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What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
The whole reason everyone gets 30cp is so its balanced and they can see how it works, only that's not true when there are still Vet levels as people are at different power levels.
If ZOS goes through with giving everyone 30cp in the name of balance, then they better actually deliver that balance.
Doing it over two patches stops it ever being balanced, so they can never get any metrics of how things work, in a balanced environment. Which means they will have created all this drama for no real reason.
I agree.
But, then again, we have been paying them for nearly a year to write a whole new core game. The only thing that remains is the quest content.0 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
You will have level 50 content. Just like the VR1 people who got the same points as you.
Edit: Meaning all XP has been normalized already. I agree with your assertions for the most part.Edited by Robocles on January 8, 2015 6:49PM1 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not just skill points....it's the fact a vr1 still has all the content to do a vr14 cant....content we thought we were going to get exp for that we aren't going to get now. It's putting vr14 people at a disadvantage going down the road....which is why a bunch might just leave the game
You are only at a disadvantage if they don't balance xp correctly. I believe this is what Kai was referring to saying you would not be at a disadvantage.
So long as repeatable content awards the same xp as the current VR quests, you are no worse off, for attaining new CP.
Just because people who have not yet done all the quests in the VR1-10 zones, will be able to do them after the patch to get XP, that does not put you at a disadvantage, as the fact you have already done them, means you were going to have to do repeatable content anyway.
And anyone that particularly hates the idea of doing repeatable content, that has already done all the quests, would still have no quests to do even if they had awarded the points for it.
Unfortunately, most people are just treating them balancing it incorrectly as fact, before we even know it.
Except they won't have the points anyone else who's done that content would have. So, either the points mean so little that we shouldn't care... or we will have to find other ways to get them so we can have the same playing field for that exact same repeatable content.
While the other people have being doing those quests, you have already started doing the repeatable content. It's repeatsble, your not limited to being only able to play it a certain amount. Repeatable, look it up today.2 -
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I'm just wondering how you are planning on doing that, since the reward you get for all content at Veteran is the same regardless of what VR you actually are at (except mob XP, which VR14s get less of for lower ranked mobs).[...] those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Kraven✭✭✭✭✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
The whole reason everyone gets 30cp is so its balanced and they can see how it works, only that's not true when there are still Vet levels as people are at different power levels.
If ZOS goes through with giving everyone 30cp in the name of balance, then they better actually deliver that balance.
Doing it over two patches stops it ever being balanced, so they can never get any metrics of how things work, in a balanced environment. Which means they will have created all this drama for no real reason.
Which reverts back to the fact that many V14 have already completed so much content that they can never do again. The entire point of champion system is to remove the gap, fine but if me having 140 cp and you having just 30 means that there is a gap then the system has failed in its primary function already.
Introducing CP before removing Vet means that when Vet is finally removed I'm not exactly the same as that person who hit V1 the day before 1.6 hits. IF you completely and totally just erase absolutely everything I've already done and say "Here, now you're level 50 but we removed this content so you can't do it." without giving us that time to earn more cp than you've lost even more players.
Had they came out and said everyone is getting reverted to level 50 you will be rewarded 5cp per vet level up to a max of 70, then yes I think doing it all in one go would be better.
Gaps exist, they will always exist. Trying to remove those gaps between players who play 30hours a week versus those that play 2 hours a week is what leads to the downfall of many games. It's why you can buy max level characters in other games, and why you can earn "raid" gear for free, which in turn is why there is no reason to earn it and if there is no reason to earn progression then there is no reason to play. I get that casuals are generally the most vocal. I get that every game has to have casuals to pay the bills. However, casuals have to have something to work toward. A reason to improve. A goal to reach and that is where the gap comes in. If I have the best of the best gear and can match the best of the best heals/tank/dps and I only play 2 hours a week then why would anyone play more than that?
Balance and equality between super casuals and hardcore is a pipe dream that does not belong in mmos. Separation exists, separation is needed. No game that I am aware of is successful thanks to casuals alone.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"3 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭It's not just skill points....it's the fact a vr1 still has all the content to do a vr14 cant....content we thought we were going to get exp for that we aren't going to get now. It's putting vr14 people at a disadvantage going down the road....which is why a bunch might just leave the game
You are only at a disadvantage if they don't balance xp correctly. I believe this is what Kai was referring to saying you would not be at a disadvantage.
So long as repeatable content awards the same xp as the current VR quests, you are no worse off, for attaining new CP.
Just because people who have not yet done all the quests in the VR1-10 zones, will be able to do them after the patch to get XP, that does not put you at a disadvantage, as the fact you have already done them, means you were going to have to do repeatable content anyway.
And anyone that particularly hates the idea of doing repeatable content, that has already done all the quests, would still have no quests to do even if they had awarded the points for it.
Unfortunately, most people are just treating them balancing it incorrectly as fact, before we even know it.
Except they won't have the points anyone else who's done that content would have. So, either the points mean so little that we shouldn't care... or we will have to find other ways to get them so we can have the same playing field for that exact same repeatable content.
While the other people have being doing those quests, you have already started doing the repeatable content. It's repeatsble, your not limited to being only able to play it a certain amount. Repeatable, look it up today.
The amount of repeatable content in this game is laughable.3 -
smacx250✭✭✭✭✭You can repeat everything in the game on alts, and get CP for the "vet" content each time. If you want to repeat it or not is really up to you (I'm not too keen on it myself).4 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭
I'm just wondering how you are planning on doing that, since the reward you get for all content at Veteran is the same regardless of what VR you actually are at (except mob XP, which VR14s get less of for lower ranked mobs).[...] those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
1 stage of DSA is a substantial bit of XP. Why kill lower ranked mobs anyway? Sure if I run out to Coldharbor on my V14 I may get less xp than a V1 so what? At V14 I can duo in crag delves for very good xp, a V1 can only group with someone who is V5 max and still get xp. If they're good maybe they can duo it, but that's not common.
So I'm clearing Trials, DSA, CoA and vet dungeons scaled up at a considerably quicker pace than a V1. Specially since most fresh V1 are unable to even complete vet dungeons without being carried. I'm doing all endgame content while a V1 does the quests that I've already completed or grinds. Grinding is an option for everyone though, the group content isn't.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"2 -
smacx250✭✭✭✭✭
I never said it was "repeatable content" (which would imply "repeatable" by a character). But a given account can repeat the content on alts and still gain CP for the main (and alts). In some ways it is better than if it was "repeatable content", since it would be extra boring on a main as most of that content isn't scaleable. However, you do need to get to lvl 50, which won't give CP (but should give a boost to CP earn rate once you get there).2 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭
I never said it was "repeatable content" (which would imply "repeatable" by a character). But a given account can repeat the content on alts and still gain CP for the main (and alts). In some ways it is better than if it was "repeatable content", since it would be extra boring on a main as most of that content isn't scaleable. However, you do need to get to lvl 50, which won't give CP (but should give a boost to CP earn rate once you get there).
Extra boring? Like doing Silver and Gold over and over again on different characters isn't the epitome of boring? First and second wasn't too bad, 3+ will literally put you to sleep while doing it.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"1 -
Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭
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ZoSence (n.):
1) What is reasonable or comprehensive using ZoS logic. "That makes ZoSense"
2) Making zero sense. "That makes ZoSense"0 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
The whole reason everyone gets 30cp is so its balanced and they can see how it works, only that's not true when there are still Vet levels as people are at different power levels.
If ZOS goes through with giving everyone 30cp in the name of balance, then they better actually deliver that balance.
Doing it over two patches stops it ever being balanced, so they can never get any metrics of how things work, in a balanced environment. Which means they will have created all this drama for no real reason.
I get that casuals are generally the most vocal. I get that every game has to have casuals to pay the bills.
Sounds like you have a real issue with sharing your game with casuals! Read what you said, you say casuals are more vocal! I can't take anything you say seriously after that.
Having an attitude like yours, does any point you are trying to make such a great deal of harm, that you could be telling people how to get rich quick and they would not pay it any attention.
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭
I never said it was "repeatable content" (which would imply "repeatable" by a character). But a given account can repeat the content on alts and still gain CP for the main (and alts). In some ways it is better than if it was "repeatable content", since it would be extra boring on a main as most of that content isn't scaleable. However, you do need to get to lvl 50, which won't give CP (but should give a boost to CP earn rate once you get there).
Well... since we were discussing repeatable content, and you said that we could repeat content on alts, one can assume that's what you meant.
I'm not here to parse your statements.1 -
Francescolg✭✭✭✭(I believe, they never tracked anything)
That's it! Most important statement in the whole thread!
Btw, I did not trust ZoS
I stopped leveling any Alt in November, when I realized that some people behind the curtain are simply doing sth. wrong ....
Who kept leveling his alts and who thought anything would be "tracked", is not so intelligent, know why?
..because you trusted them!2 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
The whole reason everyone gets 30cp is so its balanced and they can see how it works, only that's not true when there are still Vet levels as people are at different power levels.
If ZOS goes through with giving everyone 30cp in the name of balance, then they better actually deliver that balance.
Doing it over two patches stops it ever being balanced, so they can never get any metrics of how things work, in a balanced environment. Which means they will have created all this drama for no real reason.
I get that casuals are generally the most vocal. I get that every game has to have casuals to pay the bills.
Sounds like you have a real issue with sharing your game with casuals! Read what you said, you say casuals are more vocal! I can't take anything you say seriously after that.
Having an attitude like yours, does any point you are trying to make such a great deal of harm, that you could be telling people how to get rich quick and they would not pay it any attention.
Casuals are more vocal indeed!
I actually have no problem playing with casuals, my wife is one. While you bounce all over the forums appearing more and more like a ZO employee or blind fanboi you should probably keep such unwarranted accusations to yourself.
Take one sentence out of an entire post and spin it to suit your needs, fine. The point I made stands but rather than debate the actual point you think to...what? Be dismissive? If you truly dismissed it then why bother responding to it at all? As far as making another blind assumption of my "attitude" let me define it for you. Concern.
I actually voiced reasons why I'm continuing to play the game despite the enumerable posts of people who are quitting. Feel free to make obviously weak minded attempts at attacking the person making the post instead of the addressing the actual points. Good job.
Take care, buh bye now.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"10 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
The whole reason everyone gets 30cp is so its balanced and they can see how it works, only that's not true when there are still Vet levels as people are at different power levels.
If ZOS goes through with giving everyone 30cp in the name of balance, then they better actually deliver that balance.
Doing it over two patches stops it ever being balanced, so they can never get any metrics of how things work, in a balanced environment. Which means they will have created all this drama for no real reason.
I get that casuals are generally the most vocal. I get that every game has to have casuals to pay the bills.
Sounds like you have a real issue with sharing your game with casuals! Read what you said, you say casuals are more vocal! I can't take anything you say seriously after that.
Having an attitude like yours, does any point you are trying to make such a great deal of harm, that you could be telling people how to get rich quick and they would not pay it any attention.
Casuals are more vocal indeed!
I actually have no problem playing with casuals, my wife is one. While you bounce all over the forums appearing more and more like a ZO employee or blind fanboi you should probably keep such unwarranted accusations to yourself.
And you accuse me of making unwarranted accusations? Do you even read what you type, before you hit post? in trying to be clever, you come across the exact opposite.Edited by Guppet on January 8, 2015 9:35PM5 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭You can repeat everything in the game on alts, and get CP for the "vet" content each time. If you want to repeat it or not is really up to you (I'm not too keen on it myself).
Its not ok to be forced to level alts to gain CP at a decent rate. Then counter in the fact the hardcore player base already have most of their 8 available character slots maxed out leaves a nightmare of a new system for us to deal with.
There is no way im going to come back to the game with the current system they have in place for 1.6/1.7 with all the work i have put into my characters.
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can repeat everything in the game on alts, and get CP for the "vet" content each time. If you want to repeat it or not is really up to you (I'm not too keen on it myself).
Its not ok to be forced to level alts to gain CP at a decent rate. Then counter in the fact the hardcore player base already have most of their 8 available character slots maxed out leaves a nightmare of a new system for us to deal with.
There is no way im going to come back to the game with the current system they have in place for 1.6/1.7 with all the work i have put into my characters.
Wonder what the total played is on that account. Someone ask him, he has me on ignore lol.5 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭The single biggest problem, is that they have delayed removing VR levels till 1.7 or later. It makes no sense to have both systems at the same time. It cant be about testing it sooner either as some have VR levels and others don't, so its not balanced anyway.
Saying it will be removed later is like saying go and have fun playing, but when you come back im gonna smack you in the face.
I think this whole thing would be less painful if they went the whole hog and removed VR completely when they bring in CP.
This is a terrible idea and would cause even more people to quit.
As it stands when 1.6 hits live and champion system becomes available I'm going to have V14 content to play on my V14 character earning V14 experience toward champion points. Which is why while I far from agree with CP30 it's not going to make me quit. I have the time between 1.6 and the vet removal to earn more CP than a brand new V1 can.
If they removed Vet ranks at the exact same time then it's an even bigger slap in the face. IF they compensated for vet ranks then it might have been a lot better to do it all in one fell swoop BUT with the blanket CP30 decision those of us at V14 HAVE to have that time period to earn more cp than your fresh V1.
The whole reason everyone gets 30cp is so its balanced and they can see how it works, only that's not true when there are still Vet levels as people are at different power levels.
If ZOS goes through with giving everyone 30cp in the name of balance, then they better actually deliver that balance.
Doing it over two patches stops it ever being balanced, so they can never get any metrics of how things work, in a balanced environment. Which means they will have created all this drama for no real reason.
I get that casuals are generally the most vocal. I get that every game has to have casuals to pay the bills.
Sounds like you have a real issue with sharing your game with casuals! Read what you said, you say casuals are more vocal! I can't take anything you say seriously after that.
Having an attitude like yours, does any point you are trying to make such a great deal of harm, that you could be telling people how to get rich quick and they would not pay it any attention.
Casuals are more vocal indeed!
I actually have no problem playing with casuals, my wife is one. While you bounce all over the forums appearing more and more like a ZO employee or blind fanboi you should probably keep such unwarranted accusations to yourself.
And you accuse me of making unwarranted accusations? Do you even read what you type, before you hit post? in trying to be clever, you come across the exact opposite.
Really? That's it? So sad.
And now...back to the point.You can repeat everything in the game on alts, and get CP for the "vet" content each time. If you want to repeat it or not is really up to you (I'm not too keen on it myself).
Its not ok to be forced to level alts to gain CP at a decent rate. Then counter in the fact the hardcore player base already have most of their 8 available character slots maxed out leaves a nightmare of a new system for us to deal with.
There is no way im going to come back to the game with the current system they have in place for 1.6/1.7 with all the work i have put into my characters.
Which is a big concern for a large number of people, from those with 1 V14 to those with 8 of them. I said it earlier but this is a good reason for the gap between 1.6 and when the vet ranks are removed. A V14 can earn (if the xp is done correctly) more CP between the two updates. So hopefully when ranks are actually removed they'll be sitting in a similar position to where they are now.
While they lost a LOT of trust of many of their players I personally will wait and see where I stand when vet is removed. If despite my continue play I'm sitting at only 35 CP and a brand new V1 gets 30 then I may join the exodus. However, if due to my continued play I'm sitting at CP150 and as long as after the removal I can still do the exact same content I am already doing (VDSA and SO specifically) then I'll get over it.
Those that quit prior to the removal of vet stand to be at a disadvantage if they ever do return. Because rather than earning CP while they're V14 they'll be reverted to 50 with the exact same CP30 as a V1. Again I don't agree with CP30 at all and think it is a horribly insulting decision that completely disregards a large portion of their player base.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"7 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭@Kraven
The problem with waiting to see what happens with taking no action to show disapproval is that you are still validating their current 30 cp decision. We need to look to the past and notice that this is a trend from ZoS and we have not been compensated for lost progress in previous situations. To name a few,
* Two months of a pvp campaign (Scurge) not credited after it was shut down.
* Months of Undaunted achievements farmed that didnt get back credited, originally leaving players a month behind on rep of newer/casual players.
* 3 months of subscription money taken from players who were on the fence about playing the game under the false promise that they would be rewarded for continuing to play with converted xp to champion points in the new system.
There is no way anyone would let this type of behavior happen from a company that promised you a service for money that wasnt an MMO/Gaming company. There is absolutely ZERO reason you should be fine with ZoS doing the same. Sitting here on their forums expressing our concerns is not enough. The best ways to make sure these things don't keep happening are to speak with our wallet and take this fight to outside gaming sites that ZoS doenst have censor control over.
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BCBasher✭✭✭@Kraven
* 3 months of subscription money taken from players who were on the fence about playing the game under the false promise that they would be rewarded for continuing to play with converted xp to champion points in the new system.
This is exactly where I'm at, I don't like being lied to. I had most of December off and have logged in maybe a half dozen times since the last eso live not because I don't like the game. I played other games that delivered what they said they would. The CC my account gets billed to (in advance) for their service is gone and I'm in no hurry to update my billing info.5 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭I was initially mad at this whole thing, but then I realised, I just don't give a damn. The game is still fun, the champion system still looks cool, and I am excited for much of the new content being worked on, so even if this is a bit inconvenient, lets all try being a little bit less of a ***.8 -
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✭And yet another day goes by without an answer from Zenimax in any of the four active posts concerning this problem. @ZOS_GinaBruno, the longer this answer is stalled the greater will be the community resentment towards ZoS. Right now it seems like the company is hiding behind a paper thin shield of silence because all our concerns are true and you were or still intend to retire the veteran system without compensating your players for the loss of those levels and the experience they represent.
Your silence is the worse answer you can give us for we will then assume the worst. We assume ESO is going free to play because you won't dispel that idea with a simple statement. We assume you are willing to completely ignore months of your most loyal player's time in the game because in your silence, you are confirming our fears.
The release of 1.6 and even the champion system is filled with obvious flaws. In name of balance ZoS says they will give 30 champion points to all accounts containing at least one veteran character. How great of ZoS to consider their new players and the disadvantage they will be facing once they reach vr1 and don't get those extra points!
As for ZoS fear of players accumulating too many points early, well... ZoS created that problem upon making Champion Points be account bound, not character bound. They made the problem worse by allowing players to configure how they spend CPs on each character instead of making the CP distribution Account wide (which would have forced those players with multiple accounts to distribute their points around the styles of each character).
It is also ZoS mistake that lead to the disparity between levels they are using to justify not giving the veteran ranks the promised CPs related to their accumulated Experience. After all, it is ZoS decision to partially release the champion system while keeping the Veteran Ranks still up. Because they weren't able to complete the tests on their system and the changes needed to all the questing in the veteran areas and gear, we are being penalized.
It is getting tiresome at least to me to come and write down concerns to get no answer... Ever... For over a week. I am at loss on what to do as I would prefer not to drop my subscription again, I like this game. I just start to truly despise the company that created the game.Edited by Grao on January 9, 2015 1:13AM6 -
Voodoo✭✭✭✭too the 4 or 5 of you who post in every thread bashing the CP change. Please dont use the term "player base" as a reference for your distain. I assure you there are alot of players who too put it mildly do not share your negative passion for the changes.8 -
too the 4 or 5 of you who post in every thread bashing the CP change. Please dont use the term "player base" as a reference for your distain. I assure you there are alot of players who too put it mildly do not share your negative passion for the changes.
its been said a everytime, this is said, its not the changes... its the method of execution. i loved EQ's AA system, which the CS system mimics. the problem is not compensating players for the REPLACEMENT of the VRs with the champion system. there are a number of ways to have implemented the system and this is the worse way (my opinion is the stupidest way) they could have.Edited by ahstin2001nub18_ESO on January 9, 2015 1:44AMI will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭too the 4 or 5 of you who post in every thread bashing the CP change. Please dont use the term "player base" as a reference for your distain. I assure you there are alot of players who too put it mildly do not share your negative passion for the changes.
That can be said about all sides , since there are some who bash the champion system implementation plans , some who defend those plans and some who support parts of those plans while disliking other parts of those plans2
