So essentially, Bosmer "speed" passive should read: Burn x amount of stamina to dodge roll and go 10% faster, while every other race can burn the same amount of stamina and go 30% faster by sprinting.
Wow, this is getting worse by the day!
Proposed New Hunter's Eye description:
Level 1: Spend one skill point to reduce your available skill points by 1
Level 2: Spend one skill point to reduce your available skill points by 2
Level 3: Spend one skill point to reduce your available skill points by 3
More like Falmer, actually. Give me my pet chaurus and we'll go protect Tamriel from the threat of hidden stealth, wherever it may be.
It's certainly more accurate than what's there now.
Proposed New Hunter's Eye description:
Level 1: Spend one skill point to reduce your available skill points by 1
Level 2: Spend one skill point to reduce your available skill points by 2
Level 3: Spend one skill point to reduce your available skill points by 3
And the rest of Hunters Eye is confirmed for Falmer here: "Although a typical Falmer may appear small and emaciated, they can be surprisingly quick on their feet and deliver quick, powerful blows." https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Falmer
Cundu_Ertur wrote: »You can't even buy the tickets yet: those come at the end of the month.
I miss my stealthy bosmer, the 3m detection bonus simply isn't worth anything, not even in PvP where you can use much better skills to find players. By the time you see the players, they're already on top of you, so what's the point?
The dodge roll is iffy. I've been utilizing it as I do dungeons and quests in DLC, but it's not an easy thing to use in a lot of places honestly.
Everything else they've given us is okay, we can live with it, but I really wish they'd revert their change to stealth instead of giving us another useless passive.
I'm sure many of you remember when they gave us that fall damage reduction. Guess this means we can just roll ourselves off cliffs faster.
What if they increased the range?
It could be 3 miles and it would still be completely useless in PVE. And it still isn't what Bosmer are about.
Seraphayel wrote: »ZOS is not going to give you stealth back. They seem content with their plans and removing the Bosmer stealth passive was one of them.
I know you are complaining for two months now but it's time to move on and get over it. I know I will get bombarded with comments how dare I saying this but this is just the truth and reality. Get used to your new Bosmer, they changed in a game that's under constant development and where change is inevitable, good and bad.
Seraphayel wrote: »ZOS is not going to give you stealth back. They seem content with their plans and removing the Bosmer stealth passive was one of them.
I know you are complaining for two months now and you're mostly right but it's time to move on and get over it. I know I will get bombarded with comments how dare I saying this but this is just the truth and reality.
Get used to your new Bosmer, they were changed in a game that's under constant development and where change is inevitable, good and bad.
Seraphayel wrote: »ZOS is not going to give you stealth back. They seem content with their plans and removing the Bosmer stealth passive was one of them.
I know you are complaining for two months now and you're mostly right but it's time to move on and get over it. I know I will get bombarded with comments how dare I saying this but this is just the truth and reality.
Get used to your new Bosmer, they were changed in a game that's under constant development and where change is inevitable, good and bad.
Jeremiah12LGeek wrote: »Question:
Why the change at all?
I'm not sticking around for an answer. I have the experience to know that the appropriate response is to uninstall and move on. I've already uninstalled, and by tomorrow morning the game will have been returned, never to be played again. Congratulations Bethesda/Zenimax, I accepted your decision.
But why the decision? Was effective stealth so offensive to the developers that they had to drive players away to get rid of it?Were elves over-represented in telemetric data, so extreme measures were taken to drive elf fans away?
Rhetorical, obviously, except maybe for those sticking around to find out.
Jeremiah12LGeek wrote: »Question:
Why the change at all?
I'm not sticking around for an answer. I have the experience to know that the appropriate response is to uninstall and move on. I've already uninstalled, and by tomorrow morning the game will have been returned, never to be played again. Congratulations Bethesda/Zenimax, I accepted your decision.
But why the decision? Was effective stealth so offensive to the developers that they had to drive players away to get rid of it?Were elves over-represented in telemetric data, so extreme measures were taken to drive elf fans away?
Rhetorical, obviously, except maybe for those sticking around to find out.
Well, my feeling is that it went something like this.
We got a new guy who is in charge of the races and he wanted to mold the game. To put his mark on it.
He then came up with the idea that one of the first things he will do is redo all of the racials, AND make all the races feel unique.
He had some ideas for a few races. But when it got to bosmers they basically ran out of ideas. They remembered an armor set that was not used very much and shoe horned it into the bosmers. "They live in trees but they tumble alot! Done."
And then the with the stealth racial they said; "Well Kahjits have stealth and we can't let them BOTH have that because "uniqueness", so give Bosmers stealth detect!" And promptly moved on.
They really did not give much thought into the passive because they did not WANT to put much though into the passive.
Even when it was pointed out to them in that the community probably would not like the change they said the infamous quote.
"Note: Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race. With these additions, stealth gameplay will open up to more players, and also allow bosmers to have the nice combat buff will still having avenues to be as stealthy as before."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1
Basically either a "We'll fix it later" hand wave response, or its a "craft some armor" response.
Nothing about the Bosmer changes feels well though out. It all feels a bit slapdash, because (I feel) it was a bit slapdash.
Even the whole argonian/bosmer resistance mix up. All of it feels like the work of people who just wanted it off their table as fast as they could.
The TLDR is; Zos wanted unique races. And since Kahjit has a stealth bonus bosmers had theirs taken away.
So essentially, Bosmer "speed" passive should read: Burn x amount of stamina to dodge roll and go 10% faster, while every other race can burn the same amount of stamina and go 30% faster by sprinting.
Wow, this is getting worse by the day!
Technically, I think the 10% bonus would affect sprinting as well, so we'd still go faster. It's just we'd get tired more quickly because we burned way more stamina rolling than we'd have spent sprinting for 6 seconds.
ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We understand that some are happy with the racial passives and how others are not. Debating the changes is completely acceptable. However, baiting and flaming other members of the community, as well as bashing, are all violations of the rules that we have in place. Moving forward, we ask that all posts be kept civil and constructive, as well as with in the rules. If there may be any question in regards to the rules, please do feel free to review them here.
Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-
I just signed up on the forums just so I could vent about this.
I've been a bosmer since I started 2 years ago, I enjoyed it. Really really disappointed about losing this passive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(I could keep going)
I do not want to play as a catman. Not interested. Do not want a tail.
This change is UNNECESSARY. [snip] WHY??!?!!??!
Jeremiah12LGeek wrote: »How does this help?
Honest question. I can't see a single reason for this post. It's not appealing for calm, it's asking people not to complain, in context. I don't understand the goal at all. Unless you really just want people to go away.
Jeremiah12LGeek wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We understand that some are happy with the racial passives and how others are not. Debating the changes is completely acceptable. However, baiting and flaming other members of the community, as well as bashing, are all violations of the rules that we have in place. Moving forward, we ask that all posts be kept civil and constructive, as well as with in the rules. If there may be any question in regards to the rules, please do feel free to review them here.
Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-
How does this help?
Honest question. I can't see a single reason for this post. It's not appealing for calm, it's asking people not to complain, in context. I don't understand the goal at all. Unless you really just want people to go away.
Jeremiah12LGeek wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We understand that some are happy with the racial passives and how others are not. Debating the changes is completely acceptable. However, baiting and flaming other members of the community, as well as bashing, are all violations of the rules that we have in place. Moving forward, we ask that all posts be kept civil and constructive, as well as with in the rules. If there may be any question in regards to the rules, please do feel free to review them here.
Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-
How does this help?
Honest question. I can't see a single reason for this post. It's not appealing for calm, it's asking people not to complain, in context. I don't understand the goal at all. Unless you really just want people to go away.
I haven't really seen any baiting, flaming, or bashing in this thread at all.... it seems remarkably civil, at least when compared to some of the PvP debate threads, lol.
I guess what they're asking is for us to not question the wisdom of the racial rebalancers? Because the posters have been quite respectful of each other?