece in wrong hands
  • AndyTGD
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    Does anyone else remember the Horse Armor controversy with Oblivion? Looks pretty silly now by comparison, doesn't it?
    The_Outsider wrote: »
    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
    ^

    Its called a polemic, not mere ranting. The op has laid out their position in a pretty reasoned-out way and even presented an alternative proposition for consideration. It seems that for some fascists these days, people are not allowed to voice frustrated disagreement (especially when its aimed at their sacred cows).

    Personally, I'm disappointed with the way Zenimax has handled this. Folks have been waiting over two years for a really basic feature which every other MMORPG has. Then it finally arrives, and what is it? Its basically the race menu with a new background and they're charging actual cash to use it for everything, even minor alterations and out-of-the-box styles. With no in-game currency alternative. What does this immediately convey to anyone paying attention to recent developments?
    1. Zenimax are unoriginal
    2. Zenimax are lazy/insanely understaffed
    3. Zenimax's execs want to milk you like a prize heifer
    Are we all tired of negativity? Sure. But it would really, really help if Zenimax would put more effort into the stuff they release. We all know about the Breton minecraft costume and the Dragon Priest onesie. We all know how PVP in Cyrodiil is as fun as having a knife-fight in a vat of treacle. We all know about how, writing-wise, ZOS is basically running on the fumes of Bethesda's previous games and lore. With effort this game could be amazing, but people are starting to freak out because it increasingly looks like ZOS' future business strategy is to milk and run with the bare minimum of effort. I'm hoping for more high-quality items in the future, with more original content, but only time will tell.
  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    The_Outsider wrote: »
    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
    ^

    Oh i dont know. It isnt any more shocking then how many awesomes or quotes a developer got for telling a concerned customer he could quit if he didnt like bugs in the game.
    Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on 5 August 2016 12:55
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    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    The_Outsider wrote: »
    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
    ^

    Oh i dont know. It isnt any more shocking then how many awesomes or quotes a developer got for telling a concerned customer he could quit if he didnt like bugs in the game.

    Technically he is right though. You don't have to be here. Goodness knows, if a game caused me as much anguish as it seems to cause some people on these forums, I'd just uninstall.
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  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    The_Outsider wrote: »
    raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »
    Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

    Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

    I'm flabbergasted by how many likes the community has given what is nothing more than an angry rant^
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?
    ^

    Oh i dont know. It isnt any more shocking then how many awesomes or quotes a developer got for telling a concerned customer he could quit if he didnt like bugs in the game.

    Technically he is right though. You don't have to be here. Goodness knows, if a game caused me as much anguish as it seems to cause some people on these forums, I'd just uninstall.

    Of course it is still horrible customer service. And look i didnt need to throw in a Technically to try to make a point that doesnt have much to do with anything. Technically no one has to be anywhere so there is no use to bring up your feelings about anything. Just let people do whatever and move on. Am i doing it right?
  • AndyTGD
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Technically he is right though. You don't have to be here. Goodness knows, if a game caused me as much anguish as it seems to cause some people on these forums, I'd just uninstall.
    Ok JD2013, I purchase an expensive vacuum cleaner and bring it home. I plug it in and instead of picking up dirt, the machine wheezes like an asthmatic and spreads the dirt around the floor. Using your logic, and the logic of the developer in question, I ought to just throw the machine in the bin and shrug off the financial loss. I don't have to use the machine and its causing me anguish. But you know you wouldn't do that, so why is it that you hold to a double standard when it comes to software?

    You would, minimally, attempt to get a refund. If it is not possible, you would certainly ask them if they could repair the faults, offer constructive criticism etc. Failing all that, if the manufacturer turned out to be a complete charlatan you'd most likely leave a negative review etc.
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?

    i think it maybe time to take zos up on this offer

    i played another ps4 game yesterday, it had frame rate, no lag, no game breaking bugs, no disconnects and all dlc included in price for £15

    “a no brainer” god i hate that saying
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    AndyTGD wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Technically he is right though. You don't have to be here. Goodness knows, if a game caused me as much anguish as it seems to cause some people on these forums, I'd just uninstall.
    Ok JD2013, I purchase an expensive vacuum cleaner and bring it home. I plug it in and instead of picking up dirt, the machine wheezes like an asthmatic and spreads the dirt around the floor. Using your logic, and the logic of the developer in question, I ought to just throw the machine in the bin and shrug off the financial loss. I don't have to use the machine and its causing me anguish. But you know you wouldn't do that, so why is it that you hold to a double standard when it comes to software?

    You would, minimally, attempt to get a refund. If it is not possible, you would certainly ask them if they could repair the faults, offer constructive criticism etc. Failing all that, if the manufacturer turned out to be a complete charlatan you'd most likely leave a negative review etc.

    And I actually agree with this. You would most certainly go and ask for a refund.

    However, with regards to ESO I have been able to play every night I've wanted to since April 2014 (not including beta.) with a minimum of problems. I've had 2 launcher problems (sorted helpfully by CS) and I've crashed maybe a total of 4 times in 2 years, 4 months of playtime. I've had a handful of quest bugs, and occasional big lag spikes in PVP. (Though admittedly I'm not an every night PVP'er)

    If the game was truly as broken as people make out, would I have been able to play that much?
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  • Bouldercleave
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    Eshelmen wrote: »
    Lol at the Zeni defenders

    "Don't buy it, you don't have to".
    Blah blah blah blah.
    Oh for christs sake, put a cork in it.

    You're getting ripped off... plain and simple.

    Not if you don't buy it. I like Ferraris, but they are more money than I want to spend so I don't own one. It's simple really - you can't have everything for free.
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    I agree, paying more money for in game haircut than real life haircut is just *** up
  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    AndyTGD wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Technically he is right though. You don't have to be here. Goodness knows, if a game caused me as much anguish as it seems to cause some people on these forums, I'd just uninstall.
    Ok JD2013, I purchase an expensive vacuum cleaner and bring it home. I plug it in and instead of picking up dirt, the machine wheezes like an asthmatic and spreads the dirt around the floor. Using your logic, and the logic of the developer in question, I ought to just throw the machine in the bin and shrug off the financial loss. I don't have to use the machine and its causing me anguish. But you know you wouldn't do that, so why is it that you hold to a double standard when it comes to software?

    You would, minimally, attempt to get a refund. If it is not possible, you would certainly ask them if they could repair the faults, offer constructive criticism etc. Failing all that, if the manufacturer turned out to be a complete charlatan you'd most likely leave a negative review etc.

    And I actually agree with this. You would most certainly go and ask for a refund.

    However, with regards to ESO I have been able to play every night I've wanted to since April 2014 (not including beta.) with a minimum of problems. I've had 2 launcher problems (sorted helpfully by CS) and I've crashed maybe a total of 4 times in 2 years, 4 months of playtime. I've had a handful of quest bugs, and occasional big lag spikes in PVP. (Though admittedly I'm not an every night PVP'er)

    If the game was truly as broken as people make out, would I have been able to play that much?

    Because your experiences are exactly the same as everyone elses, and you all do exactly the same things? Am I right?

    Any way lets go back to the vacuum cleaner example you said you agree with. Let us say you got a broken one but Bill and I got a working ones. Now because our experiences are good, that means obviously you are lying about your broken vacuum?

    Not everyone has the same experiences. Or uses the game the same way.
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    I haven't seen this much agreement since adding impen to the loots tables thread .

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    JD2013 wrote: »
    AndyTGD wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Technically he is right though. You don't have to be here. Goodness knows, if a game caused me as much anguish as it seems to cause some people on these forums, I'd just uninstall.
    Ok JD2013, I purchase an expensive vacuum cleaner and bring it home. I plug it in and instead of picking up dirt, the machine wheezes like an asthmatic and spreads the dirt around the floor. Using your logic, and the logic of the developer in question, I ought to just throw the machine in the bin and shrug off the financial loss. I don't have to use the machine and its causing me anguish. But you know you wouldn't do that, so why is it that you hold to a double standard when it comes to software?

    You would, minimally, attempt to get a refund. If it is not possible, you would certainly ask them if they could repair the faults, offer constructive criticism etc. Failing all that, if the manufacturer turned out to be a complete charlatan you'd most likely leave a negative review etc.

    And I actually agree with this. You would most certainly go and ask for a refund.

    However, with regards to ESO I have been able to play every night I've wanted to since April 2014 (not including beta.) with a minimum of problems. I've had 2 launcher problems (sorted helpfully by CS) and I've crashed maybe a total of 4 times in 2 years, 4 months of playtime. I've had a handful of quest bugs, and occasional big lag spikes in PVP. (Though admittedly I'm not an every night PVP'er)

    If the game was truly as broken as people make out, would I have been able to play that much?

    As you say, it depends on which aspect of the game you're playing on a regular basis. If you're a regular PVEer, you're going to find few problems in general. Its a very serviceable game, which isn't terribly surprising considering that Zenimax has diverted so many resources into creating PVE content. I recently had issues with some Craglorn dungeons, but that's fairly irregular and to be expected. PVP on the other hand varies wildly between meh and completely unplayable, depending on how many players are online etc. I used to play quite a bit of PVP, but I play almost none of it these days because it has been literally not fit for purpose for a while now. I regularly got lag spikes, crashing, attack animation swapping, siege weapons malfunctioning, sound cutting out completely etc. This was before the exploit fiasco recently. The reason people keep playing is generally because the PVE component of ESO is workable. It can get pretty boring and repetitive, but it at least is functional. PVP is the broken vacuum cleaner and a pretty massive part of the game's identity (if, sadly, not its content). So, yep, people have had very good reason for complaining over the past few months. At least on this particular topic.
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    Khairiah wrote: »
    Enuf with theese posts already.. u are not forced to buy anything in this game.. U could have made a proper looking char with a proper name from the start.. Stop the Q.Qing about crown store prices.. *makes puking noice* Deal with the choices u made at first or pay the darn price if ur unhappy with it..

    Edit: Or even better.. Stop playing if ur so unsatisfied about everything in this game..

    Changing hair colour, eye colour, beard etc are all things that people like to do for FUN.

    LOTRO is Free To Play and from the get-go I can take my character to an actual barbershop in game, sit down, and change my hair and eye colour for a mere pittance. This = immersion. Paying 10$ per minor tweak, which does nothing but take you back to what is essentially character creation, is NOT immersive, takes away from the fun, and is a cheap excuse to gouge players.

    You are not a superior person just because YOU want to keep an unchanging character forever.
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    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Eshelmen wrote: »
    Lol at the Zeni defenders

    "Don't buy it, you don't have to".
    Blah blah blah blah.
    Oh for christs sake, put a cork in it.

    You're getting ripped off... plain and simple.

    Not if you don't buy it. I like Ferraris, but they are more money than I want to spend so I don't own one. It's simple really - you can't have everything for free.

    Are you seriously comparing changing a character's makeup to a Ferrari?

    As a subscriber I would prefer that minor tweaks such as hair colour be for in game gold. I would *prefer* not to be gouged for an inferior product. There is zero reason that the minorest of tweaks be bundled with complete physical character changes.

    What ZOS is doing is charging you the price of a Ferrari for what is essentially an oil change.
    Edited by moonbat on 5 August 2016 15:52
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