Please eliminate the Insightful, Agree and Awesome ranking system on forum posts

whitecrow · July 2022

No, it's nice to see someone has found one of my posts to have a little "extra" that helped them in some way, or even just made them laugh.

Carcamongus · July 2022

I'm not used to participating in forums, so the reaction options are a useful way for me to analyze the quality of what I post. It's not an exact science, but it's helpful.

Yakidafi · July 2022

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

@Grizzbeorn there were never a disagree button, or you mean lol button? Then I agree with you

Downvoting is okey imo as long as it do not remove the post or make it less visible. Better for a healthy social environment.

zaria · July 2022

This one is only here to farm Insightful and Awesome, please support hard working Khajiit.

Dojohoda · July 2022

Feedback is nice to have.

zaria · July 2022

Yakidafi wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

@Grizzbeorn there were never a disagree button, or you mean lol button? Then I agree with you

Downvoting is okey imo as long as it do not remove the post or make it less visible. Better for a healthy social environment.

The LOL button was designed for funny post like this one.

Why do Argonians keep bananas in cages

Or meme stuff like: Your random dungeon group is ready.

People used it as an disagree button then people tried to make serious posts but it came out just stupid as in ranting about why their 1vX build mostly failed as in you killed the 5 at the flag but the others then killed you.

xaraan · July 2022

It's VERY helpful when you see a back and forth on a topic and see one side constantly getting 20+ agrees and the other side getting like 4.

spartaxoxo · July 2022

xaraan wrote: »

It's VERY helpful when you see a back and forth on a topic and see one side constantly getting 20+ agrees and the other side getting like 4.

Not really. It really only tells you who happens to be in that thread, and people happy with status quo tend to be underrepresented. Take a look at AWA for example. Anytime that got suggested, the yays usually had it. Because people who would have voted nay had no reason to think it was coming or any complaints to be monitoring for those types of threads. But, when it came out the population of the game went down quite a bit. And there was a massive meltdown on the forums. Turns out that change was far, FAR more controversial than the forums made it look.

TaSheen · July 2022

Self edited, sorry, wrong thread.

DreamyLu · July 2022

What I would like is simply an "agree" and "disagree", optionally a "like".

A big part of the topics in this forum are a matter of opinion and for me:
- If someone's reply is matching what I think, I like to agree on it rather than adding one more copy/paste reply.
- For all those topics, I find the amount of "agree" a very interesting information.

I would very much regret if it would be removed.

WinterHeart626 · July 2022

Mmm, I’d certainly enjoy a laughter button, a nope button and one that auto tags an admin just for kicks 🤷🏻‍♂️ Granted we won’t get that last one because admins DO have work to do 😂

Paulytnz · July 2022

Well I guess that's one way to get people to click on the "agree", "insightful" or "awesome" option - create a thread asking for their removal lol!

xgoku1 · July 2022

I would prefer a simple upvote/downvote system. It's not perfect, people tend to get brigade-y and farm points and all that, but I find alternative systems to be kinda pointless in comparison. The one ESO forums uses reminds me of Facebook's.

People are going to try to make anything a clout chase, even something like Twitter that doesn't have a like/dislike system has the "L+Ratio" thing.

Cadbury · July 2022

On another forum I peruse, they have a similar setup like this forum. Except that when you hover over your Agrees, Awesomes, etc. it shows the name of the posters who gave you that feedback.

For example: "Cadbury liked your post.", Cadbury thought your post was awesome" and so on.

I wonder what would happen if that was added to our forums...

dmnqwk · July 2022

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

Or they simply need to create forums that separate under 30s from over 30s so we can have fewer reddit-style abusive situations and more impactful discussions I mean come on! What kind of disgusting behaviour are you trying to encourage with downvoting into oblivion nonsense. Either articulate why you disagree or accept their opinion is valid!

Drammanoth · July 2022

EnerG wrote: »

Shouldnt be removed, but a respectfully disagree button needs added,

ohhh, this is a FANTASTIC idea!

Lapin_Logic · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

This system is not necessary and it's not helpful in any way. Forum posts don't need to be ranked or approved of by other players.

..Not sure id I "Agree" or if I more find this "Insightful" 🤔

Grizzbeorn · July 2022

Yakidafi wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

@Grizzbeorn there were never a disagree button, or you mean lol button? Then I agree with you

Downvoting is okey imo as long as it do not remove the post or make it less visible. Better for a healthy social environment.

I wasn't being completely serious. We don't have a Disagree button or rep system for a specific reason; one that I'm fine with.
My post was mainly a response to the OP's imperious attitude with his post.

Aislinna · July 2022

dmnqwk wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

Or they simply need to create forums that separate under 30s from over 30s so we can have fewer reddit-style abusive situations and more impactful discussions I mean come on! What kind of disgusting behaviour are you trying to encourage with downvoting into oblivion nonsense. Either articulate why you disagree or accept their opinion is valid!

I've seen quite a few posts on this very forum that paraphrase as "I'm over 50 and will be whatever type of a-hole I want to be", so please don't think all the abuse is from younger people. Disgusting behaviour comes from all ages.

Grizzbeorn · July 2022

dmnqwk wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

What is needed is a return of the Disagree button, and a rep system so that posts with silly opinions can be downvoted to Oblivion.

Or they simply need to create forums that separate under 30s from over 30s so we can have fewer reddit-style abusive situations and more impactful discussions I mean come on! What kind of disgusting behaviour are you trying to encourage with downvoting into oblivion nonsense. Either articulate why you disagree or accept their opinion is valid!

Well, I'm starting to regret the 'Insightful' reaction I gave you in the LA thread, if you are this prone to completely over-reacting.
I would think someone like you would have been able to tell that I was being tongue-in-cheek with the reference I was making to the OP with my "nonsense." But I guess I misread you, just as you did me.

I say again, I was not being serious. I definitely do not think we need a Disagree button. There is a good reason why we don't have that, or a rep system.

The OP's imperious attitude rubbed me the wrong way, so I responded with a quip.

EdmondDontes · July 2022

Doesn't anyone else think we need to get away from the social media inspired "like" and "dislike" baloney? Can't anyone have a discussion now days without the need for "likes"?

Instead of measuring the quality of a discussion based on how many people "liked" you, why don't we all just learn to have a discussion and actually base the worthiness of the discussion on the merits rather than the "likes"?

Social media has corrupted the brains of the masses, and this is one way it's done it. Being popular IS NOT the same as being right or worthy. If you're basing the worthiness of yourself or your comment based on the number of "likes", you're not thinking, you're doing it wrong.

Grizzbeorn · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Doesn't anyone else think we need to get away from the social media inspired "like" and "dislike" baloney? Can't anyone have a discussion now days without the need for "likes"?

Instead of measuring the quality of a discussion based on how many people "liked" you, why don't we all just learn to have a discussion and actually base the worthiness of the discussion on the merits rather than the "likes"?

Social media has corrupted the brains of the masses, and this is one way it's done it. Being popular IS NOT the same as being right or worthy. If you're basing the worthiness of yourself or your comment based on the number of "likes", you're not thinking, you're doing it wrong.

If you had made this your opening post -- actually explaining your thought process -- instead of just making a terse proclamation, maybe you would have actually gotten a discussion rather than knee-jerk reactions.

InvitationNotFound · July 2022

So this thread is to farm insightful, agree and awesome? Very nice

Thx OP

chattygeekHD · July 2022

But if you don't like the buttons.. The easy answer is don't use them, right?
And if you don't see the point.. The answer is don't take any notice of them, right?

I mean.. you don't actually see the agree / insightful / awesome count until you hover the mouse over..

I've said before - I'd quite like a "curious" button.

And although I'm being a bit sarcky... I do see the point in them. They are a good way of people feeling good about their own contributions, and for people to help them feel good by clicking a selection of buttons.

I quite like seeing how many agrees / awesomes / insightfuls I've had. It helps to eliminate feeling excluded and not fitting in. It's sometimes a bit flattening when you add a comment or make a post and it gets ignored. At least the buttons reduce the chance of that happening.

VaranisArano · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Doesn't anyone else think we need to get away from the social media inspired "like" and "dislike" baloney? Can't anyone have a discussion now days without the need for "likes"?

Instead of measuring the quality of a discussion based on how many people "liked" you, why don't we all just learn to have a discussion and actually base the worthiness of the discussion on the merits rather than the "likes"?

Social media has corrupted the brains of the masses, and this is one way it's done it. Being popular IS NOT the same as being right or worthy. If you're basing the worthiness of yourself or your comment based on the number of "likes", you're not thinking, you're doing it wrong.

But I'm not doing any of this?

I evaluated your suggestion on the merits, thought about how I use reactions as a frequent forum posters, and decided I thought it would negatively impact my experience here. As I stated, reactions are useful for more than just popularity markers.

I wrote my first comment not to farm likes or getting validation, but because I've seen ZOS decide that lack of disagreement = tacit approval before. So I spoke up, rather that stay silent and maybe find myself wishing I'd said something before ZOS made up their mind to change things.

Aside from the tongue-in-cheek reaction farming that happens on any post like this, I find that it's best to assume that most forum posters are sharing their opinions in good faith because they love ESO and they love talking about it.

So, uh, no I'm not particularly worried that positive-only forum reactions are sapping our ability to engage with discussions on their merits or inspiring us to post stuff we don't agree with in order to farm "likes."

BretonMage · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Doesn't anyone else think we need to get away from the social media inspired "like" and "dislike" baloney? Can't anyone have a discussion now days without the need for "likes"?

Instead of measuring the quality of a discussion based on how many people "liked" you, why don't we all just learn to have a discussion and actually base the worthiness of the discussion on the merits rather than the "likes"?

Social media has corrupted the brains of the masses, and this is one way it's done it. Being popular IS NOT the same as being right or worthy. If you're basing the worthiness of yourself or your comment based on the number of "likes", you're not thinking, you're doing it wrong.

I myself deeply dislike the upvote/downvote system of Reddit or the emotive reactions in FB, and I think the "agree" button here does not operate the same way, not least because there is no "disagree" button to make things a popularity contest. I think here it really is as simple as: Do people agree with you, and do they care enough to post a reaction? People on this forum have strong opinions about the game, and it's normal for them to want to express their opinion, to agree with some posts or to support posts that are in disagreement.

dmnqwk · July 2022

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Well, I'm starting to regret the 'Insightful' reaction I gave you in the LA thread, if you are this prone to completely over-reacting.
I would think someone like you would have been able to tell that I was being tongue-in-cheek with the reference I was making to the OP with my "nonsense." But I guess I misread you, just as you did me.
The OP's imperious attitude rubbed me the wrong way, so I responded with a quip.

Hello!

This is actually a lot more pertinent to the discussion than it might appear at first glance - the ability to misconstrue events and meanings.

The whole point about age is just a drop in the ocean of how different cultures, different age groups, genders, upbringings can lead to people who think there is overreaction or aggression. It's impossible to understand completely why someone makes a comment or approaches a topic from a certain way and so the modern approach of only letting the positives be viewed is better.

In the past, as you probably know, social media quite liked the idea of showing both sides of the argument - likes and dislikes - but unfortunately the negative aspect of things was often used by people more vehemently and ferociously than the positive upsides (1 bad review is worth 10 positive ones, or something akin to that). Slowly, social media started to understand this and began to remove the options to be publicly negative, because it failed to help anybody, only leading to death and destruction (of the positive nature of the debate/discussion).

I believe you when you say it was a tongue in cheek moment, I definitely would not behoove anyone for bringing mirth to the forums, because separating over and under 30s would definitely NOT bring a derth of negative feedback on EITHER side, since tempered steel still cuts deeply.

In other news, I do like the idea of a 'respectfully disagree' button, but still (unfortunately) feel it wouldn't be a positive change that would spark merriment and beneficial discussions because, again, people are far more likely to use negative tools than positive ones when producing feedback.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Doesn't anyone else think we need to get away from the social media inspired "like" and "dislike" baloney? Can't anyone have a discussion now days without the need for "likes"?

Instead of measuring the quality of a discussion based on how many people "liked" you, why don't we all just learn to have a discussion and actually base the worthiness of the discussion on the merits rather than the "likes"?

Social media has corrupted the brains of the masses, and this is one way it's done it. Being popular IS NOT the same as being right or worthy. If you're basing the worthiness of yourself or your comment based on the number of "likes", you're not thinking, you're doing it wrong.

I don't "do" social media, I think it's a plague. (and the insistence some game companies have on pushing their important communications over there, or trying to bribe people to follow them with game perks, is obnoxious)

That said, I think the Insightful/Agree/Awesome system is a bit more useful than just "likes". Well, when it's being used straightforwardly, instead of in the humorous way it is on your first post in this thread.

(downvoting, on the other hand, is just a recipe for more online griefers having a field day)

SimonThesis · July 2022

I like the reactions we have now, but I would like a disagree button. A disagree button would prevent a lot of back and forth forum arguments and flaming etc. Maybe even make the amount of disagrees not visible to the poster, just everyone else so that no one tries to collect disagrees. Though it could prevent someone from bringing up a really good point out of laziness.

Kahnak · July 2022

You know what is a huge problem? This thing that isn't a problem.