PTS Patch Notes v2.7.1

Dymence · January 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The 6% bonus passive, Dual Wield Expert, is also no longer granting Spell Damage, so that's also a nerf to Magicka using them (mainly Templars).

I don't think it ever did.

Didgerion · January 2017

technohic wrote: »

Little bit of balancing having dual wield match 2H damage. How bout counting weapons that take 2 slots as 2 of a set piece?

Not happening.

You see lot of gear sets have been 'balanced' by not providing the one handed weapon to it.

Now if you count two handed weapon as 2 pieces then all that balance they did has to be reworked.

clocksstoppe · January 2017

Regeneration: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs were not correctly prioritizing low-health targets that did not already have the Heal over Time applied.

Only took you like what, 5 months to fix this?

Gilliamtherogue · January 2017

Neighbor wrote: »

If they want to make 2H on-par with DW, just make it so 2H weapons count as 2 set pieces.

It's such a freakin obvious change that has been requested many times.

That wouldn't make them on par either. The entire Two Handed skill line would need HEAVY reworking before they could be dealing damage on par with Dual Wield (PvE). The issue isn't the weapon itself, it's the skills. That being said, Two Handed offers unparalleled advantages in PvP that Dual Wield can't compare to.

Gilliamtherogue · January 2017

Dymence wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The 6% bonus passive, Dual Wield Expert, is also no longer granting Spell Damage, so that's also a nerf to Magicka using them (mainly Templars).

I don't think it ever did.

The 6% applied to the Damage of the OH, meaning both Weapon and Spell damage. Now it does only applies to the Weapon damage, as the tooltip implies.

code65536 · January 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The 6% bonus passive, Dual Wield Expert, is also no longer granting Spell Damage, so that's also a nerf to Magicka using them (mainly Templars).

It's not a nerf because it never did.

Stamden · January 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

If they want to make 2H on-par with DW, just make it so 2H weapons count as 2 set pieces.

It's such a freakin obvious change that has been requested many times.

That wouldn't make them on par either. The entire Two Handed skill line would need HEAVY reworking before they could be dealing damage on par with Dual Wield (PvE). The issue isn't the weapon itself, it's the skills. That being said, Two Handed offers unparalleled advantages in PvP that Dual Wield can't compare to.

True. To start, they need to completely rework Cleave. It is terrible. If it was a viable AoE option that would be much better.

NBrookus · January 2017

Flak wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Increased the Dual Wield Weapon and Spell Damage penalty by roughly 3%. Weapon and Spell Damage while Dual Wielding (without modifiers) is now equal to using a Two Handed weapon.

Another nerf to Stamina, really?

It's a magicka nerf, too.

Cimadon · January 2017

I can't seem to get up in the tower in dagger fall overlook? Anybody else with the problem?

Konstant_Tel_Necris · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General
Weapons
Restoration Staff
Regeneration: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs were not correctly prioritizing low-health targets that did not already have the Heal over Time applied.

Could we hope thats Funnel Health will also be fixed and again will start prioritizing low-health targets? NB healers need it, but we get only cost increase and number of healed ally nerf.

BigES · January 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The 6% bonus passive, Dual Wield Expert, is also no longer granting Spell Damage, so that's also a nerf to Magicka using them (mainly Templars).

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Will you please confirm that the above is true, and intentional? And if so, please include a patch note?

This is a further nerf to magicka dual wield we need to know about. If so, this basically is the nail in the coffin for duel wield magicka sorcerers with the Velocious Curse change.

WaTeR-aBuSeR · January 2017

I am unable to interact with the door for the tower in daggerfall overlook. I was excited to see the view but am unable to go up into the tower.

kadar · January 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ah. Because this is the first time that I hear about a penalty, didn't know what this is supposed to mean.

On Live, the main-hand DW contributes 100% of its tooltip to your character's WD/SD.

On Live, the off-hand DW contributes 20% of its tooltip to your character's WD/SD. It thus suffers an 80% penalty. This penalty is reduced for WD by the "Dual Wield Expert" passive.

Judging from the wording (haven't verified on the PTS), now it sounds like the main hand will contribute 100% of its tooltip, and the off-hand will contribute 17% of its tooltip, which would make dual-wield 117% as strong as bow/staves instead of 120% as strong.

(This handling of the off-hand's contribution is why a budget-constrained player can gold out his main-hand and leave the off-hand as purple and suffer only a small marginal loss of power over dual-gold.)

I had no idea DW worked this way. Why have the extra 20% (now 17% if you're interpreting it correctly), in the first place? Was DW intended to give 20% more weapon/spell damage than 2H?

Horowonnoe · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH

Art & Animation
General
The claws of Khajiit and Argonian player characters will no longer be removed when wearing boots from the following armor sets:
Medium Soul Shriven boots

Medium Dark Brotherhood boots

Light Skinchanger boots

Light Malacath boots

Can you have the art team look into the Yokudan Medium gloves? They still remove Khajiit claws on the medium set despite being open-handed. I've bugged this multiple times (like the errors with the Khajiit armor color channels) but it's never been fixed. My hands look like they've been violently mashed in a doorstop without my claws. It's been like this ever since the armor came out with Craglorn's release.

For the love of Jone and Jode, please help us. XD GIVE KHAJIIT BACK OUR CLAWS

Claws been trimmed, khajiit. Punishment for scratching up the furniture and not using your scratching post.

ShadowHvo · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Homes
Daggerfall Overlook now has a tower from which you may now look over Daggerfall.

Honestly, I know you're not responsible Gina, but the absolute racial injust and bias is just really unfair.

You guys at Zenimax, whoever makes the choices regarding the homes, sincerely need to stop his blatant Breton and Daggerfall favoritism. It is really disappointing to see these DC homes like Daggerfall Overlook and Hundings Palatial having the far better features of any other home, when you guys leave the Ebonheart Chateau as a boring Dunmer manor, without any additional features like all other manors have.

I will list the list of features in a spoiler tag, to spare everyone else the scroll-time.

- Serenity Falls (AD Manor)
1. River
2. Pool
3. Waterfall
4. Additional Servant House
5. Stables
6. Balconies from the main building AND second.
7. Large Two Story Building
8. Yard

- Daggerfall Overlook (DC Manor)
4. MASSIVE Overlook over the Iliac Bay
5. Fountain
6. Stable
7. Big Barn
8. Castle has fitting room separation, 3 stories including the Cellar.
9. Unique special hideaway entrance to the sea below from the cellar.
10. Yard
11. Now with a brilliant Watchtower too.

- Ebonheart Chateau (EP Manor)
1. Yard
2. Four Trees
3. One Big 3 story House with only one seperate room in the cellar (Essentially all commen Dunmer manors.)
4. A Barn
5. Fountain

The Ebonheart Chateau does NOT have a functional watchtower as the description claims, and the entire view of the house out over the lava lakes, ash grounds and sea is completely blocked off by rocks that cannot be adjusted with the housing editor.

I honestly hope you will share word to the responsible people in charge, Gina, for the Ebonheart Chateau is quite literally the most expensive manor, but just as it is expensive at nearly 4 million gold, it is but equally disappointing.

Livvy · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
[*]You can now properly dye the Colovian Filigreed Hood and Colovian Fur Hood, obtained from the New Life Festival.

But not the New Life Festival hats from the Crown Store?

SwaminoNowlino · January 2017

Just kind of sick of everything at this point. Housing looks fantastic. But you've made it so material intensive that its unrealistic to use anything but crowns. Gold mats to make a candle, what a joke.

So you'll get maybe a week or two of entertainment out of me. Then I'll be stuck for 6+ months on a game with no new PVP content, it'll be the same fight every night for who has numbers or destro ult up. I can't invest in new builds, because you'll willy nilly change how the passives work or how the weapons work despite arguing in favor of how it used to work for years. I'll spend hours upon hours grinding for the next burning spellweave sharpened swords, then you'll nerf magicka dual wield or hell probably the sharpened trait into the ground.

Any casual observer who played this game could point out what the problems are. Proc stacking. Heavy Armor Damage. Reactive Healers. Gap closing into the freaking ground.

What do you spend your time on instead? Removing like 50 damage from dual wield lol.

CaptainVenom · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
Weapons
Restoration Staff
Regeneration: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs were not correctly prioritizing low-health targets that did not already have the Heal over Time applied.

Best news ever!

starkerealm · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Homes
Daggerfall Overlook now has a tower from which you may now look over Daggerfall.

I found the tower, but don't seem to be able to use the door. Maybe it's not the one I think it is?

code65536 · January 2017

BigES wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The 6% bonus passive, Dual Wield Expert, is also no longer granting Spell Damage, so that's also a nerf to Magicka using them (mainly Templars).

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Will you please confirm that the above is true, and intentional? And if so, please include a patch note?

This is a further nerf to magicka dual wield we need to know about. If so, this basically is the nail in the coffin for duel wield magicka sorcerers with the Velocious Curse change.

There's nothing to confirm: it's not a nerf because, as @Dymence and I pointed out, that passive currently does not affect spell damage (and hasn't affected spell damage in over a year, if not longer). That passive has not changed.

The_Outsider wrote: »

I had no idea DW worked this way. Why have the extra 20% (now 17% if you're interpreting it correctly), in the first place? Was DW intended to give 20% more weapon/spell damage than 2H?

Because it's melee and ZOS decided that melee weapons should have higher tooltip power than ranged weapons. This has long been how dual-wield is calculated, and this is why dual-wield provides more raw spell/weapon damage.

Here is a post that I made a month ago, explaining the current calculation on Live:

code65536 wrote: »

The spell/weapon damage contributed by your gear is:
Destro staves, resto staves, bows, 1H and shield, 1H single-wield: Damage tooltip (standard amount; i.e., 1335 at CP160 gold)

2H melee: Damage tooltip (2H melee weapons get a 17.7% tooltip bonus; i.e., 1571 at CP160 gold)

1H dual-wield: Damage tooltip of the main hand plus 20% damage tooltip of the off-hand

So for each of these setups, the amount of spell damage that comes from your weapon is...
A staff: 1335

A 2H melee weapon: 1571

Dual-wield: 1602 (1335 * 1.2)

This also means that the slot position for dual-wield matters, if your weapons have different damage tooltips.
2 gold standard swords: 1602 SD

1 gold sword in main-hand, 1 purple sword in off-hand: 1561 SD (-2.5% SD over 2 gold)

1 gold sword in off-hand, 1 purple sword in main-hand: 1399 SD (-12.7% SD over 2 gold)

2 gold nirn swords: 1778 SD

1 gold nirn sword in main-hand, 1 gold sharp sword in off-hand: 1749 SD (-1.6% SD over 2 gold nirn)

1 gold nirn sword in off-hand, 1 gold sharp sword in main-hand: 1631 SD (-8.3% SD over 2 gold nirn)

So if you want to be cheap when dual-wielding, you can make the off-hand sword purple and lose a mere 41 SD. But the main-hand must be gold.

Similarly, if you want to use nirnhoned, you should make only 1 sword nirnhoned and place that in your main hand. Never use 2 nirn swords, since that's only 1.6% more SD than 1 nirn sword, and that extra 1.6% SD is not worth it--you'll be better off with sharpened on your off-hand (well, you'll be better off with sharpened on both weapons, but nirn+sharp is a very close contender),

Anyway, the point is, using dual-wield grants you 267 extra spell damage, in addition to the 5% bonus to damage done from Twin Blade and Blunt. But is this worth the loss of weaving and utility? In many cases, no, it is not.

The change here is that dual-wield will now provide the same WD/SD as a 2H melee weapon, instead of slightly more. Both 2H melee and dual-wield provide substantially more than 2H ranged weapons.

BigES · January 2017

Staves were already in close competition with dual wield

code65536 wrote: »

BigES wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The 6% bonus passive, Dual Wield Expert, is also no longer granting Spell Damage, so that's also a nerf to Magicka using them (mainly Templars).

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Will you please confirm that the above is true, and intentional? And if so, please include a patch note?

This is a further nerf to magicka dual wield we need to know about. If so, this basically is the nail in the coffin for duel wield magicka sorcerers with the Velocious Curse change.

There's nothing to confirm: it's not a nerf because, as @Dymence and I pointed out, that passive currently does not affect spell damage (and hasn't affected spell damage in over a year, if not longer). That passive has not changed.

The_Outsider wrote: »

I had no idea DW worked this way. Why have the extra 20% (now 17% if you're interpreting it correctly), in the first place? Was DW intended to give 20% more weapon/spell damage than 2H?

Because it's melee and ZOS decided that melee weapons should have higher tooltip power than ranged weapons. This has long been how dual-wield is calculated, and this is why dual-wield provides more raw spell/weapon damage.

Here is a post that I made a month ago, explaining the current calculation on Live:

code65536 wrote: »

The spell/weapon damage contributed by your gear is:
Destro staves, resto staves, bows, 1H and shield, 1H single-wield: Damage tooltip (standard amount; i.e., 1335 at CP160 gold)

2H melee: Damage tooltip (2H melee weapons get a 17.7% tooltip bonus; i.e., 1571 at CP160 gold)

1H dual-wield: Damage tooltip of the main hand plus 20% damage tooltip of the off-hand

So for each of these setups, the amount of spell damage that comes from your weapon is...
A staff: 1335

A 2H melee weapon: 1571

Dual-wield: 1602 (1335 * 1.2)

This also means that the slot position for dual-wield matters, if your weapons have different damage tooltips.
2 gold standard swords: 1602 SD

1 gold sword in main-hand, 1 purple sword in off-hand: 1561 SD (-2.5% SD over 2 gold)

1 gold sword in off-hand, 1 purple sword in main-hand: 1399 SD (-12.7% SD over 2 gold)

2 gold nirn swords: 1778 SD

1 gold nirn sword in main-hand, 1 gold sharp sword in off-hand: 1749 SD (-1.6% SD over 2 gold nirn)

1 gold nirn sword in off-hand, 1 gold sharp sword in main-hand: 1631 SD (-8.3% SD over 2 gold nirn)

So if you want to be cheap when dual-wielding, you can make the off-hand sword purple and lose a mere 41 SD. But the main-hand must be gold.

Similarly, if you want to use nirnhoned, you should make only 1 sword nirnhoned and place that in your main hand. Never use 2 nirn swords, since that's only 1.6% more SD than 1 nirn sword, and that extra 1.6% SD is not worth it--you'll be better off with sharpened on your off-hand (well, you'll be better off with sharpened on both weapons, but nirn+sharp is a very close contender),

Anyway, the point is, using dual-wield grants you 267 extra spell damage, in addition to the 5% bonus to damage done from Twin Blade and Blunt. But is this worth the loss of weaving and utility? In many cases, no, it is not.

The change here is that dual-wield will now provide the same WD/SD as a 2H melee weapon, instead of slightly more. Both 2H melee and dual-wield provide substantially more than 2H ranged weapons.

Thanks for clarifying. Its been so long... I suppose I do remember that change now. I know the tooltip always read weapon, but still gave spell at one point. I guess I was just assuming the poster I quoted had tested it on live vs. PTS.

Come to think of it, I might not have those passive points on my Templar anymore.

glavius · January 2017

Chill out unbuffed it's just a 32 value nerf. Dual wield without buff's and gold weapons, is 1652 weap/spell dmg, vs. the 1571 value on 2h.
Dual wield will still be worth it.

david19979 · January 2017

Cimadon wrote: »

I can't seem to get up in the tower in dagger fall overlook? Anybody else with the problem?

I can't use that door either, I guess it will be staying like that until next week's patch.
I also could not find any difference in the low furnishing limit.

silvereyes · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The pricing with the merchant will be updated in next week's PTS patch.

Hi @ZOS_GinaBruno,

I see that the prices in the master writ voucher store have been updated already in this patch, up from the 1 voucher of last week. Does your comment mean that there are further price changes coming in v2.7.2? I really hope so, because for anyone without 9 trait research complete (to be able to finish the 100+ voucher master writs), the prices are probably too high on the attunable crafting stations.

adriant1978 · January 2017

Wow, thanks for another nerf to my DW magicka NB on top of the Strife cost increase.

Why this seemingly obsessive desire to force us all to main a destro staff and spam Force Pulse?!

Berenhir · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Weapons
Restoration Staff
Regeneration: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs were not correctly prioritizing low-health targets that did not already have the Heal over Time applied.

OMG only read so far but have to hug you all right now!

Mettaricana · January 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

Increased the Dual Wield Weapon and Spell Damage penalty by roughly 3%. Weapon and Spell Damage while Dual Wielding (without modifiers) is now equal to using a Two Handed weapon.
Note: This change was included in the 2.7.0 patch, but the patch note was unintentionally missed.

What is this??

Love!!!

BigES · January 2017

So a proper weave with a staff vs. dual wielding was already fairly close in terms of raw DPS for a magicka character.

Now we have nerf'd dual wield vs. a buffed staff.

Sounds like we're being pigeon holed into a staff build if you want to build properly.

Losing a main-hand items requires a complete build rework. I cant' just take off two swords and throw on a staff.

Guess it's back to farming. Great.

Pandorii · January 2017

DW expert was bugged?!

code65536 · January 2017

BigES wrote: »

So a proper weave with a staff vs. dual wielding was already fairly close in terms of raw DPS for a magicka character.

Now we have nerf'd dual wield vs. a buffed staff.

Sounds like we're being pigeon holed into a staff build if you want to build properly.

Losing a main-hand items requires a complete build rework. I cant' just take off two swords and throw on a staff.

Guess it's back to farming. Great.

For magicka users, you'll be losing only around 30 spell damage with this change--it's not really significant.

I do think that magicka users should be using staves, that dual-wield for magicka is an aberration, and that it's good that magicka DPS migrate to using staves. That having been said, the loss of 30 SD really is just a drop in the bucket that should not--and would not--change the staff-vs-DW equation. The changes to the fire and lightning staff passives, on the other hand, are far more significant than this change.