Plz Stop Making Tank Troll builds

NativeJoe · November 2016

Alot of people are up in arms over the proc set meta...

I'm personally not. Because they can be killed, and the Do kill.

However; The Tank trolls emerging everywhere are getting toxic.

No one wants to fight for 10-40 minutes verses someone else.
Stop the Vitality pots, reactive armor, malubeth, Stacking your cp to healing received, Troll king, and permablock, and other combos.

It's sad when elites meet up to duel or spot eachother on the battle field and "have to walk away" from eachother because death would not simply occur or if it did it'd be 20 minutes down the road. x.x

Idk... Am I alone in this thinking? because this whole 7k healing vigor/ a tick + perma block does seem a bit much to me. throw in malubeth and 45k hp and this stuff is just getting stupid.

I mean I'm all for l2p, get some deeps, and AC your way threw a legion of newbs, and the whole god mode does feel amazing. But seriously... it's just complete and total nonsense.
At this rate a month from now we'll have entire unkillable zergs stuck in endless frays. it's getting disgusting.

NativeJoe · November 2016

they* do kill

I'm Just here saying Stop it!

It's not like I have the power to stop it, so you "freedom of game players" looking at me like I'm trying to take away your second amendment rights need to calm down. haha

I'm 100% a fan of diverse and weird builds!
I encourage diversity 95% of the time.

I'm just saying this upcoming "Tank meta" is Toxic. For duels, open world pvp, PVE, small scale pvp, and is just nonsense.

What do I want out of posting this? I want people to understand how dumb this is...and perhaps find another way to go. Maybe if they read and understand how frustrating it is to get into a dungeon group where everyone is invulnerable, but the hp on the bosses aren't ********** moving and how doing 4k dps isn't "okay"... Maybe people will understand that 30 minute fights with one person arn't fun, and Simply put.... These builds are a WASTE OF TIME for EVERYONE involved~ be it pve or pvp.

We know these builds exist, we acknowledge anyone of us can throw together something unkillable, and Maybe some of us elites can just tone bring it down a notch. Voluntarily. Because in the end it's the elites and pvp guilds with mandated sets that set the tone of pvp. The newbies arn't going to be able to execute these builds effectively and are still going to be mince meat. And for PVE, People ask around for builds, If they're not the tank, they shouldn't be wasting peoples time with this, advise them to take something else.

If we as a community pulled together even 10% the "negative feedback" people give to sorcs for stacking shields and overloading everything, it'd be a whole lot less toxic. I mean even as a upcoming scrub I heard things like "don't be that guy" "your better then that" and "thats just cheap" ...and to this day I hesitate to even put it on my bar, I use one shield, And Don't "line of sight" the crap out of people. Idk maybe it's just a personal honor system I'm imagining might be out there among the crowd. But these builds are about as fun to fight as watching paint dry, They bring more aggravation to doing dungeons, and they just intuitively feel cheesy to play. Am I alone in this?

AtAfternoon · November 2016

For people such as myself that's not very good at PvP, I much rather encounter someone I can simply walk away from than someone that'll kill me before I know what's going on. It may be silly in duels but the game isn't and won't be balanced around duels afaik.

Enslaved · November 2016

I'm sorry, but I fully support ultra panzer nuclear reactive armor tank builds. We have porc sets that can one shot anything that is not in 7 impen heavy, and we have destro zergs that can melt walls. Only the tankiest tanks can hope to survive while in combat. And to be honest, even tanks get killed when zerged by proc or destro ultis.

Ahzek · November 2016

Tanks dont 1v1, and when they do, you can just spam /dance(argonain) to combat them rather effecrively.

Tryxus · November 2016

Ppl are allowed to play the way they want to play

White wabbit · November 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Ppl are allowed to play the way they want to play

Yep correct they can play anyway they like but the more they do it the more it becomes toxic and the more people walk away from playing , which surely is bad for the community

InvitationNotFound · November 2016

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

White wabbit · November 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

Enslaved · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

I would adore to see how do you heal trough 25k+ dps that melts you. Also, maybe you can try to move from destro ulti, but player who casted it will follow you anyways, possibly with gap closer and you will die.

aidenmoore · November 2016

Excuse me? *hold block*

People use Proc set, killing everyone in less than 3-4 seconds and gaining AP left and right and yet, tank is your issue? Why not just walk away after realizing you are fighting one? They gain no AP while doing so.

Julianos · November 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Alot of people are up in arms over the proc set meta...

I'm personally not. Because they can be killed, and the Do kill.

However; The Tank trolls emerging everywhere are getting toxic.

No one wants to fight for 10-40 minutes verses someone else.
Stop the Vitality pots, reactive armor, malubeth, Stacking your cp to healing received, Troll king, and permablock, and other combos.

It's sad when elites meet up to duel or spot eachother on the battle field and "have to walk away" from eachother because death would not simply occur or if it did it'd be 20 minutes down the road. x.x

Idk... Am I alone in this thinking? because this whole 7k healing vigor/ a tick + perma block does seem a bit much to me. throw in malubeth and 45k hp and this stuff is just getting stupid.

I mean I'm all for l2p, get some deeps, and AC your way threw a legion of newbs, and the whole god mode does feel amazing. But seriously... it's just complete and total nonsense.
At this rate a month from now we'll have entire unkillable zergs stuck in endless frays. it's getting disgusting.

LOL lots of people walked away while they dueling with my magicka templar tanky healer dps but i dont play with it cuz boring because i love playing with my medium armor glass cannon khajiit NB and he will never wear a heavy armor !!!

If you have skill you can work with a glass cannon and kill people but right now its impossible because of those bursty proc tank dps BS crap. And this is completly zos fault

White wabbit · November 2016

Major expedition !!!!!
If a minority of players had there way we would all only hit like a wet lettuce

InvitationNotFound · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

i guess you misread what I've written:
ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
if you're charged by 3-4 people with destro ulti (the one that follows the caster) you're not going to do anything. you won't be able to heal it as the damage is pretty high and you don't have any counters against it (e.g. no blocking, no walking out of the circle as the circle moves and you'll die in 1 or 2 seconds, etc.)
This comment wasn't about the stationary morph or when a single player believes he's to use that ulti.

aidenmoore · November 2016

I am more concern about the new zerg meta. 4-5 people slotted Destruction Ultimate sync with some form of gap closer and melt people before they could even react to it.

Enslaved · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

Major expedition !!!!!
If a minority of players had there way we would all only hit like a wet lettuce

Could be fun if we had actual lettuces as only weapons during some event lol

hrothbern · November 2016

aidenmoore wrote: »

I am more concern about the new zerg meta. 4-5 people slotted Destruction Ultimate sync with some form of gap closer and melt people before they could even react to it.

If Soul Shatter from the Soul Magic skill line gets a 25% buff per enemy hit, a bit like Magicka Detonation,
there would be a nice counter.

Mayrael · November 2016

Just leave them on their own, they are anoying but nothing more, I have no problem with tank that can not be killed AND can not kill. But thanks to proc sets you can have both. All you need is tremorscale and viper, all in full defence while your light and heavy attacks proc 4 and 9k sets + if they will use poisons for cost increase youre done as you wont be able to spam skills to burn tough their defences while they will deal some serious damage so most of the time you will run out of gas trying to kill them... Tanks are ok, but not proctato tanks.

Xsorus · November 2016

I told everyone that destro ult would be meta

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/288639/official-discussion-thread-for-weapon-ultimates/p12

Seriously look at this thread and the morons I had to argue with.

Even after they buffed it these morons were still saying it wasn't good and some said it was a nerf.

White wabbit · November 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

i guess you misread what I've written:
ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
if you're charged by 3-4 people with destro ulti (the one that follows the caster) you're not going to do anything. you won't be able to heal it as the damage is pretty high and you don't have any counters against it (e.g. no blocking, no walking out of the circle as the circle moves and you'll die in 1 or 2 seconds, etc.)
This comment wasn't about the stationary morph or when a single player believes he's to use that ulti.

So what's your suggestion then would you have it nerfed into the ground that even if 3-4 people where to spam it on you that YOU ! had a chance to survive it , then the ult would be so useless for a solo player that the ult would have no point even being around

bitels · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

i guess you misread what I've written:
ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
if you're charged by 3-4 people with destro ulti (the one that follows the caster) you're not going to do anything. you won't be able to heal it as the damage is pretty high and you don't have any counters against it (e.g. no blocking, no walking out of the circle as the circle moves and you'll die in 1 or 2 seconds, etc.)
This comment wasn't about the stationary morph or when a single player believes he's to use that ulti.

So what's your suggestion then would you have it nerfed into the ground that even if 3-4 people where to spam it on you that YOU ! had a chance to survive it , then the ult would be so useless for a solo player that the ult would have no point even being around

Couldnt they make same thing as with caltrops? That dmg dont stack when 2 or more are overlaping

InvitationNotFound · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

i guess you misread what I've written:
ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
if you're charged by 3-4 people with destro ulti (the one that follows the caster) you're not going to do anything. you won't be able to heal it as the damage is pretty high and you don't have any counters against it (e.g. no blocking, no walking out of the circle as the circle moves and you'll die in 1 or 2 seconds, etc.)
This comment wasn't about the stationary morph or when a single player believes he's to use that ulti.

So what's your suggestion then would you have it nerfed into the ground that even if 3-4 people where to spam it on you that YOU ! had a chance to survive it , then the ult would be so useless for a solo player that the ult would have no point even being around

you realize that no other ultimate is capable of doing what the destro ulti is capable to do, right?
they deal either less damage, can be blocked, can be healed against or can be walked away from (and yes, when 3-4 people are casting it against you). according to your logic all ultis are useless for solo players, so you suggest increasing the damage / effectiveness of all ultis or simply bring the destro ulti (down) to the same level ALL other ultis behave?

Rune_Relic · November 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Alot of people are up in arms over the proc set meta...

I'm personally not. Because they can be killed, and the Do kill.

However; The Tank trolls emerging everywhere are getting toxic.

No one wants to fight for 10-40 minutes verses someone else.
Stop the Vitality pots, reactive armor, malubeth, Stacking your cp to healing received, Troll king, and permablock, and other combos.

It's sad when elites meet up to duel or spot eachother on the battle field and "have to walk away" from eachother because death would not simply occur or if it did it'd be 20 minutes down the road. x.x

Idk... Am I alone in this thinking? because this whole 7k healing vigor/ a tick + perma block does seem a bit much to me. throw in malubeth and 45k hp and this stuff is just getting stupid.

I mean I'm all for l2p, get some deeps, and AC your way threw a legion of newbs, and the whole god mode does feel amazing. But seriously... it's just complete and total nonsense.
At this rate a month from now we'll have entire unkillable zergs stuck in endless frays. it's getting disgusting.

I am afraid that is personal bias.
Some people do want to fight forever.
Its a test of concentration, nerve, endurance and stamina.
This is what a tank wants.

Only a DD thinks in terms of quick deaths.
If you want a quick death..fight another DD not a tank.

White wabbit · November 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

i guess you misread what I've written:
ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
if you're charged by 3-4 people with destro ulti (the one that follows the caster) you're not going to do anything. you won't be able to heal it as the damage is pretty high and you don't have any counters against it (e.g. no blocking, no walking out of the circle as the circle moves and you'll die in 1 or 2 seconds, etc.)
This comment wasn't about the stationary morph or when a single player believes he's to use that ulti.

So what's your suggestion then would you have it nerfed into the ground that even if 3-4 people where to spam it on you that YOU ! had a chance to survive it , then the ult would be so useless for a solo player that the ult would have no point even being around

you realize that no other ultimate is capable of doing what the destro ulti is capable to do, right?
they deal either less damage, can be blocked, can be healed against or can be walked away from (and yes, when 3-4 people are casting it against you). according to your logic all ultis are useless for solo players, so you suggest increasing the damage / effectiveness of all ultis or simply bring the destro ulti (down) to the same level ALL other ultis behave?

Costs more for a reason
This is my first Mmo and all I've learned is that just about everyone moans and calls for nerfs
Again due to PvP the chances something will get nerfed to please a small % of the population !

Jaronking · November 2016

Stop running proc sets and I won't run a tank build.Nerf proc sets and you see a lot less tanks builds.

Zinaroth · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Ppl are allowed to play the way they want to play

Yep correct they can play anyway they like but the more they do it the more it becomes toxic and the more people walk away from playing , which surely is bad for the community

The only toxic thing about people playing how they want is the amount of QQ about it on forums creating a negative enviroment.

MaxwellC · November 2016

@NativeJoe
Wait to you fight a sun shield templar tank with 60k health in PvP... Goodluck bringing that one down.

Enslaved · November 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@NativeJoe
Wait to you fight a sun shield templar tank with 60k health in PvP... Goodluck bringing that one down.

It is not ment to be soloed, just like other overworld bosses.

emily3989 · November 2016

"Play how you want, unless it bothers me and my play style"

Lava_Croft · November 2016

Protip: Ignore the tank.

If that fails, write to @Wrobel.

BloodMagicLord · November 2016

Why does it bother you?
You can just walk away, its not like these tank builds can do much against you unless they're being a madman with ballistas.

And its fun for those of us that appreciate the humour.
One thing I really like about ESO is the potential for build diversity in PvP, and if they start nerfing everything because of a few moaners and turn it into something where everyone just has to use a mindless dd build I don't think I'd bother playing PvP anymore.