Give me an option to hide my @name

SteveCampsOut · May 2016

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

Turelus · May 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

They still need your email log-in because of two factor authentication.

Unless you're stupid enough to use the same password for ESO and your email address.

Edit* Which they would also have to know your email address to start with.

Basically showing an @ name is not any less secure because to take someones account you need

@ Name
Password
Email Address
Email Password
Two factor Authcode from email.

If someone has your email address and the password to that though then I think you have bigger problems than someone using your ESO account.

Kildayen · May 2016

AdmiralSam wrote: »

Kildayen wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Kildayen wrote: »

AdmiralSam wrote: »

I wanted to wear my guild tabard proudly, but there is no point since 90% of the people will never "opt into" the nameplate system I feel cheated

What research have you done to claim that 90% of the people will never "opt into" the nameplate system? Please provide me with your sources. Thank you.

give me the username you're using in your e-banking. oh you wouldn't, right? i guess only r****** would.
and this here is exactly the same from a technical / security perspective (of course without the same impact).

Nah, you're wrong. I would never create a username for a game that I would be worried about other people seeing. Maybe embarrassed, but not worried. And if I chose to give you my e-banking username, you would still have to figure out what bank I used, what my password was, use it from an approved computer, know the answer to my secret questions, have access to the email it is tied to, and have access to the source that receives the access code.

Your argument is invalid.

Since you called me out on using a term, let me return the favour. How exactly was that argument "invalid"? Do you know what validity is?

(At the same time I'd much appreciate you not replying to this, I don't want this thread to be derailed).

Let me help you figure this out so you can get back to making assumptions on how many people will never "opt into" the new nameplate system.

From www.dictionary.com

INVALID
[in-val-id]
adjective

1. not valid; without force or foundation; indefensible
2. deficient in substance or cogency; weak.
3. void or without legal force, as a contract

Have a great day!

AdmiralSam · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

They still need your email log-in because of two factor authentication.

Unless you're stupid enough to use the same password for ESO and your email address.

Which on one would ever do.......... right?

Elsonso · May 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

I would be pretty surprised if this was a widespread thing. Why would you be pasting your account password? I don't care whether your @name is visible or not. If you paste your password to zone chat, you drop everything and change it. Now.

Also, they would still need access to your email.

Abeille · May 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

On that occasion, anyone could have left-clicked on your character's name on zone chat and blocked you, which would show them your @name. But they would still need your email.

This isn't a security problem because our @names had always been readily available to everyone. Still, I do not want to see people @names. Too much ugly clutter on my UI, thank you very much.

Turelus · May 2016

AdmiralSam wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

They still need your email log-in because of two factor authentication.

Unless you're stupid enough to use the same password for ESO and your email address.

Which on one would ever do.......... right?

It's not ZOS' job to protect people against their own stupidity. In this day and age that's basic online knowledge to not keep your main email password shared with anything else.

As I said above though, if someone gains access to your email account you have bigger things to worry about than you ESO account.

olsborg · May 2016

AdmiralSam wrote: »

I don't like people knowing it. I see no reason why that should be public. It is half of my log-in info, after all. It's bad enough that guildmates can see it, but now everyone?

/signed

nudel · May 2016

Hate to break it to you, but your @name was never personal. All anyone had to do before this patch is put you on their ignore list temporarily to get your @name.

nudel · May 2016

Sasyk wrote: »

I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Everyone in any guild you're in can see your @ name in the guild roster 0_o

Infact quite a few people call me by my account name cause they don't know me very well other than being an account name in guild chat.

I actually prefer being called by my account name. I can tell the people who know me better because they use my account name and not name of whatever random character I happen to be playing on.

Seravi · May 2016

Yeah don't like this. Said on the PTS forum with many others and it made no difference. Apart for the fact you have to deal with way more ignores now, it looks ugly. I hope they expanded the allowed amount on ignore lists.

Turelus · May 2016

nudel wrote: »

Sasyk wrote: »

I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Everyone in any guild you're in can see your @ name in the guild roster 0_o

Infact quite a few people call me by my account name cause they don't know me very well other than being an account name in guild chat.

I actually prefer being called by my account name. I can tell the people who know me better because they use my account name and not name of whatever random character I happen to be playing on.

Same for me, I have been known as Turelus for years because of EVE Online. It took a while to get used to being called Tarvy.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

This will make my catfishing much harder. I knew i should have made my user name @hotgirlgamerxxx and not @shortfatoldbaldmanstilllivinginmyparentsbasement.

KriHavok · May 2016

nudel wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but your @name was never personal. All anyone had to do before this patch is put you on their ignore list temporarily to get your @name.

This is correct. Your @name was also shown in Guild Rosters and in Guild Stores, so if you were a high rank in a guild or had a very expensive list of items available on a guild store, you may make an account infiltrator curious. Yet people didn't complain about that before, and they shouldn't really complain about it now either...

There is account security put in place, not only do you have a UserID, you have a password, email (+access code) and custom security questions. Alongside this, there is a Customer Service available to every customer to assist you with account breaches. No-one should be worrying, ZOS has strong security set up, and I rarely hear of hackings or breaches.

Vandus · May 2016

Abeille wrote: »

If someone has/knows an addon that hides other people's @names, please speak up.

pChat

Allows you to choose to see both character name and user id, or one or the other, also has other nifty functions.

Blo0dstorm · May 2016

kwisatz wrote: »

@user is too much information for me, it's ugly and immersion breaking. I dont like to show my user name, but seeing everybody's ones is worse.

Yes, at least I don't see mine...

SahrotRein · May 2016

Rather than feeling less safe with my account name being shown, my main issue is the immersion breaking. I mean I play with HUD (duh) but compared to many other PC players, I keep my addons displayed on-screen limited to a certain degree so it's not too over the top.

There is simply too much text, which would be fine if the organization was handled better, this is just uneasy to read.

Tonnopesce · May 2016

Anyway unless your password is "password" you will not have problems i believe.

Shazgob · May 2016

Considering ZOS' track record of not giving a crap about what bothers people, I wouldn't expect it to change. It's like Ninglanel and alllllll of the glaring bugs this game brings and doesn't seem to acknowledge. I would get used to it or leave, at this point I'm convinced, as are many others, that ZOS truly doesn't care about anything that doesn't have a $ on it.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

tl;dr: there would have been better ways to implement something like this from the beginning. e.g. no account name in game instead something like a last name. (and yes, even without this patch it was possible to get in possession of your account name - it's a general issue and has been present since ever)

the amount of bull**** written here without the slightest security background is great...

again for everyone who doesn't see an issue, feel free to post your e-banking user name (equal to your eso user name) and your e-banking url (same as ESO, as we all know this). otherwise i can't take you seriously in this discussion. (you know, you need this this this and this to login there *sighs*)

it's bad practice and not used in general to display a user name to people. you could use a nick name or last name for that purpose, everywhere in game.

furthermore, besides i have my doubts in the currently implemented security checks, i wonder what kind of security measures the official site implements, as it is the same user name there, right? (not verified if it is possible to lock accounts or run brute force attacks)

to rephrase it: just because you have no idea about security and believe it doesn't matter at all doesn't mean this has to be the case. and this has been an issue since the game exists.

maboleth · May 2016

I just don't know why they played with this in the first place... ? If ain't broken don't fix it, says the Ancient Greek proverb.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

I really think this topic as well as any UI topics are where ZOS needs to be sensitive to platform specific logic.

@ZOS_GinaBruno and/or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
PC - @names don't need to be in the UI by default but there can be value to display that in the text chat box via some settings options. I can't see any logic even in the Gamepad UI to show the @name

PS4/Xbox One - These platforms will require @names to coincide with policies for each platform which actually differ.

The way to address this is a logic based approach.
Ie:
-Group UI (settings for bother or either)
-Guild UI (@name as is that also details character names - no changes)
-Targeting in combat UI (settings based options)
-voice chat pop-ups (follows player user settings not other players settings)
*Here is where a communication issue arises as the other user wants to detail both what they see and what they present so that other players refer to them based on settings. This applies to all platforms so best of luck with your decisions

It's simple to say it needs options but I don't see a logic based solution outside of showing both.

Cronopoly · May 2016

@ZOS

This is a very short sited idea having this info public. Would you like your bank UserID public, No.

The fact is that many people use some similar banking UserID's as they have here. Guildies is one thing, but every crook & email spammer now is going to have a holiday. smh.

Additionally I hope your login servers don't kick people from the game because some idiot decided to spam logins and revoke someone elses UserId for bad passwords... I'm praying your system won't allow it. Hoping that was tested Otherwise someone doesnt like you in PVP, spam his Userid at login and get him/her locked out...

Again praying this was thought out.

Zouni · May 2016

It looks messy. All those name tags and such. It looked much nicer before.

Myrnhiel · May 2016

I keep everything that is displayed on my screen to a minimun - the only permanent things I allow are a minimap, the compass above, my ability bar and an ingame clock - everything else (concerning quests, other players etc.) is completely switched off and I really like it this way - I want to have an empty, information-free screen while I'm playing, keeping everything to as much minimum as possible.

The userIDs displayed now irritate me greatly - the difference between a beautiful, well thought-of and lore-friendly character's name and a totally ridiculous userID beneath is completely disturbing my immersion. For me immersion is a very important thing in TES - always was - and in my opinion the display of the userID gives this immersion a huge crack.

I don't like everybody to see my userID either - not because it's ugly or ridiculous - for me it's a private thing and I don't want everybody to see it. When I started ESO I was really happy that only my character's name showed.
I know that my userID is shown when joining a guild (that's one of the "prices" you have to pay for being a guild member), and if someone wants to know it by putting me on ignore - that's fine by me (I don't think anyone is that interested in my character to go through this "effort" anyway) .

But I definitely don't want the ID being "shouted" at everybody like it is now. I know it's an MMO - but I am a solo player - and as a solo player I like to be as anonymous as possible. This change takes away a big part of my anonymity.

Now there are three very promiment lines jumping above everybody's head (healthbar, level/CP-level + character's name + symbol for alliance rank, user-ID + sometimes a very long title) and that's way too much for my taste. I really - really - would like to have a toggle-off option - for the IDs of other players as well as for mine.

Aelthwyn · May 2016

I really hate the addition of the @ name. It’s not that I’m worried about security, I just find it extra clutter that I don’t need to know. I understand that it might seem useful to SOME people, and I’d be fine if there was a way to toggle whether you see other people’s (and perhaps also whether or not yours is shown).

I definitely find it immersion breaking. I just want to see the character names of all those random people running around beside me, I don’t want to be reminded there is some real life person sitting around in their pajamas at a computer behind each one of those characters, and I really don’t need to know whatever their username might imply about them. While you do get immersion-breaking character names, people’s usernames are faaaar more likely to not have anything to do with Tamriel, ESO, or the character they are currently playing. It’s just awkward and annoying if you ask me. I really don’t want to see these everywhere.

And as I pointed out in another thread about this:

A username can definitely give certain impressions, and there are many things people might assume about you (whether rightly or not) based on the username you chose. While people could previously find out your username if they wanted to, it wasn’t usually part of their first impression of your character before now. I’d rather people not jump to conclusions about others based on username, and just respond to how someone is playing a given character at the time.

Additionally, (possible instances of discrimination aside), people sometimes interact differently with you if you’re playing a male or female character based on their assumption of you being male or female. I think in some cases username may appear to imply a gender which may interfere with how you want a particular character to interact and be perceived by others.

I also have to agree with the person who said keeping track of players is a little creepy… and I don’t really see why you’d need to be able to see the username behind the character All the time at first glance. Another thing to consider is that some people may have used the same or very similar usernames on other websites where they may not be particularly interested in being contacted by someone who recognizes them from ESO. Again, yes you could discover their username previously without too much difficulty, but it wasn’t in your face all the time without trying, it was less likely to be noted and remembered. I think it’s perfectly valid for people to prefer to be seen first and foremost as the characters they are playing in ESO, not by their username which can have other outside of game connections or implications that they’d rather not be easily seen by others.

Abeille · May 2016

Vandus wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

If someone has/knows an addon that hides other people's @names, please speak up.

pChat

Allows you to choose to see both character name and user id, or one or the other, also has other nifty functions.

Oh I love that one. They updated it for hiding it on target too? I already use for the guild chat (and to make text chat prettier and overall more organized).

TX12001rwb17_ESO · May 2016

And what about those who have characters on all 3 alliances? did ZOS think about that? no they didn't because now those people will be recognizable by their ID and may be outted because people know that they were PVPing against them the day before, or they know now that the person they are running a dungeon with was the person who stole 10000 Tel Var stones from them an hour before hand.

Witar · May 2016

It's pretty much stupid running around with nickname "Mighty Wizard" all while anybody could see that your id is something like "smellyoldsock228". Please remove that. It breaks immersion.

SteveCampsOut · May 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

What does it matter?
No one can do something with your @name. Your account is as secure as before the change.

I'll tell you why it matters! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accidentally cut and pasted their password to zone chat before and I'm sure I won't be the last. With @Names now so easily seen it would only take someone a second to snag my account if it happens again.

I would be pretty surprised if this was a widespread thing. Why would you be pasting your account password? I don't care whether your @name is visible or not. If you paste your password to zone chat, you drop everything and change it. Now.

Also, they would still need access to your email.

I have dropped everything and changed my password when I've done it and no they don't need an email password when you change your password it just changes and send you a notification that it has been changed. As for why I paste my password, it's simply faster to paste it than type it in manually because it's long, complicated and I have arthritis! Doesn't really matter why in any case does it?