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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As great as these alternative ideas for racial passive systems are, I don't think we can expect a huge change like that, especially considering that ZOS just got done changing racials. Right now we are stuck with the system we have because it would take more effort to convince ZOS to make a grand overhaul than it would take to give Bosmer stealth back.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.5 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I ran into this fine fellow near Elden Root today. I think he may have fallen out of a tree as a lad and whacked his head, as he started telling me about some Bosmer tradition of stealing and then asking for a ransom to return said goods. But everybody knows Bosmer are worthless thieves.... or at least worse than some other races. Maybe he was mistaken, and meant a tradition of catching thieves? That would certainly make more sense, given the Bosmer racial propensity for finding the hidden, rather than being the hidden.
I do hope they fix all these puzzling dialogues soon...... it only serves to make the quest creators look like they didn't do their research properly.10 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not even the same as with Bretons and Altmer. Sure, they are on polar opposite ends in terms of magicka related buffs, but it's one and the same coin for magicka! You want both sustain and damage, so having either allows you to focus on the other.
This doesn't work for stealth because only stealth is stealth and that's what you want when you want to make a stealthy character. Getting detection is useless! It's baffling how it got this far. Elsweyr will go live in three to four days now and we won't get a fix there. I'm now accepting bets on whether they fix it the patch after (aka in three more months since we only get 4 updates per year).
Now that ZOS learned to take smaller steps at a time, when will they be able to take them at a faster pace? With issues like these not getting resolved, the slow release schedule feels like torture.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.6 -
Eiron77✭✭✭✭Elsweyr will go live in three to four days now
Does it? Wish I could've been hyped for it, but now I find that I really don't care all that much...9 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Elsweyr will go live in three to four days now
Does it? Wish I could've been hyped for it, but now I find that I really don't care all that much...
On PC it does anyway. I mostly lost the hype for it. I still want to see the zone and play the story, I still want to play a Necromancer and the trial sounds exciting and I'd love to run it.
But I can't change my pretend necromancer I had for years to an actual Necromancer, my Bosmer got degraded from being a sneaky archer to being an honourable one and thus is less fun, and the rest of my characters aren't really fitting for the content (thematically) apart from maybe my Khajiit who badly needs his backstory figured out.
The only excitement that I have left is pretty much the new trial and the tank set, because enchants on onehanded weapons were nerfed and I refuse to use a Frost staff for tanking, so Torug's has become useless to me. That and the cat assistants, but those are going to be expensive anyway, so nevermind.
I might break the boycot and play a Necro on NA where I would recreate my original Necro without making a dublicate, but other than that, there are little options for me. I would have played on my sneaky Bosmer if I was allowed to. Too bad there are no sneaky Bosmer anymore.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.2 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
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Could be exactly why they gutted Bosmer stealth. Altmer magsorcs were putting on this costume and blowing people up in PvP, helpless victims only saw the wood elf look from far away, complained "Nerf Bosmer!!! 😭", and here we are.3 -
Alucardmike✭✭✭I am selling lot of things.
My armor, my sneak boots, my bow, my gloves, my lockpicks...
If anyone needs something, you will find me, because everyone does, and I do not know why...The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.11 -
Kalle_Demos✭✭✭✭✭Hello Bosmeri!
I canceled my subscription to ESO in response to the many nonsensical choices made in the name of balance. I haven't played since in solidarity with my Bosmer peeps who, despite being paying customers, were shafted the most for no reason as ZOS proceeded to implement the exact opposite of their stated goals.
I'm very sad to see that after acknowledging criticism on their lack of communication that ZOS continues to fail in any meaningful dialog with players who've been playing and paying for their game for years in regards to heavy handed gameplay changes that are egregiously contrary to lore. Something ZOS claimed they cared about and that they would not do.
Keep up the good fight!
"If I am to be Queen, I must look fear in the face and conquer it. How can I ask my people to have faith in me if I don't have faith in myself?" - Queen Ayrenn19 -
evoniee✭✭✭✭this game literally unplayable with inconsistency from ingame skill, lore and many description9 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First they got rid of Bosmer's.
And now with the latest changes it appears they also want to get rid of NB's and bows as well. I am sensing a trend...14 -
anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭First they got rid of Bosmer's.
And now with the latest changes it appears they also want to get rid of NB's and bows as well. I am sensing a trend...
Yep, every time I turn around they're giving me less reason to play. And my secondary character is a Templar so I'm really winning now...6 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First they got rid of Bosmer's.
And now with the latest changes it appears they also want to get rid of NB's and bows as well. I am sensing a trend...
Pvp trend. With the pvp dev (listening only to pvp Reps and pvp whining) is in charge they’ll have us all wearing plate and swinging wooden clubs.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom13 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First they got rid of Bosmer's.
And now with the latest changes it appears they also want to get rid of NB's and bows as well. I am sensing a trend...
Pvp trend. With the pvp dev (listening only to pvp Reps and pvp whining) is in charge they’ll have us all wearing plate and swinging wooden clubs.
Maybe it's part of their master plan, to have us all clanking around in heavy plate, and when they finally get around to explaining why we can't detect stealth, they'll say it's because we are too noisy and they heard us coming a mile away and left the area long ago.7 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Exploring Rimmen today, and I guess they intend to rub it in our faces even more with the new chapter:
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Exploring Rimmen today, and I guess they intend to rub it in our faces even more with the new chapter:
But see, he said it's a "performance"! Perfomances are to be seen! The bosmer uses their superior skill to detect eachother and see eachothers' thefts! /sarcasm
[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!13 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.Edited by BlueRaven on May 21, 2019 6:16PM14 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.12 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.
Are you saying that only a Khajiit can do this quest now?0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.
Are you saying that only a Khajiit can do this quest now?
No, but kahjit have a lower chance of racking up a huge bounty.Stealth is THE factor in that quest.I checked my bags, saw I had a good counterfeit edict note and just decided to go to town on the npcs. I was so ticked off I took it out on the poor npcs.6 -
anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭But...but stealth is useless in PVE and it's only for Roleplay. I was told that! /s10 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.
Are you saying that only a Khajiit can do this quest now?
No, but kahjit have a lower chance of racking up a huge bounty.Stealth is THE factor in that quest.I checked my bags, saw I had a good counterfeit edict note and just decided to go to town on the npcs. I was so ticked off I took it out on the poor npcs.
So you could have done it without getting that high bounty, you just chose not to. Your initial post made it sound like you got the bounty because your Bosmer wasn't as stealthy as a Khajiit.3 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.
Are you saying that only a Khajiit can do this quest now?
No, but kahjit have a lower chance of racking up a huge bounty.Stealth is THE factor in that quest.I checked my bags, saw I had a good counterfeit edict note and just decided to go to town on the npcs. I was so ticked off I took it out on the poor npcs.
So you could have done it without getting that high bounty, you just chose not to. Your initial post made it sound like you got the bounty because your Bosmer wasn't as stealthy as a Khajiit.
No you misunderstood. Unless you are prepared for a high stealth encounter you WILL get a bounty. There is basically no way to do it otherwise without a huge bounty. I think on a kahjit you could get around the first mob, and have a crack at a no bounty run. But for other races you NEED to bring stealth gear. Kahjits just have their stealth gear built into the race. And they don't warn you that it will be this type of place before you enter.I saw no baskets to hide in so that won't help you either.Basically 25% of the way in I gave up trying to be stealthy. There are too many mobs. I went in with prevent attacking innocents turned on which also quickly became a problem. And I thought how much easier all of this would have been when my bosmer WAS stealthy. I was already well past 1k in bounty, so I said "F*** it. If I am going to rack up a huge bounty anyway, I will just go nuts." There is no way to disengage from a mob once they see you. And they chain, as in they "call" out to other mobs A LOT for help. And the bounty you get for killing each of them is the same as attacking and killing a civilian. And every mob is hostile, EVERY mob will attack.
Imagine doing a mine themed delve filled with bandits and narrow corridors, but killing a bandit will give you the same bounty as if you killed a civilian in a city. AND they call out for help. AND there are rooms with 4 or more them in there. Now try to do the whole thing staying in stealth. THAT is what it is like.
That being said it may be that the objective is randomly placed so you may not have to go as deep as I did, but who knows.
People who are unaware about the nature of this quest will have a hard time not getting big bounty, UNLESS they are a kahjit (or a MagNB who could potentially stay invisible the whole time), then it will be significantly easier.7 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.
Are you saying that only a Khajiit can do this quest now?
No, but kahjit have a lower chance of racking up a huge bounty.Stealth is THE factor in that quest.I checked my bags, saw I had a good counterfeit edict note and just decided to go to town on the npcs. I was so ticked off I took it out on the poor npcs.
So you could have done it without getting that high bounty, you just chose not to. Your initial post made it sound like you got the bounty because your Bosmer wasn't as stealthy as a Khajiit.
No you misunderstood. Unless you are prepared for a high stealth encounter you WILL get a bounty. There is basically no way to do it otherwise without a huge bounty. I think on a kahjit you could get around the first mob, and have a crack at a no bounty run. But for other races you NEED to bring stealth gear. Kahjits just have their stealth gear built into the race. And they don't warn you that it will be this type of place before you enter.I saw no baskets to hide in so that won't help you either.Basically 25% of the way in I gave up trying to be stealthy. There are too many mobs. I went in with prevent attacking innocents turned on which also quickly became a problem. And I thought how much easier all of this would have been when my bosmer WAS stealthy. I was already well past 1k in bounty, so I said "F*** it. If I am going to rack up a huge bounty anyway, I will just go nuts." There is no way to disengage from a mob once they see you. And they chain, as in they "call" out to other mobs A LOT for help. And the bounty you get for killing each of them is the same as attacking and killing a civilian. And every mob is hostile, EVERY mob will attack.
Imagine doing a mine themed delve filled with bandits and narrow corridors, but killing a bandit will give you the same bounty as if you killed a civilian in a city. AND they call out for help. AND there are rooms with 4 or more them in there. Now try to do the whole thing staying in stealth. THAT is what it is like.
That being said it may be that the objective is randomly placed so you may not have to go as deep as I did, but who knows.
People who are unaware about the nature of this quest will have a hard time not getting big bounty, UNLESS they are a kahjit (or a MagNB who could potentially stay invisible the whole time), then it will be significantly easier.
I see now. Though from what you're saying it seems I'll need to make sure I have a stack of invis pots ready just for this. Thanks for the warning.3 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Elswyr quest warning!!! (It's about stealth and the museum quest.)If you are doing the museum mysteries quest be warned it ends in what is essentially a thieves guild dungeon instance. Killing any of the NPCs there is considered a crime (in fact you have to have your preferences for "prevent attacking Innocents" set to off if you want to defend yourself).
If you are going to do this chain, do it on a high stealth character. Unfortunately I was on my Bosmer and I ended up getting a high bounty because I could not sneak very effectively.
Of course they restrict stealth to one race right as they add more stealth gameplay. That just makes sense.
Somehow.
I feel like I chased a pocket-watch wielding rabbit down a hole.
Are you saying that only a Khajiit can do this quest now?
No, but kahjit have a lower chance of racking up a huge bounty.Stealth is THE factor in that quest.I checked my bags, saw I had a good counterfeit edict note and just decided to go to town on the npcs. I was so ticked off I took it out on the poor npcs.
So you could have done it without getting that high bounty, you just chose not to. Your initial post made it sound like you got the bounty because your Bosmer wasn't as stealthy as a Khajiit.
No you misunderstood. Unless you are prepared for a high stealth encounter you WILL get a bounty. There is basically no way to do it otherwise without a huge bounty. I think on a kahjit you could get around the first mob, and have a crack at a no bounty run. But for other races you NEED to bring stealth gear. Kahjits just have their stealth gear built into the race. And they don't warn you that it will be this type of place before you enter.I saw no baskets to hide in so that won't help you either.Basically 25% of the way in I gave up trying to be stealthy. There are too many mobs. I went in with prevent attacking innocents turned on which also quickly became a problem. And I thought how much easier all of this would have been when my bosmer WAS stealthy. I was already well past 1k in bounty, so I said "F*** it. If I am going to rack up a huge bounty anyway, I will just go nuts." There is no way to disengage from a mob once they see you. And they chain, as in they "call" out to other mobs A LOT for help. And the bounty you get for killing each of them is the same as attacking and killing a civilian. And every mob is hostile, EVERY mob will attack.
Imagine doing a mine themed delve filled with bandits and narrow corridors, but killing a bandit will give you the same bounty as if you killed a civilian in a city. AND they call out for help. AND there are rooms with 4 or more them in there. Now try to do the whole thing staying in stealth. THAT is what it is like.
That being said it may be that the objective is randomly placed so you may not have to go as deep as I did, but who knows.
People who are unaware about the nature of this quest will have a hard time not getting big bounty, UNLESS they are a kahjit (or a MagNB who could potentially stay invisible the whole time), then it will be significantly easier.
I see now. Though from what you're saying it seems I'll need to make sure I have a stack of invis pots ready just for this. Thanks for the warning.
That would work too!1 -
Alaya✭✭✭
"5 for Night Mother's Embrace, 4 for Vesture of Darloc Brae, and 3 for Night Terror.
As a Khajiit trained in Medium Armor, you are literally unseen."
This screenshot comes from a guild I follow. If a Khajiit can literally stand in front of a guard like that and not get detected then it is broken.Edited by Alaya on May 22, 2019 1:29AM12
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