Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Omg do them once a month, every time you do a maintenance you break the game and just to make a few fixes. Please for love of Akatosh stop the weekly maintenance.

Wow.. can you be more ignorant

Almost all major mmo's do server maintenance weekly.. and yes server can become unstable and shut done if you do not do the maintenance... even more stable mmos then ESO do it. Maybe you should educate yourself about why and the effects of not doing it before running you mouth off...

Yeah I have played reputable MMO's... you know where they actually tell you whats going on when something happens, they give you a timeline for maint downtime, and normal weekly maint is 2 - maybe 4 hours, not 8 lol.

Gina actually confirmed they know the problem, and take "couple" hours to fix it, but indeed i agree with the communication part
you know it take 8 right now because sh*t happen right?, normally it take 3-4 hours

Except uhh... pretty much every recent maintenance that I can recall has been at least double 3-4 hours and almost every one has been extended... yes every MMO does maintenance, but come on theres a bit of incompetence going on when its more common to have a problem with maintenance and it to last 8+ hours than for it to be a simple 3-4 hours and good to go.

nope, recent maintenance they never doubling anything AFAIK, top are 5 hours and thats it, this the only one so far that more than 5 hours, theres probably something like this yeah, but it couple months back

Lolwut... are you playing the same game? Just like last week or the week before there was maintenance more than once and extended maintenance on that!

more like emergerncy maintenance after Tamriel One update, it also happen on WoD update for WoW mind you, dunno if it also happen in Legion
we talking about extended weekly maintenance like this, which is normally only 3-5 hours top
and also as i recall, those "emergency" maintenance also take very short

So wait, you're saying yes there is "emergency" maintenance, but that's different than extended maintenance? At this point you sound like a paid spokesperson making up some cryptic excuses for obvious shortcomings... "oh this isn't 'extended' maintenance guys, its 'emergency' maintenance... and normal downtime is 3-5 hours 'usually', but sometimes we have slightly longer extended times due to emergencies and the sun was in my eyes and WoW has maintenance too and stuff and things"

you can perceive it as whatever you like really, for me the maintenance during big update is acceptable since *** can happen on those time, like almost all mmo with big update roll
and now weekly maintenance that usually only take 3-5 hours take a bit longer cause of *** happen, and this only happen once in a while
you probably can look up at google that other mmo also experience this kind of suff, how big your game, how detail are you on testing and preparing update, *** can happen

What big update... go look at the patch notes man lol... they fixed like a few minor things and the game has been down for going on 10 hours, 3-5 my ass!

i said about One Tamriel the big update, i never say this patch is a big update, but in this patch unfortunately *** happen
no need to "my ass" word there big guy

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Omg do them once a month, every time you do a maintenance you break the game and just to make a few fixes. Please for love of Akatosh stop the weekly maintenance.

Wow.. can you be more ignorant

Almost all major mmo's do server maintenance weekly.. and yes server can become unstable and shut done if you do not do the maintenance... even more stable mmos then ESO do it. Maybe you should educate yourself about why and the effects of not doing it before running you mouth off...

Yeah I have played reputable MMO's... you know where they actually tell you whats going on when something happens, they give you a timeline for maint downtime, and normal weekly maint is 2 - maybe 4 hours, not 8 lol.

Gina actually confirmed they know the problem, and take "couple" hours to fix it, but indeed i agree with the communication part
you know it take 8 right now because sh*t happen right?, normally it take 3-4 hours

Except uhh... pretty much every recent maintenance that I can recall has been at least double 3-4 hours and almost every one has been extended... yes every MMO does maintenance, but come on theres a bit of incompetence going on when its more common to have a problem with maintenance and it to last 8+ hours than for it to be a simple 3-4 hours and good to go.

nope, recent maintenance they never doubling anything AFAIK, top are 5 hours and thats it, this the only one so far that more than 5 hours, theres probably something like this yeah, but it couple months back

Lolwut... are you playing the same game? Just like last week or the week before there was maintenance more than once and extended maintenance on that!

more like emergerncy maintenance after Tamriel One update, it also happen on WoD update for WoW mind you, dunno if it also happen in Legion
we talking about extended weekly maintenance like this, which is normally only 3-5 hours top
and also as i recall, those "emergency" maintenance also take very short

So wait, you're saying yes there is "emergency" maintenance, but that's different than extended maintenance? At this point you sound like a paid spokesperson making up some cryptic excuses for obvious shortcomings... "oh this isn't 'extended' maintenance guys, its 'emergency' maintenance... and normal downtime is 3-5 hours 'usually', but sometimes we have slightly longer extended times due to emergencies and the sun was in my eyes and WoW has maintenance too and stuff and things"

you can perceive it as whatever you like really, for me the maintenance during big update is acceptable since *** can happen on those time, like almost all mmo with big update roll
and now weekly maintenance that usually only take 3-5 hours take a bit longer cause of *** happen, and this only happen once in a while
you probably can look up at google that other mmo also experience this kind of suff, how big your game, how detail are you on testing and preparing update, *** can happen

What big update... go look at the patch notes man lol... they fixed like a few minor things and the game has been down for going on 10 hours, 3-5 my ass!

i said about One Tamriel the big update, i never say this patch is a big update, but in this patch unfortunately *** happen
no need to "my ass" word there big guy

You're offended by me saying "my ass" when you're saying "*** happens" lol?

i never said i getting offended it just uneeded, but you know, fair enough

i shouldnt use *** happen tho, but lack of better term, cause english not my first languange lol

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Omg do them once a month, every time you do a maintenance you break the game and just to make a few fixes. Please for love of Akatosh stop the weekly maintenance.

Wow.. can you be more ignorant

Almost all major mmo's do server maintenance weekly.. and yes server can become unstable and shut done if you do not do the maintenance... even more stable mmos then ESO do it. Maybe you should educate yourself about why and the effects of not doing it before running you mouth off...

Yeah I have played reputable MMO's... you know where they actually tell you whats going on when something happens, they give you a timeline for maint downtime, and normal weekly maint is 2 - maybe 4 hours, not 8 lol.

Gina actually confirmed they know the problem, and take "couple" hours to fix it, but indeed i agree with the communication part
you know it take 8 right now because sh*t happen right?, normally it take 3-4 hours

Except uhh... pretty much every recent maintenance that I can recall has been at least double 3-4 hours and almost every one has been extended... yes every MMO does maintenance, but come on theres a bit of incompetence going on when its more common to have a problem with maintenance and it to last 8+ hours than for it to be a simple 3-4 hours and good to go.

nope, recent maintenance they never doubling anything AFAIK, top are 5 hours and thats it, this the only one so far that more than 5 hours, theres probably something like this yeah, but it couple months back

Lolwut... are you playing the same game? Just like last week or the week before there was maintenance more than once and extended maintenance on that!

more like emergerncy maintenance after Tamriel One update, it also happen on WoD update for WoW mind you, dunno if it also happen in Legion
we talking about extended weekly maintenance like this, which is normally only 3-5 hours top
and also as i recall, those "emergency" maintenance also take very short

So wait, you're saying yes there is "emergency" maintenance, but that's different than extended maintenance? At this point you sound like a paid spokesperson making up some cryptic excuses for obvious shortcomings... "oh this isn't 'extended' maintenance guys, its 'emergency' maintenance... and normal downtime is 3-5 hours 'usually', but sometimes we have slightly longer extended times due to emergencies and the sun was in my eyes and WoW has maintenance too and stuff and things"

you can perceive it as whatever you like really, for me the maintenance during big update is acceptable since *** can happen on those time, like almost all mmo with big update roll
and now weekly maintenance that usually only take 3-5 hours take a bit longer cause of *** happen, and this only happen once in a while
you probably can look up at google that other mmo also experience this kind of suff, how big your game, how detail are you on testing and preparing update, *** can happen

What big update... go look at the patch notes man lol... they fixed like a few minor things and the game has been down for going on 10 hours, 3-5 my ass!

i said about One Tamriel the big update, i never say this patch is a big update, but in this patch unfortunately *** happen
no need to "my ass" word there big guy

You're offended by me saying "my ass" when you're saying "*** happens" lol?

i never said i getting offended it just uneeded, but you know, fair enough

i shouldnt use *** happen tho, but lack of better term, cause english not my first languange lol

Well in case you are unaware, "my ass" is just slang for "yeah right"

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@InvitationNotFound
Hi! Thanks for the critique. Yes, I am a Chef in life, not a programmer. The above post was copied from a response to another "Maintenance" thread from a while back. The post was written by a 21 year computer programmer as a explanation of what a maintenance is and does in general. It was just for folks that think maintenance is not necessary.
But as I said, I know about as much about coding/programming as I do about Quantum Physics. But, I want to learn.
So, if you are a programmer and can clarify how the Megaserver works and why maintenance is necessary/ not necessary, please share with us.

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

To comparing ESO to other MMO's.
Every game mentioned above is way older than ESO. We are only 2 1/2 years old. Remember WoW at 2 years old?? It was way worse than ESO!
Give the delvs a break! They have done a amazing job of fixing the problems in this game since launch and have done a better job than a lot of other games in the short time ESO has been live.
Are there problems? Yes. But complaining every Monday won't help.

This is like saying, hey its ok that my hamburger is undercooked and has the wrong toppings because this restaurant is new compared to the one down the street that's been making hamburgers for 10 years...

LMAO! Never been to a soft open of a restaurant have you..Your response made me laugh! Thank you..

I would expect a new restaurant to have the same quality and service as any other restaurant regardless of age... if you are gonna run a business you should do your homework and be prepared to do it the right way the first time out of the gate.

Glad you got a laugh out of it though, I was going for a bit of comedy =P

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Customers want results not excuses, I don't care why I got my food uncooked, I don't care why the phone I bought didn't work etc.

There are other mmos who have waaaay less downtime and still offer a very good service. I'm not an IT expert and don't want to be, I want to be able to play the game I payed a lot of money in and subbed in

And customers that remain ignorant of the equipment they are using will always expect more and more. "Other MMO's" have also had more time on the market than ESO to work through problems.

ESO - Released April 4, 2014

WoW - released November 23, 2004
SWTOR - released December 20, 2011
FFXIV - released August 27, 2013 (Also completely remade the game for version 2.0 because of the amount of issues and player feedback.)
TERA - Released on May 1, 2012

As you can see, ESO is a relatively newer MMO, and as with countless others it will take a few years before it becomes a well oiled machine. The players that love the game will stick around. Those that like to hop around to whichever MMO is the current flavor of the month for them will do so. For every customer that likes to complain about maintenance there are many more that understand the need for it and are quite content doing other things while a server is offline.

You could play Elder Scrolls Legends, Overwatch, or even a basic game of solitaire while you wait. When you limit your options to a single game, things like this will always come up, and in truth, you are the only one to blame.

EDIT: P.S. The PTS server is still online. You could always run it, maybe try out a new build, test it out before committing your gold and time on the live server into something that may or may not work. There are always options, if you are willing to look.

Toybot wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

To comparing ESO to other MMO's.
Every game mentioned above is way older than ESO. We are only 2 1/2 years old. Remember WoW at 2 years old?? It was way worse than ESO!
Give the delvs a break! They have done a amazing job of fixing the problems in this game since launch and have done a better job than a lot of other games in the short time ESO has been live.
Are there problems? Yes. But complaining every Monday won't help.

I disagree. Complaining can help because knowing problems allows us to invent improvements. Investigate Microservices because that's what allows companies like Netflix to deliver entertainment without downtimes like what we are currently experiencing.

There is complaining, which can get good results, and then there are witch hunts, put downs, insults, 'I quit' rants, etc. The latter is far more common here and is unnecessary to get results. If a person can give feedback, even negatively but deliver it in a productive way, we would all be better off.

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Toybot wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

To comparing ESO to other MMO's.
Every game mentioned above is way older than ESO. We are only 2 1/2 years old. Remember WoW at 2 years old?? It was way worse than ESO!
Give the delvs a break! They have done a amazing job of fixing the problems in this game since launch and have done a better job than a lot of other games in the short time ESO has been live.
Are there problems? Yes. But complaining every Monday won't help.

I disagree. Complaining can help because knowing problems allows us to invent improvements. Investigate Microservices because that's what allows companies like Netflix to deliver entertainment without downtimes like what we are currently experiencing.

There is complaining, which can get good results, and then there are witch hunts, put downs, insults, 'I quit' rants, etc. The latter is far more common here and is unnecessary to get results. If a person can give feedback, even negatively but deliver it in a productive way, we would all be better off.

This is where the disconnect is... I don't have the direct quote, but I have seen it, and a few people even have it in their sig lol... but one of the devs is quoted saying "Anyone saying something bad about the game is someone you should ignore". That's hideous to think that they are that thin skinned that they cant look at a complaint and decide if it has merit or not, they just ignore it because its "bad" /smh

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

You can make that excuse... or you can say why didn't ESO learn from the mistakes of much older games, do more research on how to avoid downtimes or problems in general... that's a 2 way street.

It can be a two way street, but ESO also brought about a single megaserver so people were no longer separated and you didn't have the issues of "dead realms". The wide range of customization you can do with your character is also something that ESO came along with long before many others. If people want to narrow what they focus on such as the downtime and ignore that vast strides the game has made compared to others then there is nothing anyone can say that will sway your mind from that line of thinking.

Imagine the potential when ESO works through these seemingly "small" problems. The game is still in it's infancy and has no where to go but grow. The map is still half empty, the possibility for more classes, more skill morphs, more engaging content/battles. Please don't focus on one thing, but look for the larger picture of what this game can become if players just tough out the few rough years. Could it be time wasted? Sure. But it could also be an enormous success and you will have had the pleasure of seeing it through all these years.

You could be like a veteran WoW player that says..."i remember when ESO...."

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@InvitationNotFound
Hi! Thanks for the critique. Yes, I am a Chef in life, not a programmer. The above post was copied from a response to another "Maintenance" thread from a while back. The post was written by a 21 year computer programmer as a explanation of what a maintenance is and does in general. It was just for folks that think maintenance is not necessary.
But as I said, I know about as much about coding/programming as I do about Quantum Physics. But, I want to learn.
So, if you are a programmer and can clarify how the Megaserver works and why maintenance is necessary/ not necessary, please share with us.

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

To comparing ESO to other MMO's.
Every game mentioned above is way older than ESO. We are only 2 1/2 years old. Remember WoW at 2 years old?? It was way worse than ESO!
Give the delvs a break! They have done a amazing job of fixing the problems in this game since launch and have done a better job than a lot of other games in the short time ESO has been live.
Are there problems? Yes. But complaining every Monday won't help.

This is like saying, hey its ok that my hamburger is undercooked and has the wrong toppings because this restaurant is new compared to the one down the street that's been making hamburgers for 10 years...

LMAO! Never been to a soft open of a restaurant have you..Your response made me laugh! Thank you..

@wenchmore420b14_ESO
well, i didn't say maintenance isn't necessary, it might be. but without further details about what ZOS is exactly doing i can only make assumptions. the points made by that 21 year old programmer aren't valid in my opinion, besides the mentioned devices normally aren't touched by a programmer (not even the application / http server. his code is running on it, yes. but the system is generally maintained by a system / network administrator). besides minor bug fixes they might backup data and try to increase performance by optimizing the database. but again, it's nothing but an assumption.

regarding the mega server... well, you should consider that a buzz word. whatever their server setup is, there's nothing like a mega server and it isn't anything conceptually that hasn't already been there in any other mmorpg as far as i know. it just sounds fancy...

Just to verify, the "Megaserver Tech" is new to MMO's and created by Zos for ESO. It is different than any other game.
Here's a link about it.
http://elderscrollsonline.info/mega-server

So no, it's not a catch word.
But enough of this silliness.. Lol.. Servers back up! Time to play!
See ya'll in Tamriel!!
Huzzah!

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Just to verify, the "Megaserver Tech" is new to MMO's and created by Zos for ESO. It is different than any other game.
Here's a link about it.
http://elderscrollsonline.info/mega-server

So no, it's not a catch word.
But enough of this silliness.. Lol.. Servers back up! Time to play!
See ya'll in Tamriel!!
Huzzah!

Wrong, and wrong again.
That technology has been here for a while, and Zenimax might have used it among the first for MMO that is, but definitely they aren't the only one who's been using it.
I could list a couple of games and their downtimes, but I'm just gonna mention Guild Wars 2, as it is the most similar game to ESO. They are both MMOs, and the both operate on a 'Megaserver'. Difference is GW2 launched using standard servers or shards, and then transitioned to megaserver in april 2014, and yeah, they virtually have no downtime. Last downtime was on August 23rd, and before that in february. Downtimes are so rare you can expect some cash shop goodies in your mail.

I only hope ESO will improve in that regard and these day-long maintenances will be thing of the past.

For those interested in behind the scenes magic GW2 does, I recommend this:
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1016640/Guild-Wars-2-Programming-the

LaiTash wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

Dumbdago wrote: »

Gotta call BS on that one. I've been playing in MMO's longer than some of ZM's player base has been alive (97) and I seldom EVER see patches that short. I havent played Warcrap in years, but their norm was 4 to 6 hours. Old Everquest, depending on the updates, could be longer. GW, CoH, DAoC, RIFT....the list goes on. All their patches took several hours, occasionally half a day.

Wake up, it's 2016, not 2003.

I'm awake now and reread what you quoted. So...what the hell does 2016 have to do with what he said?

Hmm? Well there are new and better ways of doing maintenances and applying patches you know. Eve's maintenances take 15 minutes. Black desert's is ~hour on crappy russian servers. GW2... i'm not sure they have the maintenance downtime at all. The list goes on. 4+ hours of maintenance every monday? Doing this during the day? Not compensating for additional downtime? No, i don't think i've ever seen something like that except for ESO.

Well just find something else to play then. If you are having such a bad experience then why continue? If you don't like the way they conduct their business the stop playing as a form of protest. Please go play one of those much better games you have listed above if that would make you happier. It's not rocket science, not happy do something else. Or are you staying together for the kids? If so ignore above.

yes pls keep all your maintenance going keep the game fresh with no bugs