Plz Stop Making Tank Troll builds

Ch4mpTW

FloppyCatfish wrote: »

Why does it bother you?
You can just walk away, its not like these tank builds can do much against you unless they're being a madman with ballistas.

And its fun for those of us that appreciate the humour.
One thing I really like about ESO is the potential for build diversity in PvP, and if they start nerfing everything because of a few moaners and turn it into something where everyone just has to use a mindless dd build I don't think I'd bother playing PvP anymore.

@FloppyCatfish So in your opinion, is PvP currently 'diverse'...? Or is it even promoting the idea of being diverse with the vast majority of people being stamina-oriented, and utilizing defensive/tanky builds in conjunction with things like: Tremorscale, Velidreth, and Viper?

I mean sure, there are magicka-based builds out there. But, let's be logical and realistic for a moment. Outside of magicka-based Templars, how many: MagSorcs, MagNB's and MagDK's are you encountering in PvP? Let alone really making an impact on the battlefield or within a duel, where people are running things like: Black Rose, Reactive, etc. and utilizing vitality potions? Lol.

Edit: "Pug-zergs" utilizing the destruction staff ultimate running about really don't count, as they often drop like flies outside of massive zergs from what I've gathered. Keep in mind I haven't set foot in that hellhole known as "Cyrodiil" and PvP'd in quite some time. I refuse to be bothered with something that I know for a fact will tick me off, and put me in a bad mood. Especially when doing something that's supposed to be for entertainment.

MaxwellC

@FloppyCatfish
Tell that to a sun shield templar that brings you down thanks to reflected damage lmao. I remember I got hit with 11k just running next to him then he used it again and again n I died.

Weesacs

So what your basically saying is get rid of tanks and just make it a DPS race ... right?

Im built for pure survivability. So Ive to change the way I like to play to fit into the way you like to play? Again am I reading this correctly?

Enslaved wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I fully support ultra panzer nuclear reactive armor tank builds. We have porc sets that can one shot anything that is not in 7 impen heavy, and we have destro zergs that can melt walls. Only the tankiest tanks can hope to survive while in combat. And to be honest, even tanks get killed when zerged by proc or destro ultis.

This ^^ x100

OP you also mention duels - not sure why you would want to duel a tank anyway. I play a tank and I just ignore requests for dueling because its a waste of time ... for both of us.

NoMoreChillies

another PVP thread has lost its home

Mr_Apollo

@NativeJoe
To be honest, this complaint only affects duels, these builds should be...decent for PvE, theres an easy fix for this, just die or walk away and not duel that person again, ya cant tell people to completely STOP playing the way they want, the game has its problems yes but telling someone to just stop tanking or stop making builds that can actually keep them alive is kinda ridiculous, I mean, you complain about bloody tanks who keep themselves alive is the same thing as complaining DPS that do 30k of Damage per second. Its ridiculous the whole idea.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Switched to S&B + Viper last night to toy around with a few ideas. I don't speak for anyone cept myself when I say this, but I know from my own fighting game history that I've always preferred S&B for some of the cool things it can do for blocking and utility in general. If the meta were to shift to a more S&B set up, I'd happily go there in a heart beat. Because I'd feel a lot more in my element having a shield on board.

Wing

everything has a place and serves a purpose, and everything will get whined about at one point or another depending on what you play.

rock complains about paper but thinks scissors is perfectly balanced, etc.

everything has strengths and weaknesses and nothing is good in every situation.

for instance:

proc sets have weaker actual skill use then other builds as they focus on stacking proc sets rather then actual damage or sustain sets, by nature of this they suck in actual zerg combat and must rely on 1v1 and run.

vicious death proxy bombs are the opposite, they suck at 1v1 and rely on jumping into a zerg

as for magicka vs stamina I think they are rather close and whiners just don't want to admit it.
-both stam and magicka sorc are highly mobile and viable.
-magicka DK is rather weak but should be getting buffs here soon, but even so its still complained about.
-magicka Templar needs NO explanation, its arguably the strongest magicka class atm.
-magicka NB is incredibly versatile with things like fear, perma cloak, and can zerg bomb like a boss.

everything has strengths and weaknesses and nothing is good in every situation, but everything has a place.

even if whiners don't like being killed by it.

lardvader

Enslaved wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Here's a thought the op might not consider your issues a problem , I personally have no issue with the destro ult can be healed though can be moved out of it , I do agree that there is an issue where people are running two proc sets and just trying to get them to proc to get the kill

I would adore to see how do you heal trough 25k+ dps that melts you. Also, maybe you can try to move from destro ulti, but player who casted it will follow you anyways, possibly with gap closer and you will die.

I had 4 different destro ultis on my death cap last night... I melted in 2 sec with one of those "slighly cancerous" heavy builds...

STEVIL

NativeJoe wrote: »

Alot of people are up in arms over the proc set meta...

I'm personally not. Because they can be killed, and the Do kill.

However; The Tank trolls emerging everywhere are getting toxic.

No one wants to fight for 10-40 minutes verses someone else.
Stop the Vitality pots, reactive armor, malubeth, Stacking your cp to healing received, Troll king, and permablock, and other combos.

It's sad when elites meet up to duel or spot eachother on the battle field and "have to walk away" from eachother because death would not simply occur or if it did it'd be 20 minutes down the road. x.x

Idk... Am I alone in this thinking? because this whole 7k healing vigor/ a tick + perma block does seem a bit much to me. throw in malubeth and 45k hp and this stuff is just getting stupid.

I mean I'm all for l2p, get some deeps, and AC your way threw a legion of newbs, and the whole god mode does feel amazing. But seriously... it's just complete and total nonsense.
At this rate a month from now we'll have entire unkillable zergs stuck in endless frays. it's getting disgusting.

Absolutely... return to the One Top DPS to Rule Them All meta and be happy with it.

Why have other options?

timidobserver

I sense an angry ganker.

BloodMagicLord

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@FloppyCatfish So in your opinion, is PvP currently 'diverse'...? Or is it even promoting the idea of being diverse with the vast majority of people being stamina-oriented, and utilizing defensive/tanky builds in conjunction with things like: Tremorscale, Velidreth, and Viper?

I mean sure, there are magicka-based builds out there. But, let's be logical and realistic for a moment. Outside of magicka-based Templars, how many: MagSorcs, MagNB's and MagDK's are you encountering in PvP? Let alone really making an impact on the battlefield or within a duel, where people are running things like: Black Rose, Reactive, etc. and utilizing vitality potions? Lol.

Edit: "Pug-zergs" utilizing the destruction staff ultimate running about really don't count, as they often drop like flies outside of massive zergs from what I've gathered. Keep in mind I haven't set foot in that hellhole known as "Cyrodiil" and PvP'd in quite some time. I refuse to be bothered with something that I know for a fact will tick me off, and put me in a bad mood. Especially when doing something that's supposed to be for entertainment.

Lol okay, to clarify what I meant, I thought it was obvious but you clearly didn't read my comment properly.
I said "potential for build diversity", i.e. you CAN make whatever you want, you don't have to be a mindless clone of every other DD like what you're complaining about (which I imagine is what would happen even more if the OP got their way). There are tonnes of sets that do loads of different things. You CAN use any of these, and make something different. It might work, or it might not.
But the options are there, that's all i'm saying, and I think that's a good thing, I don't want PvP turned into something where you HAVE to be some bigboi dd build just because of a few people getting annoyed that other players have made builds that make their own stuff less effective.

BloodMagicLord

timidobserver wrote: »

I sense an angry ganker.

Exactly xD

praxis

Nope. I built my argonian sap tank/healer so i can stand there in cyrodiil and use my AP siphon...err resto staff until some bravado decides to target the "healer" then I'm gonna switch to s&b and laugh while my friends smash his face.

Alucardo

These tanky troll builds are probably ex-light and medium armor users wanting to see what it feels like to survive in PVP again. I know mine is, and damn does it feel good when I get rage whispers from proctatos or someone makes a thread saying I'm annoying.
Funny how they really only started appearing when heavy armor got significant DPS boosts and proc sets became a huge problem. Like everyone told us to do, we're just adapting, so deal with it

Takes-No-Prisoner

praxis wrote: »

Nope. I built my argonian sap tank/healer so i can stand there in cyrodiil and use my AP siphon...err resto staff until some bravado decides to target the "healer" then I'm gonna switch to s&b and laugh while my friends smash his face.

This is pretty much the concept behind my guy as well. Cept, I want to build meter for Negate with Heroic Slash, get procs on Viper to keep their health down, then negate the enemys support units while my friends finish them off.

Nothing is more awesome then just dropping a Negate and watching Heal bots melt into ashes. If I had heavy Bloodspawn, I could probably get more bang for my buck, buuuuuuuuut Heroic Slash seems more reasonable to build ult meter off of over Bloodspawns 6% proc.

tplink3r1

Stop using stamina troll builds or Jesus Beam and maybe people will stop using tanks.

DHale

When people stop getting in groups of 24 and chasing down solo players I will stop making troll builds, ok?

Danksta

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Protip: Ignore the tank.

If that fails, write to @Wrobel.

Don't ignore the tank!! Use him to build up ultimate!

Dymence

Long duels are going to occur no matter if you have a super tanky build or not, as long as the skill level is equally matched.

I often have duels up to 15 mins with a buddy, and we're both wearing light and no tanky sets.

WalksonGraves

Those scary tanks with their low dps, self healing until people die of jealousy.

Junipus

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*sighs*
please stop making any troll build at all? how about that? or wait, fix the *** game and add some balance

eso in a nutshell:
- procs are now insane (it is elder procs online now)
- perma dodge / shuffle crap
- ball groups running around killing you in seconds with destro ulti
- perma blockers (tanks...)

and you consider the perma blockers the main issue?
this whole situation is one huge mess, but tanks are the least significant issue here...

Used to be:

- Elder Snares Online
- Elder Bows Online
- Elder Bats Online
- Elder Staves Online
- Elder Trains Online (maybe it is again?)

and probably many more. Next balance patch will favour another build not because it's way OP, but because the pro players will find ways of combining things to make it way OP in certain situations.

Doctordarkspawn

Interesting that Permablocking is still a thing despite our resident combat designers best efforts to kill it with a shovel.

Alucardo

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Interesting that Permablocking is still a thing despite our resident combat designers best efforts to kill it with a shovel.

That's why blazing shield tanks are great. You don't want, or need to block in most cases.

Jaronking

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@NativeJoe
Wait to you fight a sun shield templar tank with 60k health in PvP... Goodluck bringing that one down.

Or you can tank that sun shields zerg with 26k health than get teabagged afterwards lol.

NBrookus

NativeJoe wrote: »

Alot of people are up in arms over the proc set meta...

I'm personally not. Because they can be killed, and the Do kill.

However; The Tank trolls emerging everywhere are getting toxic.

The number of troll tanks have risen in inverse proportion to the rise of instagib stam proc burst combos. In this case, correlation actually does equal causation. People are tired of being on the receiving end of 2 second fights.

And for every person bright enough to ignore the zero damage tank, there are 8 people whacking away at them instead of their squishy friends. Mission accomplished.

Lava_Croft

Danksta wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Protip: Ignore the tank.

If that fails, write to @Wrobel.

Don't ignore the tank!! Use him to build up ultimate!

Don't give away the secret!!!

HoloYoitsu

As a 44k HP sorc, no.

Alucardo

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

As a 44k HP sorc, no.

Plz stop

N2woR

A tank being a tank, what next!?

Bazeric

There is good advice here:
Ignore
Build Ultimate

Some tanks are better than just pulling newblets. Some tanks will line up groups of enemies for their group to run over. Some tanks will keep themselves in your face so you can't pick other targets, I am glad that there is a place for tanks in PVP, even if some people just try to BS their way into the roll. Do things need balance, yes, but the more you ignore the people who aren't true to tanking the more bored they will get when no one fights them.

Please n00bs, don't go into a little room and try to melee dps 2 BS tanks........ (deaf ears)
They are effective because n00bs want to test if they can kill the tank, but just ignore them...