asuzab16_ESO wrote: »

I am surprised by the results of this poll.

Yes, higher difficulty is often associated with frustration but it also brings a lot to immersion, combat, social aspects of the game. The game is still enjoyable without it but it becomes only a mere shadow of what it could be and has to offer.

Higher difficulty brings rage and frustration. Both of those emotions KILL my immersion. Dying and rezzing and killing the same trash ad nauseum KILLS my immersion. Trying to get people to help solo me with quests KILLS my immersion, especially if I end up having to indulge in real world-referencing conversation in the process. I'm not going to do it.

I might bang my head against said content for an hour or two alone, then google stuff (another immersion killer). But after that, I'm going to walk away, because there's enough garbage IRL to cheese me off-- just read the news. Games are an escape for me. I don't need the same negative emotional junk following me into a virtual world.

In my case, the main reason I get bored of an MMO is if it has an unchallenging world and it is the case with ESO too. The world doesn't provide me with occasions of using the potential of my class, to improve myself or to socialize to overcome difficulties.

I'm 100% in favor of voluntary systems that let you have your cake without peeing on mine.

I am curious to know when players started hating challenge in video games. I don't know if it's a generational issue, but it seems like at some point, players started liking being unchallenged because that makes them feel stronger and in control, rather than having to improve themselves and feel happy with the results.

And what generation might this be? Generations have nothing to do with individual preference. This Gen-Xer has always used casual settings in every game she's played since she began actively gaming in 2003. So, if that's a generational thing, then go us! It's about time we're being heard

To quote the lovely Depeche Mode song, "Different people have different needs."

Personally, I am sad to see that ESO's quests and zones exploration have to be seperated from challenging content and class gameplay learning. I strongly believe that the world of ESO would be way more captivating if the difficulty was increased and players were able to face danger in the zones.

Not sure if you've been reading this thread at all, but plenty of us have had tons of challenge in overland questing, almost to the point of quitting. If that's not "danger," then I don't know what is. I'm sorry you're not having the danger you crave. I get lots of danger IRL when I drive on California's jam-packed highways. You should try it sometime.

I am currently playing through the Murkmire story and I hate that bosses looking tougher than the Hulk on Steroids die before I can even finish one cycle of my rotation.

I wish there was some easy way to increase the difficulty, like a switch. I know I could disable my CP, then later enable again, or switch out my gear for some crap, but the first one is inconventient and the second solution would mean to lose another 12 inventory slots.

I am really against changing difficulty of the game, but as a player you should have an option to chose between normal and veteran difficulty.

BNOC wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Start from scratch on a new virgin no cp account, then come back and discuss.

We all started on a virgin account with no CP, without a lot of what is available today.

Playing now with a scaling environment, no limitations and whatever else has changed, not to mention all the resources to learn the game you could possibly want, would be much easier, don't you think?

You can finish nMA naked at level 20 - Overland content is even easier than that, it shouldn't be that easy.

Based on that, content should be upped in difficulty, it's much easier today than it ever was.

barney2525 wrote: »

I don't play games for the STRUGGLE.
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You want to make it more challenging for yourself? Fine. Pick ONE ability and only use that. Don't use any other buttons. Just light attack, heavy attack and ONE ability. Don't even slot anything else.

I imagine what the OP was getting at is that what you described as "a challenge" is actually unbelievably easy to do, you could actually even drop the skill and manage overland (many new players do, let alone a vet).

You might not play games for the struggle, but do you play them for the thumb twiddling?

Funny thing is, this is basically my crafter, she has snipe, not even morphed, and she solo's WBs with it lol. This on a no CP account btw. Ok she has her bear too, and the little mushroom heal thingy and ice shield, but still that's pretty ridiculous.

add. personal. debuff. difficulty. Like Battle Spirit.
It will not affect current. No instances. Still One Tamriel.

Profit for everyone.

asuzab16_ESO wrote: »

I am surprised by the results of this poll.

Yes, higher difficulty is often associated with frustration but it also brings a lot to immersion, combat, social aspects of the game. The game is still enjoyable without it but it becomes only a mere shadow of what it could be and has to offer.

In my case, the main reason I get bored of an MMO is if it has an unchallenging world and it is the case with ESO too. The world doesn't provide me with occasions of using the potential of my class, to improve myself or to socialize to overcome difficulties.

I am curious to know when players started hating challenge in video games. I don't know if it's a generational issue, but it seems like at some point, players started liking being unchallenged because that makes them feel stronger and in control, rather than having to improve themselves and feel happy with the results.

Personally, I am sad to see that ESO's quests and zones exploration have to be seperated from challenging content and class gameplay learning. I strongly believe that the world of ESO would be way more captivating if the difficulty was increased and players were able to face danger in the zones.

I think many current players are the same who were also playing games 10-15 years ago. The difference is that 10-15 years which have passed. Now we don't have that much time to overcome the challenges, but we still have the passion to play.

I asked before for Just Laglorn to become the ‘Adventure zone’ it was at the start; where wasps could pack you up - but I got a a LOAD of grief from farmers accusing me of wanting all the Nirncrux to myself.

Please. If I wanted all the nirncrux to myself I’d buy it all and hoard it and sell 1 piece a day.

I have over 250 potent nirncrux just from doing surveys/event boxes/winning raffles etc. Like how much more could I need? I make NH weps for free for people as it is.

I have enough gold in my bank alone to buy every single nirncrux currently available on TTC website without breaking a sweat - I’m sure there’s more than that out there - but this was not about that.

It would be nice to have one decent zone.

I have to admit, the CP share thing, I really like it.

But I am surprised it exists. I would have expected Zos to require each character to gain their own CPs.

Probably at this point tho, changing it would cause a revolt.

Stratloc wrote: »

Some people here claiming the game is 'brutal' to new players seems a bit overstated to me. I don't remember it being particularly difficult when I started playing in 2017, sure you had to learn some basics but nothing too radical, and I am absolutely average at best.

The overland was never particularly hard for me either - even when I was brand new. Though it was more challenging then it is now - which is just ridiculously easy to the point of boredom.

Public dungeons used to be a lot harder than they are now though. They nerfed those hard. But in any case, the whole newer player vs veteran player debate is moot really. I believe most people here who are asking for the overland to be made more difficult are suggesting that it be optional - a veteran version of the zone if you will - that higher level players could quest in so they could enjoy the content too. I don't really see how any reasonable person could object to that whether they are new players or not. Sounds like a win win to me.

Voice_of_Chronicles wrote: »

So far so good, an optional veteran mode for overland zones might be a nice way to handle things.

Also, the people telling those who would like an increase in difficulty are playing the wrong game forgot the difficulty when it was still 50 and vet 1-16, like many folks said before it became way easier with one Tamriel.
To those who say, go into some dungeon or vMSA, DSA, trials... ye, I can very well do that but it doesn't change what is most important to me:
I would like to once again be able to quest and roam the open world of Tamriel, many of which quests (I haven't touched on more than one character for said reason) and be able to actually feel that my actions there were factually needed.
If it takes a split second to kill the trash and a few more seconds to kill a boss, all the atmosphere and the grand story that developed right in front of my eyes becomes spoiled and ridiculed by the ease with with I can dispatch of all the enemies.
I want to engage in this immersive role-playing world and not to feel it break apart by the quick death of everything in my path
Saying that I should force myself to play with light attacks only and 1 skill only is plain mean as it would make combat super dull and also not a tad more challenging, but rather just prolong everything.
To those who wish to protect those new players experiencing difficulties at the start of the game, I fully understand where you are coming from. But as some new players here stated before they hardly felt a challenge at all after figuring out most about the combat and skills. Again, a simpler version or a stronger stat scaling for new players might be an option.
Moreover, keep in mind that this game and especially the overland zones were not solely designed for new players to enjoy, but also veteran players would like to feel some fun when questing besides grand story telling...a joy that comes hard fighting these ...npcs...

Again, thanks to all of your replies so far, keep your suggestions and feedback coming!

That was well said, especially the bolded portion of your comment which sums up my thoughts exactly.

asuzab16_ESO wrote: »

I am surprised by the results of this poll.

Yes, higher difficulty is often associated with frustration but it also brings a lot to immersion, combat, social aspects of the game. The game is still enjoyable without it but it becomes only a mere shadow of what it could be and has to offer.

In my case, the main reason I get bored of an MMO is if it has an unchallenging world and it is the case with ESO too. The world doesn't provide me with occasions of using the potential of my class, to improve myself or to socialize to overcome difficulties.

I am curious to know when players started hating challenge in video games. I don't know if it's a generational issue, but it seems like at some point, players started liking being unchallenged because that makes them feel stronger and in control, rather than having to improve themselves and feel happy with the results.

Personally, I am sad to see that ESO's quests and zones exploration have to be seperated from challenging content and class gameplay learning. I strongly believe that the world of ESO would be way more captivating if the difficulty was increased and players were able to face danger in the zones.

Completely agree, must have missed your post...so much going on!
I would still go with a choice between difficulties, like someone pointed out earlier.

SkerKro wrote: »

Wondering if those who are wanting the increased difficultly can even manage Crag. solo in their current gear.

Hell, if they all can solo all of Crag (no grouping, no leeching off of others fighting wbs, etc.) in nothing but white gear, no food buffs, pots or cp with out dropping below 75% health or even a single death from any one of them. Then maybe make pve harder. Till that happens. Its fine as is.

That is not the point and the way you portray it means you are not talking this debate seriously...

I am not saying we should increase difficulty to a level where only a few people can handle it, but rather that right now the challenge posed by NPCS does not live anywhere up to the fearsome and impressiveness of the story of these supposedly dangerous foes.

Voice_of_Chronicles wrote: »

So far so good, an optional veteran mode for overland zones might be a nice way to handle things.

Also, the people telling those who would like an increase in difficulty are playing the wrong game forgot the difficulty when it was still 50 and vet 1-16, like many folks said before it became way easier with one Tamriel.
To those who say, go into some dungeon or vMSA, DSA, trials... ye, I can very well do that but it doesn't change what is most important to me:
I would like to once again be able to quest and roam the open world of Tamriel, many of which quests (I haven't touched on more than one character for said reason) and be able to actually feel that my actions there were factually needed.
If it takes a split second to kill the trash and a few more seconds to kill a boss, all the atmosphere and the grand story that developed right in front of my eyes becomes spoiled and ridiculed by the ease with with I can dispatch of all the enemies.
I want to engage in this immersive role-playing world and not to feel it break apart by the quick death of everything in my path
Saying that I should force myself to play with light attacks only and 1 skill only is plain mean as it would make combat super dull and also not a tad more challenging, but rather just prolong everything.
To those who wish to protect those new players experiencing difficulties at the start of the game, I fully understand where you are coming from. But as some new players here stated before they hardly felt a challenge at all after figuring out most about the combat and skills. Again, a simpler version or a stronger stat scaling for new players might be an option.
Moreover, keep in mind that this game and especially the overland zones were not solely designed for new players to enjoy, but also veteran players would like to feel some fun when questing besides grand story telling...a joy that comes hard fighting these ...npcs...

Again, thanks to all of your replies so far, keep your suggestions and feedback coming!

Let's say ZOS went with your suggestion and made a veteran version of the overland. Who would ZOS balance this against?
If it's balanced around people pulling about 25k DPS (poor tanks have no chance) the people pulling 40k+ DPS are still going to find it boring. If it's made more difficult than that then you'd have a bunch of people stuck between overland that is too easy and overland that is too hard.
How do you propose dealing with this?

I don't know how people can stand how pathetically easy overland PvE is. The worst thing about questing in this game is how mind numbingly easy this game is.