ZoS, we are NOT with you!

chess1ukb16_ESO

Crown store direction is concerning me as it could ruin Housing DLC which should have a very emphasis on craftable items.

natewook

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

No worries xbox one players! A super duper xbox one is on its way! Soon even console players will be told to upgrade their specs!

Garldeen

Snowstrider wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

Elloa wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?

Wow! Did he really say that ?!
So, he is very confident about the game .Good to know.
Edit: Or is he challenging us?

The guy to whom he answered that was extremly rude for not much reason though. It's dangerous to take things out of context!

He was not extremely rude, he asked about the console issues in a topic that was casually about Rich and how he plays the game. It was off-topic, sure, and it was a complaint, yes.

But then again, reading all of the issues console users have had since Dark Brotherhood and not receiving any developer comment on the issues, but to see a developer comment like 20 times in a casual thread - I can understand the frustration.

Xbox player here... The game is a mess now on console,you cant even go into orsinium...
Constant crashes and loading screens, takes long to load npcs,mobs and players...
The low framerate...
Zos should seriosly give out free crowns as an apology to the paying customers.
We deserve an apology and quality,If We are put up with this madness and overpriced crown store items We should get something for The mess We have been put up with.

But i guess Zos cares more about money than us

They should refund your DLC price if you cannot access the area

Patouf

ZoS, We are with you. 4 pages

ZoS, We are NOT with you. 14 pages



Analytical players who want to go further and make ESO better VS Satisfied players who want to thank the good work

Or maybe that is just about players personality :
Moaners VS FanBoy

Lysette

Patouf wrote: »

ZoS, We are with you. 4 pages

ZoS, We are NOT with you. 14 pages



Analytical players who want to go further and make ESO better VS Satisfied players who want to thank the good work

Or maybe that is just about players personality :
Moaners VS FanBoy

I think it is more about from what perspective you look at ESO - from a casual low level perspective, the game works pretty well, if you are on PC, and you cannot really understand why people complain that much - while when you look deeper and do not just look at what bugs or not bugs you personally, you can see, that there is a lot not right with the game - especially on console. And these totally different perspectives on the game lead to such totally different evaluations.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Lysette wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

ZoS, We are with you. 4 pages

ZoS, We are NOT with you. 14 pages



Analytical players who want to go further and make ESO better VS Satisfied players who want to thank the good work

Or maybe that is just about players personality :
Moaners VS FanBoy

I think it is more about from what perspective you look at ESO - from a causal low level perspective, the game works pretty well, if you are on PC, and you cannot really understand why people complain that much - while when you look deeper and do not just look at what bugs or not bugs you personally, you can see, that there is a lot not right with the game - especially on console. And these totally different perspectives on the game lead to such totally different evaluations.

This is what so many people forget. I think everyone has the tendancy to think everyone on the interwebs is just like them. They all do the same things and play the same way.

A problem that might drive me nuts someone else might never see because they never even do what I am doing.

Lysette

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

ZoS, We are with you. 4 pages

ZoS, We are NOT with you. 14 pages



Analytical players who want to go further and make ESO better VS Satisfied players who want to thank the good work

Or maybe that is just about players personality :
Moaners VS FanBoy

I think it is more about from what perspective you look at ESO - from a causal low level perspective, the game works pretty well, if you are on PC, and you cannot really understand why people complain that much - while when you look deeper and do not just look at what bugs or not bugs you personally, you can see, that there is a lot not right with the game - especially on console. And these totally different perspectives on the game lead to such totally different evaluations.

This is what so many people forget. I think everyone has the tendancy to think everyone on the interwebs is just like them. They all do the same things and play the same way.

A problem that might drive me nuts someone else might never see because they never even do what I am doing.

Exactly - and if they are not interested in that content, which is bugged, they might never experience any problems at all and just enjoy the game at it's best - and then they want to praise it of course - I can understand that. But then I see what console players showed in videos and this would make me quit if I would be in their place - I would not want to put up with this crap.

Totally different experiences.

Lysette

I mean someone who is experiencing lag and loading screens in the middle of combat and is dying by reasons, which are not his fault at all, might just get angry, when he sees me and others complain about costumes - because he has far worse problems then this. But from my perspective, the game works very well for me and so I am interested in "first world problems" like things which bug me with costume design and missing costumes on the crown store and so - that is from my perspective explainable, because the game runs well for me, I have no issues - and so I complain about things, which are minor to those, for whom the game runs horrible of course.

natewook

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

DeadDealer

waiting for fixes of bugs...

Lysette

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

Well, name change is so expensive, because people can choose non-appropriate names or names, which are meant to troll other players, and this means, there could be manual GM activity involved, like dealing with reports related to trolling or harassment with inappropriate names, those might have to be removed, later the GM will have to check back, if the new name is appropriate or even ban the troll and so on - things which are staff intensive cost real money and this is reflected in this price. And it keeps people from trying offensive actions like this.

EölMPK

Although I think its overpriced, this is not mandatory, its optional, so thats ok. Lots of games make their money selling skins and cosmetic stuff, nothing new here

natewook

Lysette wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

Well, name change is so expensive, because people can choose non-appropriate names or names, which are meant to troll other players, and this means, there could be manual GM activity involved, like dealing with reports related to trolling or harassment with inappropriate names, those might have to be removed, later the GM will have to check back, if the new name is appropriate or even ban the troll and so on - things which are staff intensive cost real money and this is reflected in this price. And it keeps people from trying offensive actions like this.

AND you have that same problem with new characters, only a little worse because new players are the ones who see those and get bad impressions or the game. and plus think about it, which would trolls prefer pay cash and fund eso to troll, or just make a new character to troll with for free? therefore I'm afraid your answer doesn't make much since.

jedtb16_ESO

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

moonbat

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

10$ USD is *not* mere 'peanuts' when all I want to do is change my hair colour. In LOTRO I can go to an actual NPC barber, sit down in a chair, and change my hair colour for in game currency. In real life, I can dye my waist length hair for 2$ out of a box. It is completely absurd and utterly ridiculous that a simple hair colour change in a video game should cost so much.

Garldeen

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

Not everyone playing this game lives in a high wage country, so far from being peanuts, it can be a lot of money for some.

DenMoria

moonbat wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

10$ USD is *not* mere 'peanuts' when all I want to do is change my hair colour. In LOTRO I can go to an actual NPC barber, sit down in a chair, and change my hair colour for in game currency. In real life, I can dye my waist length hair for 2$ out of a box. It is completely absurd and utterly ridiculous that a simple hair colour change in a video game should cost so much.

Please. Don't die your waist length hair with a $2 box of dye. Please, die it with at least a $4.50 box of Clarol. I'd hate to see you see you ruin your hair.

And, yes $10 USD is peanuts. Besides, it's not just your hair you get to change. I don't think the appearance change thing is available a'la'carte.

DenMoria

wonkydog wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

Not everyone playing this game lives in a high wage country, so far from being peanuts, it can be a lot of money for some.

True, but it's still peanuts in USD. Most of us spend more than that on coffee in the morning. We're an awfully spoiled bunch actually, and we forget that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily live at our standards.

Lysette

natewook wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

Well, name change is so expensive, because people can choose non-appropriate names or names, which are meant to troll other players, and this means, there could be manual GM activity involved, like dealing with reports related to trolling or harassment with inappropriate names, those might have to be removed, later the GM will have to check back, if the new name is appropriate or even ban the troll and so on - things which are staff intensive cost real money and this is reflected in this price. And it keeps people from trying offensive actions like this.

AND you have that same problem with new characters, only a little worse because new players are the ones who see those and get bad impressions or the game. and plus think about it, which would trolls prefer pay cash and fund eso to troll, or just make a new character to troll with for free? therefore I'm afraid your answer doesn't make much since.

the name changed character is an experienced on - the new one is a level 3 character - all the trolled one has to do is to go to a zone where the troll will just die when he goes there.

bryanhaas

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

Would you rather you had no choice?

moonbat

DenMoria wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

10$ USD is *not* mere 'peanuts' when all I want to do is change my hair colour. In LOTRO I can go to an actual NPC barber, sit down in a chair, and change my hair colour for in game currency. In real life, I can dye my waist length hair for 2$ out of a box. It is completely absurd and utterly ridiculous that a simple hair colour change in a video game should cost so much.

Please. Don't die your waist length hair with a $2 box of dye. Please, die it with at least a $4.50 box of Clarol. I'd hate to see you see you ruin your hair.

And, yes $10 USD is peanuts. Besides, it's not just your hair you get to change. I don't think the appearance change thing is available a'la'carte.

If I just want to change my hair colour, and I do *not* want to change the physical aspects of my entire character, then I should be able to pay JUST FOR THAT, as in LOTRO. Hair colour is bundled up with entire physical character change, which bumps the price up for hair colour unecessarily.

And I hate to say this, but check your privilege. 10$ USD to change your hair colour might mean nothing to you, but it is a lot for other people, especially students.

AndyTGD

What is it with these discussions that brings out the bourgeois snob in so many people?

Relatively_Poor_Person: "I think its a bit unreasonable that the developers charge so much for this feature. Perhaps they should reconsider."

Mr_Moneybags_l33t: "Hur hur hur! What is this I hear peasant? Entitlement, that's what! Why, ten dollars for a virtual haircut is peanuts! Get a better job! That's what I and my acquaintances spend on a cup of coffee every morning, as I use my man servant as a footstool."


Personally, I've been very pleased with ZOS' business model in recent times, compared to the competition. They've been quite reasonable with the amount of content one receives in the base game and haven't gone around intentionally limiting content such as clothing so that they can sell it to you for 30 quid (cough, Black Desert, cough). The store has been reasonable enough and it isn't "Pay to Win". But not providing basic aesthetic changes to characters for in-game currency (as well as a Crowns option) just seems unnecessarily unreasonable, especially considering the amount of time that players have been waiting for this lazy "race-menu"-esque system to be put in place.

DenMoria

moonbat wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

7 posts, but yet 0 logical answers. in fact, no one even tried answering.

perhaps because there is not much to answer there. its peanuts to change name and appearance, i really don't see what the fuss is about. you don't like the price don't buy the goods... it's easy.

10$ USD is *not* mere 'peanuts' when all I want to do is change my hair colour. In LOTRO I can go to an actual NPC barber, sit down in a chair, and change my hair colour for in game currency. In real life, I can dye my waist length hair for 2$ out of a box. It is completely absurd and utterly ridiculous that a simple hair colour change in a video game should cost so much.

Please. Don't die your waist length hair with a $2 box of dye. Please, die it with at least a $4.50 box of Clarol. I'd hate to see you see you ruin your hair.

And, yes $10 USD is peanuts. Besides, it's not just your hair you get to change. I don't think the appearance change thing is available a'la'carte.

If I just want to change my hair colour, and I do *not* want to change the physical aspects of my entire character, then I should be able to pay JUST FOR THAT, as in LOTRO. Hair colour is bundled up with entire physical character change, which bumps the price up for hair colour unecessarily.

And I hate to say this, but check your privilege. 10$ USD to change your hair colour might mean nothing to you, but it is a lot for other people, especially students.

Well, du'h! As I said. Those of us out in the world of the US adult population tend to forget that $10 USD can be a lot of money to some people.

And I don't disagree with you about all appearances changes being bundled in together... well...

moonbat

AndyTGD wrote: »

What is it with these discussions that brings out the bourgeois snob in so many people?

Relatively_Poor_Person: "I think its a bit unreasonable that the developers charge so much for this feature. Perhaps they should reconsider."

Mr_Moneybags_l33t: "Hur hur hur! What is this I hear peasant? Entitlement, that's what! Why, ten dollars for a virtual haircut is peanuts! Get a better job! That's what I and my acquaintances spend on a cup of coffee every morning, as I use my man servant as a footstool."


Personally, I've been very pleased with ZOS' business model in recent times, compared to the competition. They've been quite reasonable with the amount of content one receives in the base game and haven't gone around intentionally limiting content such as clothing so that they can sell it to you for 30 quid (cough, Black Desert, cough). The store has been reasonable enough and it isn't "Pay to Win". But not providing basic aesthetic changes to characters for in-game currency (as well as a Crowns option) just seems unnecessarily unreasonable, especially considering the amount of time that players have been waiting for this lazy "race-menu"-esque system to be put in place.

Anyone who is not willing to pay 10$ USD every time they use a wayshrine is an entitled, spoilt brat! After all, 10$ is mere couch-change to those of us who are elite, and it's not like anyone really *needs* to use a wayshrine now is it?

DeadlyRecluse

I'm with ZOS, to be honest.

There are a few things that I don't agree with, balance-wise, but I'll never complain about crown prices and whatnot. They provide a service I enjoy at a pricepoint I find reasonable.

Patouf

From the technical issues perspective, it seems that the only e-sport is about ZOS Bashing.

EDIT : That is the game. Unfortunately or maybe fully deserved ?

Bouldercleave

I have to say that I'm kind of ambiguous to the whole issue.

On the one hand, I do feel that the price of an appearance, race, name change is on the high side.

On the other hand, it is an OPTIONAL service - so I simply won't partake. That's the glory of an optional system. If you feel the price is too high, don't buy it. If enough people don't partake, then the price will go down.

$10.00 bucks is a pittance to some, and a stretch for others - but that doesn't really matter at all, does it? If you have the means and think the price is fair then you will buy it. In my case, I have the means, but think the price is high so I will not buy.

This is economics 101 people - Supply and demand. They have the supply, but in this case, demand dictates the price.

BenLocoDete

natewook wrote: »

you know, i get why the race changer isn't cheep. eso clearly didn't want everyone changing there race as they change gear sets, i mean that would add massive stress on the severs and hurt PVP and i don't really know how many other things as well.
but i don't understand why name and appearance change is SO expensive, i mean it's not like those changes re-tool entire builds or effect PVP or PVE at all. and at best all most people want to do is just change there characters eye shape, or change there name for example form Mr, tunabreath to khad'dar.

Agreed, they should have made it like the barber shop discussion suggested, gold based barber available in cities and then make gender/race/class change available through the crown store but they try to cash in on everything.

Eshelmen

Lol at the Zeni defenders

"Don't buy it, you don't have to".
Blah blah blah blah.
Oh for christs sake, put a cork in it.

You're getting ripped off... plain and simple.