Fake Tank = Kick - Chat Screenshots

Rainraven

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

When stupid dps thinks he's a tank I do nothing and I mean nothing. Obviously he can solo the content so I let hem.

I think I'll try this next time. DPS coming in as a tank usually means the boss is going to be chasing squishy lil' me. This won't happen if I do no damage though!

nimander99

Megabear wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm a $hitty tank... Its why I don't enter the queue. *sad face emoji*

I wouldn't kick you. I'd carry you, at least you're a tank.

TY @Megabear ... Should I just queue and let people know I'm not much of a tank but trying to get better? I usually avoid just so I'm not the butt of these kind of posts.

Iselin

nimander99 wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm a $hitty tank... Its why I don't enter the queue. *sad face emoji*

I wouldn't kick you. I'd carry you, at least you're a tank.

TY @Megabear ... Should I just queue and let people know I'm not much of a tank but trying to get better? I usually avoid just so I'm not the butt of these kind of posts.

Just tell people in the group you're learning. You'll likely get more advice than you'll know what to do with

Also... take a look at this site: https://woeler.eu/
It's the best resource for ESO tanking.

Megabear

nimander99 wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm a $hitty tank... Its why I don't enter the queue. *sad face emoji*

I wouldn't kick you. I'd carry you, at least you're a tank.

TY @Megabear ... Should I just queue and let people know I'm not much of a tank but trying to get better? I usually avoid just so I'm not the butt of these kind of posts.

Just que and tell them you're a new tank. Most people will respect that and carry you if they have to. In my experience people are more likely to kick a fake tank than a real tank, even if you aren't geared at all.

Megabear

Iselin wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm a $hitty tank... Its why I don't enter the queue. *sad face emoji*

I wouldn't kick you. I'd carry you, at least you're a tank.

TY @Megabear ... Should I just queue and let people know I'm not much of a tank but trying to get better? I usually avoid just so I'm not the butt of these kind of posts.

Just tell people in the group you're learning. You'll likely get more advice than you'll know what to do with

Also... take a look at this site: https://woeler.eu/
It's the best resource for ESO tanking.

Yep, that's the best resource for tanking

Tasear

nimander99 wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm a $hitty tank... Its why I don't enter the queue. *sad face emoji*

I wouldn't kick you. I'd carry you, at least you're a tank.

TY @Megabear ... Should I just queue and let people know I'm not much of a tank but trying to get better? I usually avoid just so I'm not the butt of these kind of posts.

Don't sell yourself short, as long as you have a taunt you already a decent tank. If fact please queue with me.
Some of these tanks are causing me to need therapy.

Sinolai

Am I a fake tank also? I often queue as a tank with my mag sorc in light armor and the only adjustment I do for the role is swapping my execute to taunt Well atleast I am able to pull it through and for serious cases I have a heavy armor and shield in my bag.

VaranisArano

Sinolai wrote: »

Am I a fake tank also? I often queue as a tank with my mag sorc in light armor and the only adjustment I do for the role is swapping my execute to taunt Well atleast I am able to pull it through and for serious cases I have a heavy armor and shield in my bag.

Can you actually tank every dungeon you wind up in as a tank? If so, great! As long as you taunt, hold aggro, and don't die, you've met the basic job of a tank.

You may or may not be a "good" tank, but at least you are a tank if you can meet the basic job of a tank in every dungeon you wind up in.

Flameheart

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sinolai wrote: »

Am I a fake tank also? I often queue as a tank with my mag sorc in light armor and the only adjustment I do for the role is swapping my execute to taunt Well atleast I am able to pull it through and for serious cases I have a heavy armor and shield in my bag.

Can you actually tank every dungeon you wind up in as a tank? If so, great! As long as you taunt, hold aggro, and don't die, you've met the basic job of a tank.

You may or may not be a "good" tank, but at least you are a tank if you can meet the basic job of a tank in every dungeon you wind up in.

I agree and I may add another important point besides taunting, holding aggro, not dying -> holding the boss in one place without moving it around like a headless chicken, so DDs don't have to reapply ground Dots every 2 seconds. You know there was someting like a sustain nerf in Morrowind.

I may not leave the group or start a kick vote if the above is in place, but I am still not amused if - besides such a "workaround tank" which won't be able to pile up adds for nice and fast AoE dps - there will be no warhorns and no healer without any buff support.

Qbiken

It doesn´t matter what you que for, at the end of they day, the only thing that matters is if you completed the dungeon without to much trouble. There´s no "cheating the que", stop being so delusional, swallow the pride and get some friends to run dungeons with you if you feel like this is the end of the world.

Ever heard the saying: Don´t judge a book by it´s cover??

Buffler

Ill be honest, i get slightly upset if im queuing and the tank that appears is actually a tank and not a dps.

Buffler

altemriel wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:


[snip] [edited out for name]


And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:



Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

totally agree!!

normal dungeon, usually not needed, 3 DDs are ok, but veteran not, you need a tank!

cheaters -> kick, easy as that

Lol, you certainly do NOT need a tank for vet dungeons. Most dlc dungeons dont need a tank either.

Mureel

lynog85 wrote: »

The majority of the 4mans can be done without tanks or healers. So who really cares?

Obviously the OP cares.
And CAN; but not can by everyone. On my EU acct: Easy. NA? LOL I would get rekt. xD

Mureel

DocFrost72 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

you people need to learn the meaning of words...that guy did not cheat ***...you are just a simpleton who don't get it...where does it say you have to be full T/H/DD/DD grp? right now you can go 4 DD with vigor and finish everything...tanks are overrated the way ESO is right now...and seriously...don't QQ when you get *** groups while using damn dungeon finder tool...if you so good then get a guild and get a proper group and stop whining...qqing about finding noobs and dimwits in dung finder is like complaining there is 2 much water in the ocean...

I am actually laughing at this response. For what it's worth. It is as you say entirely worthless to complain about the people you get in a random pug. It's half of the random element. Where you go wrong is the rest of your post.

The moment you select a role in the dungeon finder, you must be able to perform that role. I don't even think that is up for debate.

EXACTLY and nowhere did the OP say they were pro etc. lol He would be in a guild running 3xDD or whatever then!

Also: Stop acting leet over a game. It is so lame.

Mureel

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Actually, vFG2 (the dungeon OP was in) is doable with a dps queued as a tank as long as he slots a taunt and knows how to stay alive. Difficult, but possible.

Source: have switched from my tank build to my dps build in vFG2 multiple times, all of them due to the other two dps having abysmally low damage, low enough to stop our progress. Even soloed the final boss once when the other two dps got tired of being carried and left just before the boss fight, and the healer died.

There are also plenty of vet dungeons completely viable with no tank. Just gotta be extra good at dps.

Whether or not it's possible is NOT THE POINT.

elijafire

You need a tank in dungeon in this game?? When did this happen?

Mureel

elijafire wrote: »

You need a tank in dungeon in this game?? When did this happen?

Way back before you got that one star.

Mureel

Buffler wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:


[snip] [edited out for name]


And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:



Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

totally agree!!

normal dungeon, usually not needed, 3 DDs are ok, but veteran not, you need a tank!

cheaters -> kick, easy as that

Lol, you certainly do NOT need a tank for vet dungeons. Most dlc dungeons dont need a tank either.

Not the poiiiinnnnt! Irrelevant!

Buffler

Mureel wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:


[snip] [edited out for name]


And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:



Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

totally agree!!

normal dungeon, usually not needed, 3 DDs are ok, but veteran not, you need a tank!

cheaters -> kick, easy as that

Lol, you certainly do NOT need a tank for vet dungeons. Most dlc dungeons dont need a tank either.

Not the poiiiinnnnt! Irrelevant!

It is relevant as you didnt post the whole quote I responded to, which stated for vet dungeons you have to have a tank. Selective quoting by you im afraid.

Sru

Mureel wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

You need a tank in dungeon in this game?? When did this happen?

Way back before you got that one star.

OMG ... best line in ages.

Mureel

Buffler wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:


[snip] [edited out for name]


And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:



Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

totally agree!!

normal dungeon, usually not needed, 3 DDs are ok, but veteran not, you need a tank!

cheaters -> kick, easy as that

Lol, you certainly do NOT need a tank for vet dungeons. Most dlc dungeons dont need a tank either.

Not the poiiiinnnnt! Irrelevant!

It is relevant as you didnt post the whole quote I responded to, which stated for vet dungeons you have to have a tank. Selective quoting by you im afraid.

Sorry *hugs!* it was quoted that way! I didn't do it, it was from a previous thread I think?

Samadhi

Buffler wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

If you queue for a vet dungeon as a fake tank (actually DPS), you get kicked plain and simple. It's cheating the dungeon finder, and you just abuse it to get shorter queue times. Wait in line like the rest of us:


[snip] [edited out for name]


And afterwards we found a REAL tank, and we had a blast finishing the dungeon. Explained all the mechanics via chat and it all worked out. Here's a screenshot of our happiness after killing the last boss:



Moral of the story. In a vet dungeon, tank means TANK. That means taunt and hold boss still - at the very least. If you want to DPS, then queue as a DPS and wait your turn like the rest of us. It annoys me so much because I play a tank myself and know how much value I bring to a team in a vet dungeon. To see that value thrown away because some *** decided to be a pro DPS pisses me off.

Be a tank, or I will aggressively ask the others to kick you like it happened here.

Edit: I am SUPER impressed that the English forum software censored my French curse word :P

totally agree!!

normal dungeon, usually not needed, 3 DDs are ok, but veteran not, you need a tank!

cheaters -> kick, easy as that

Lol, you certainly do NOT need a tank for vet dungeons. Most dlc dungeons dont need a tank either.

Not the poiiiinnnnt! Irrelevant!

It is relevant as you didnt post the whole quote I responded to, which stated for vet dungeons you have to have a tank. Selective quoting by you im afraid.

If you click "show previous quotes" in the post
it expands and shows the entire discussion that lead up to the comment

M1SH3LL3

I've been reading this thread with interest over the last few days. I agree with OP.

I'm a healer and probably clock how useful the tank is before anyone else! It's become so commonplace for dps to queue as tanks that first thing now do check if 'tank' also has dps icon selected in group screen, if they have they're likely actually a dps. I then look at their gear & weapons, wait until 1st boss and see if they pull some amazing tanking skills from that bow o.0

Only when it's clear that they're not a tank do I say anything (usually 'hey Bob, you're not a Tank, are you?) to which I then usually receive leet bs about how good players don't need tanks in dungeons.

Rinse. Repeat. This is the pug experience now

tralalak44

bhagwad wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Ps i have to agree as well most of the dungeons you can just go with all DPS and ive came across those as well in pugs, and it was a speed run all the time .. easy and quick.

It doesn't bother you that the "fake tank" cheated the queue to get a dungeon quickly, whereas the genuine DPS guys might have had to honestly wait 40 minutes for their turn to play?

Would the "fake tank" have queued as a tank if the wait times were the same for all roles? If the answer is "no", then it's pretty obvious that they're cheaters.

honestly no.. see here is the thing... we are all assuming that.. "he waited 4 min to get in as fake tank where others had to wait for 40 min to queue as proper dps its not fair " but here is the thing we don't know the whole story so it makes no difference to me its all assumption.

For all i/we know the poor guy queued up as dps for over 1hr waiting and waiting and waiting got frustrated and tried his luck to queue up as tank and hoped for two things.

1) Nobody would kick him because he queued up as tank.
2) The rest would be good enough players they don't need a tank to begin with.

So honestly it dose not bother me one bit, as long as they know what they are doing im fine with it

That hypothetical scenarios is even worse, because if they waited for 1hr without getting a dungeon, imagine the other DPS'ers who queued honestly and how long would they have waited to get their turn!

This kind of "cutting the line" should not be tolerated in the virtual world, any more than it is in the real world, where you can't simply jump into the middle of a queue without pissing off everyone who's respecting the system, and who will almost certainly toss you out with a flea in your ear. And justly so.

i absolutely agree, when i saw waiting times with my sorc that are 30-50min i just use xp scroll and repeat for about hour dolmens in ad to skillup my resto staff and morph 3 skills i use on my regular healer. those 3 skills on backbar are enough to keep alive group on any dungeon. cutting the line by faking healer/tank is absolutely dishonest and as i dont do it in rl ill not do it ingame too.

Ulfgarde

casparian wrote: »

Yes, u gave it away ik ur age now

Pulling out the big guns I see.

Holy hell I'm in stitches.

Nogawd

Wow, so many glass canons out there afraid of contact. Need a white knight to save them.

Merlin13KAGL

Mureel wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

you people need to learn the meaning of words...that guy did not cheat ***...you are just a simpleton who don't get it...where does it say you have to be full T/H/DD/DD grp? right now you can go 4 DD with vigor and finish everything...tanks are overrated the way ESO is right now...and seriously...don't QQ when you get *** groups while using damn dungeon finder tool...if you so good then get a guild and get a proper group and stop whining...qqing about finding noobs and dimwits in dung finder is like complaining there is 2 much water in the ocean...

I am actually laughing at this response. For what it's worth. It is as you say entirely worthless to complain about the people you get in a random pug. It's half of the random element. Where you go wrong is the rest of your post.

The moment you select a role in the dungeon finder, you must be able to perform that role. I don't even think that is up for debate.

EXACTLY and nowhere did the OP say they were pro etc. lol He would be in a guild running 3xDD or whatever then!

Also: Stop acting leet over a game. It is so lame.

Lol. Expecting people to be semi-competent is l33t now, eh?

I don't care how much of a faceroll a dungeon may or may not be. If you're queuing in RGF, you're expecting the classic 2:1:1 roles.

If you don't need all that:

• Mention it at the beginning of the dungeon and give someone a chance to swap gear/skills. (Goes for no heals/tank, whatever). It makes a difference how people play and what skills/gear they slot.
• Queue up with a pre-made 4 man and have whatever roles you like.

Otherwise, if you can't do the role you queued as, you are wasting other peoples' time.

@nimander99 huge difference between someone learning the role and trying to improve than the people on here justifying why they're BS'ing the queue.

As has already been said, most will take a tank that's learning and be 10x more patient and constructive with someone like you than with someone that's being incompetent by way of deception, especially when they fail to mention it until halfway through the dungeon.

In short, you're fine. Everyone else trying to justify it needs to be upfront once the group is formed, needs to stick to premade's, or better damn well be able to put their money where their mouth is.

Girl_Number8

elijafire wrote: »

You need a tank in dungeon in this game?? When did this happen?

Hotr - I like to enjoy myself and not have to drive myself half insane trying to heal 2 squishy nb's.

Fischblut

In vet dungeons, I would expect everyone to perform the roles they have chosen.
In normal dungeons though... There I'm usually ready for unpleasant surprises (prepared to survive the boss attention and/or heal myself if nobody's healing me) even if I don't like it. When I was leveling Undaunted on last two characters, I was always dd - if I was pure tank or healer, getting other fake members would be much more noticeable and problematic But when I'm dd, I will initialize kicking process only if other member doesn't perform the role AND it gets us killed due to mechanics. For example, in normal FG2 - when I was chained nobody killed any shade to set me free, and when other dd finally read chat where I explained that one of shades needs to be killed, their damage was too low to kill the shade fast enough.

When I was collecting Bone Pirate pieces on my very last character, I queued for many normal runs in one day and each time I got in dungeon, same stamblade dd was always there as "tank". He was performing his dd role well, but I was angry that I as dd had to wait ~30 minutes for each queue while he was getting there again instantly after each completion cause "tank" I didn't say anything though... Just next time I equipped Black Rose and 1h+shield, slotted a taunt and Low slash and started queuing for normal dungeons as tank myself I wish I made this earlier cause I leveled rest of Undaunted fast, and was often doing more or same damage as two of our dds combined.



This way - being "tanky dd" myself - I was sure that boss will usually be where I need him to be, trash will die, and no matter how bad other group members can possibly be the dungeon will be completed.

krachall

Ran into my first one yesterday.

I didn't notice until I had a ton of aggro on the boss fights. I'm not built to take a hit...so I had to change how I play. But on the last fight in vet...er...that dungeon with the twins as final bosses, we wiped fast. I had the aggro of both bosses and couldn't stand in there for very long.

I check and see that the "tank" had queued as tank and DPS. My first fake tank. The tank and another player then blamed me for not being able to stand toe-to-toe with the final boss and that my DPS was low. Yeah...because I'm running for my life! lol.

The queue for DPS wasn't bad all day anyway.