Fake Tank = Kick - Chat Screenshots

bhagwad · October 2017

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:

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And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:

Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

casparian · October 2017

Yes, u gave it away ik ur age now

Pulling out the big guns I see.

Danksta · October 2017

Why use a French swear word? Trying to cheat censorship?

Alpheu5 · October 2017

On one hand, you really shouldn't queue as a role you're not unless you're in a group with 3 other friends and want to do randoms together as 4 dps.

On the other hand, some vet dungeons really don't require a tank to complete assuming the group members are semi-competent. Fungal Grotto II is one such dungeon.

bhagwad · October 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

On one hand, you really shouldn't queue as a role you're not unless you're in a group with 3 other friends and want to do randoms together as 4 dps.

On the other hand, some vet dungeons really don't require a tank to complete assuming the group members are semi-competent. Fungal Grotto II is one such dungeon.

If it's a random dungeon finder group, we can't assume that people know the mechanics. Like here, I had to explain the mechanics for each and every boss. A tank is absolutely invaluable for those situations! Even Fungar Grotto II. Like keeping the Spawn of Mephala still, and Reggar as well.

A tank brings order to chaos. If you're in a random dungeon finder, we cannot cheat the queue like that!

bhagwad · October 2017

casparian wrote: »

Yes, u gave it away ik ur age now

Pulling out the big guns I see.

Earlier, he called me a kid. So basically he has contempt for everyone :P

lynog85 · October 2017

The majority of the 4mans can be done without tanks or healers. So who really cares?

Mithoron · October 2017

We did a normal COS the other day and some NB with a LIGHTNING staff queued in as a tank....he quickly got the boot as well....

Gargath · October 2017

Danksta wrote: »

Why use a French swear word? Trying to cheat censorship?

OP probably likes the Merovingian way

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DocFrost72 · October 2017

lynog85 wrote: »

The majority of the 4mans can be done without tanks or healers. So who really cares?

The ones who thought they were getting a tank or healer and have to adjust their build and gameplay (if they even can) due to the fact that someone lied. But forget them amirite?

Iselin · October 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

On the other hand, some vet dungeons really don't require a tank to complete assuming the group members are semi-competent. Fungal Grotto II is one such dungeon.

That's not the point.

Besides the fact that when queued for randoms you might get anything - even those that do require a tank, the fact that a lot of people gloss over in these threads is that it's a DPSer gaming the system which makes the wait time for all the other honest DPSers longer. That's the real issue.

bhagwad · October 2017

lynog85 wrote: »

The majority of the 4mans can be done without tanks or healers. So who really cares?

I care. I care very much, as seen here.

It's not really the question of whether or not it can be done without a tank or healer that bothers me. It's more the notion of cheating the queue to get faster dungeons. The other DPS guys waited their turn. Anyone who tries to cut the line like that, will get the boot.

Though I disagree with your main statement as well. The majority of 4-mans with the dungeon finder tool absolutely cannot be completed without a healer or a tank.

bhagwad · October 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Why use a French swear word? Trying to cheat censorship?

OP probably likes the Merovingian way .

This

Megabear · October 2017

I always vote to kick fake tanks. If the vote doesn't pass, I simply leave and just log in another character and que a dungeon. This process saves my limited playing time.

Darkestnght · October 2017

In these cases I just leave the group. In fact I have quite a few personal rules I use for leaving a group if I see something I do not like or if people are being rude in anyway.

Jeremy · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:

And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:

Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

I 100% agree.

Fake tanks should be kicked.

jlboozer · October 2017

It is very annoying when I que for 40 mins as dps like I'm supposed to and then end up with 3 more dps after all that time....I need a healer and a tank, not 2 more dps. And usually the fake tank/healer isn't even that great of a dps, they make it harder on everyone because they're selfish. IMO to que as tank you should be required to have a taunt on your bar, same with healers and having a heal barred. I don't usually initiate a kick on anybody because I think its scrubby, but I'm gonna start with people in these fake roles. And I'm a dps myself, but I actually que as a DPS....its unfair to everyone else!

Jamini · October 2017

I would honestly just run the dungeon with a fake tank. Pretty much all of my builds can nearly solo most normals.

...and then kick the fake tank right before the final boss so he has to do the whole thing again without a carry.

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If the guy queued as tank is good enough to tank and DPS, I won't care.

MaddPowered · October 2017

It is not cheating to queue as tank to get into a random? lol
Is it cheating if a tank queues as a DPS?
Is it cheating if a healer queues as a DPS?

KingMagaw · October 2017

Cheating the queue system had me laugh.

While i do agree that having a proper tank makes Dungeons somewhat easier it is hardly necessary. vDSA needs a solid tank and the better he plays the better you all play, but for dungeons it is a cake walk doing with any class/role, most have been solo'ed.

Belyar · October 2017

Most base game vet dungeons can be easily done with 3 DD as long as the healer is good. Sorry but you were the ****** here and not that guy who wanted to have fun and clear the dungeon fast. DLC dungeons are a different story.

bhagwad · October 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

Cheating the queue system had me laugh.

While i do agree that having a proper tank makes Dungeons somewhat easier it is hardly necessary. vDSA needs a solid tank and the better he plays the better you all play, but for dungeons it is a cake walk doing with any class/role, most have been solo'ed.

Of course it's cheating the system. Would a DPS still queue as a tank if the wait times for tank and DPS roles were the same?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · October 2017

you people need to learn the meaning of words...that guy did not cheat ***...you are just a simpleton who don't get it...where does it say you have to be full T/H/DD/DD grp? right now you can go 4 DD with vigor and finish everything...tanks are overrated the way ESO is right now...and seriously...don't QQ when you get *** groups while using damn dungeon finder tool...if you so good then get a guild and get a proper group and stop whining...qqing about finding noobs and dimwits in dung finder is like complaining there is 2 much water in the ocean...

bhagwad · October 2017

Belyar wrote: »

Most base game vet dungeons can be easily done with 3 DD as long as the healer is good. Sorry but you were the ****** here and not that guy who wanted to have fun and clear the dungeon fast. DLC dungeons are a different story.

Tell that to all the teams that wipe without a tank to hold aggro and keep the box still...

paulsimonps · October 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

Cheating the queue system had me laugh.

While i do agree that having a proper tank makes Dungeons somewhat easier it is hardly necessary. vDSA needs a solid tank and the better he plays the better you all play, but for dungeons it is a cake walk doing with any class/role, most have been solo'ed.

Try saying that with pugs who's idea of DPS is bow light attack.

Megabear · October 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

Cheating the queue system had me laugh.

While i do agree that having a proper tank makes Dungeons somewhat easier it is hardly necessary. vDSA needs a solid tank and the better he plays the better you all play, but for dungeons it is a cake walk doing with any class/role, most have been solo'ed.

True, and I can solo majority of non-DLC normal dungeons myself, but I still kick fake tanks anyway. I enjoy fairness when I can enforce it.

MaddPowered · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

Most base game vet dungeons can be easily done with 3 DD as long as the healer is good. Sorry but you were the ****** here and not that guy who wanted to have fun and clear the dungeon fast. DLC dungeons are a different story.

Tell that to all the teams that wipe without a tank to hold aggro and keep the box still...

You don't need a tank for most any vet dungeons. You can even get away with doing vDSA with no tank if you have competent players. L2RollDodge

bhagwad · October 2017

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

you people need to learn the meaning of words...that guy did not cheat ***...you are just a simpleton who don't get it...where does it say you have to be full T/H/DD/DD grp? right now you can go 4 DD with vigor and finish everything...tanks are overrated the way ESO is right now...and seriously...don't QQ when you get *** groups while using damn dungeon finder tool...if you so good then get a guild and get a proper group and stop whining...qqing about finding noobs and dimwits in dung finder is like complaining there is 2 much water in the ocean...

If you form a team manually, there are indeed no restrictions. You can form a 4-man tank team if you want.

However, the dungeon finder tool very clearly spells out the expected roles. If you tell the game that you're going to fulfill a certain role, and have no intention of doing so, then that is indeed cheating.

DocFrost72 · October 2017

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

you people need to learn the meaning of words...that guy did not cheat ***...you are just a simpleton who don't get it...where does it say you have to be full T/H/DD/DD grp? right now you can go 4 DD with vigor and finish everything...tanks are overrated the way ESO is right now...and seriously...don't QQ when you get *** groups while using damn dungeon finder tool...if you so good then get a guild and get a proper group and stop whining...qqing about finding noobs and dimwits in dung finder is like complaining there is 2 much water in the ocean...

I am actually laughing at this response. For what it's worth. It is as you say entirely worthless to complain about the people you get in a random pug. It's half of the random element. Where you go wrong is the rest of your post.

The moment you select a role in the dungeon finder, you must be able to perform that role. I don't even think that is up for debate.

bhagwad · October 2017

MaddPowered wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

Most base game vet dungeons can be easily done with 3 DD as long as the healer is good. Sorry but you were the ****** here and not that guy who wanted to have fun and clear the dungeon fast. DLC dungeons are a different story.

Tell that to all the teams that wipe without a tank to hold aggro and keep the box still...

You don't need a tank for most any vet dungeons. You can even get away with doing vDSA with no tank if you have competent players. L2RollDodge

Again, tell that to all the teams that wipe without a tank, and see what they have to say.

Inerar · October 2017

Multiple role chosing shouldn't be exist. Choose your role and play, simple. If u wanna quee as a tank, then play as tank, otherwise its becoming a selfishness and taking time of other players. Who wants to carry selfish players' loads?

Few days ago i played with a guy who choose all roles and playing as healer in that dungeon (vet elden hollow 1). In the middle of dungeon we noticed that the guy not healing. When we asked him, his answer is "do self heal!" Then we kicked him.Well if multiple choosen won't exist, then there will be less problem.