Jaraal wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Business wise I just don't they could at this point back out of it at least for 2 more years. To them they did give bosmers stealth but missed contation of that in lore that makes them better theives. This is my assumption on current situation.

I think though if bosmers really were more conhevise in their desires for changes that don't overlap with khajitt then might have a chance at change, but right now I see it as too big of risk. This is just my assumption.

Business wise, they are losing customers who have quit playing because they loved the Bosmer lore and built their characters to be sneaky and stealthy types. Also business wise, nobody wants to roll a Bosmer anymore to get a PvP only passive that gives away their presence to the enemy, but can in some way be useful to a handful of roly poly type builds who would have been roll dodging regardless. And they didn't give Bosmer any kind of stealth.... just a non-working ability to supposedly be able to tell when an enemy is near, in stealth. But in my experience, I can't detect an enemy crouched right next to me in Cyrodiil, until I cast a reveal ability or use a detect potion.

I personally feel that they cut the number of stealthy races to one (Khajiit) to try and force stealthy players who are anti-furry/scaley into playing a non-humanoid race, hoping that they will grow to like the Khajiit people and be more inclined to drop cash on the upcoming Khajiit expansion. I, for one, don't really care for Argonians, and therefore can list Shadowfen and Murkmire as my least interesting zones. From a business standpoint, if I was the marketing guy, I would certainly try to find ways to make Khajiit more appealing to the masses. So it would come as no surprise to me if this was part of the reasoning behind the changes. ZOS has already demonstrated their ability to alter gameplay to sell chapters. Such as adding Swift with the Summerset expansion, and then once sales have dropped off, nerfing Swift to slow players back down.

Taloros wrote: »

I'd change the racial as follows:
- Replace the detection bonus with a stealth bonus, just as the one Khajit got (or rather: kept).
- Replace the speed/penetration bonus with a 1/2/3 m bonus for all ranges above 20 m, similar to how Dragonknights got a buff for all attacks up to 5 m.

That'd make the Bosmer stealthy archers without giving them a damage bonus.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Where are the Bosmer toons created by all the people saying the new skills are a "buff"? ESO has some annoying hypocrites playing. Always talking about no counterplay to snipe and playstyles they dislike. Meanwhile they all stay on the same races and melee builds. Thus change was totally stupid and made with utter disregard to players who have a stealthy wood elf playstyle. zos lost all credibility by going through with it. Its my firm belief that whoever was in charge of these changes needs to be fired. They have no place in what is supposed to be a TES game.

I am not sure where I heard it before, but whenever I read about PvP players wanting to nerf others I think of the old PvP forum Mantra;

Scissors says; "Nerf Rock, paper is fine."

The wood elf change has "We did it for PvP reasons!" written all over it.

Zoltan_117 wrote: »

I am personally very happy that dunmer are now more viable archer or assassin race, but leaving the stealth bonus on any race seems to still be unfair to wood elves. On the other hand, having more then one race with the stealth bonus makes it unfair to everyone else who would want an assassin or stealth archer (when its just Khajit its more understandable). This is a hard situation and I would personally just remove the bonus from all races.

Jaraal wrote: »

Lol, they just added a 3 second Silence to Incapacitating Strike on test. Now every magicka toon is gonna want to roll a Bosmer so they can get that extra 10% speed while roll dodging away before they die from being unable to shield or purge!

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wood Elf/ Bosmer & Argonian were shafted pretty hard. Tbh. those are the 2 worst races in game right now when it comes to racial passives.

Jaraal wrote: »

Eiron77 wrote: »

All that aside though, these updates are getting more comical each patch.

Agreed. Most gameplay changes in the past had some sort of logic, even if they were slightly biased one way or another. But ever since they started taking our speed away because unskilled or minimum system/connection folks were unable to target in PvP due to server lag, everything has been snowballing downhill. It's like a chain of nerfs to make up for other nerfs, and add the puzzling disregard for long established lore and racial and class identity.... and it certainly gives one pause.