liquid_wolf wrote: »I am disappointed the XP tracking reward/conversion isn't going to happen.
I can understand the change, but it does mean there is no point for me to be playing until 1.6. I'd rather just hold off until PTS and release of 1.6 and continue from where I am currently at.
This is why they told us they were tracking our XP....so that we didn't unsub from October to 1.6, lying for monetary gain...card carrying @$$holes
liquid_wolf wrote: »I am disappointed the XP tracking reward/conversion isn't going to happen.
I can understand the change, but it does mean there is no point for me to be playing until 1.6. I'd rather just hold off until PTS and release of 1.6 and continue from where I am currently at.
This is why they told us they were tracking our XP....so that we didn't unsub from October to 1.6, lying for monetary gain...card carrying @$$holes
Where did ZOS say they would not reward VR14's when they actually remove VR, which is 1.7 or greater. Everyone is freaked out and ZOS is not helping themselves by not communicating more, but nothing that I can find says they will not give VR14's more latter, just not now.
So has a ZOS representative come out and said this would not happen ever? If so can you point me to the post?
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
Where did ZOS say they would not reward VR14's when they actually remove VR, which is 1.7 or greater.
liquid_wolf wrote: »I am disappointed the XP tracking reward/conversion isn't going to happen.
I can understand the change, but it does mean there is no point for me to be playing until 1.6. I'd rather just hold off until PTS and release of 1.6 and continue from where I am currently at.
This is why they told us they were tracking our XP....so that we didn't unsub from October to 1.6, lying for monetary gain...card carrying @$$holes
Where did ZOS say they would not reward VR14's when they actually remove VR, which is 1.7 or greater. Everyone is freaked out and ZOS is not helping themselves by not communicating more, but nothing that I can find says they will not give VR14's more latter, just not now.
So has a ZOS representative come out and said this would not happen ever? If so can you point me to the post?
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone,
As many of you know, the Champion System is designed to be a replacement for the Veteran System. Internally, we have been implementing and testing the Champion System for the last few months. During that iteration time we’ve learned a lot. This changed some of our intended launch goals for the system. Specifically of concern is the number of Champion Points earned before the system launches. Here are four of the most salient points with regards to the number of Champion Points earned when we launch phase 3 with Update 6 and the reasons for the change:
- The system needs to be integrated in phases, leaving the Veteran Ranks in place for phase 3.
Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.- The system should give more value for each point spent than originally conceived.
A second thing we learned is that each Champion Point needs to have more impact on the stats it is altering than originally planned. This came up frequently in our internal feedback sessions. Responding to that feedback, we decreased the number of overall points in the system (14,400 to 3,600), but kept the range of what they could alter the same. Because each point is more valuable there are less points overall in the system. Thus we can’t give out as many points with the introduction of the system as originally believed.- The system has to account for relative power values of the game.
We had to start narrowing down on the variables for our content in the game. Because we are changing many of the abilities and base factors in the gameplay, we needed to start with less of a variance in player power to achieve a good introduction of the system. Or more simply, the more points we give out now, the harder it is to find a good place between various balance points: PvP, overland content, Veteran Content, Craglorn, Dungeons, Trials, etc…- The system shouldn’t separate players more.
This is pretty self-explanatory, and is related to the first point. While the system is meant to have built in safeguards against players pulling away from each other too dramatically – those systems aren’t in currently. A 1-to-1 XP conversion to Champion XP was too dramatic.
Also, when phase 3 of the Champion System goes live with Update 6, all accounts that have at least one Veteran Rank character on them will automatically receive 30 Champion Points. These 30 Champion Points, though applied to your account, are distributed in full to each individual character on your account, just as Champion Points you earn are. So, if you have 5 characters, at least one of which is Veteran Rank 1 or higher, all five of those characters will have 30 CP to spend. You will not be awarded more Champion Points for having five Veteran Characters versus just one. You will also be able to begin earning Champion Points on any Veteran Rank character from that point forward.
We feel confident that our current solution is better for the enjoyment of the game overall than our originally announced design. This comes from weeks of testing the system. While iterating on solutions and changing the design is a normal and necessary part of the game making process, we definitely understand how changes to a system like this can be frustrating and seem to come from nowhere.
That said, we’re going to continue to be open about our plans and designs for the future of ESO. While a change in development like this can be frustrating, it isn’t a reason for us to not communicate. We never intend to mislead, but sometimes even our best ideas just don’t work out once they get into the game. We feel the Champion System is still going to be a fun way for you to keep customizing your character to suit your tastes and specializing in ways that make you unique. We’re looking forward to you giving it a trial run on the PTS, and sending us your feedback.
liquid_wolf wrote: »I am disappointed the XP tracking reward/conversion isn't going to happen.
I can understand the change, but it does mean there is no point for me to be playing until 1.6. I'd rather just hold off until PTS and release of 1.6 and continue from where I am currently at.
This is why they told us they were tracking our XP....so that we didn't unsub from October to 1.6, lying for monetary gain...card carrying @$$holes
Where did ZOS say they would not reward VR14's when they actually remove VR, which is 1.7 or greater. Everyone is freaked out and ZOS is not helping themselves by not communicating more, but nothing that I can find says they will not give VR14's more latter, just not now.
So has a ZOS representative come out and said this would not happen ever? If so can you point me to the post?
They said that upon the release of 1.6 everyone with a veteran rank character will be given 30 champion points, just 30 points. Unfortunately their vague statement, left to interpretation can mean they don't plan to reward us with additional CPs... Ever.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
OK maybe I am just dumb and am missing it completely, but again all the posts are referring to is 1.6 while the VR's are still in place and they do not rule out any future changes when VR goes away.
In fact they have avoided any discussion of what life will be like when there are no VR ranks at all.
Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
OK maybe I am just dumb and am missing it completely, but again all the posts are referring to is 1.6 while the VR's are still in place and they do not rule out any future changes when VR goes away.
In fact they have avoided any discussion of what life will be like when there are no VR ranks at all.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
I have read it over and over and nowhere is it said that when VR completely goes away you will not be compensated somehow. It talks about the fact that when 6 is released will be the only time that anyone will get 30CP after that it is one point at a time. So if you are at 49 the day of, to bad you lose.DanielMaxwell wrote: »@Heruthema read @ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
I have read it over and over and nowhere is it said that when VR completely goes away you will not be compensated somehow. It talks about the fact that when 6 is released will be the only time that anyone will get 30CP after that it is one point at a time. So if you are at 49 the day of, to bad you lose.DanielMaxwell wrote: »@Heruthema read @ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
It does not say anything about 1.7 when vets go away. I am just trying to get confirmation of whether or not ZOS actually said that all the work put in by all the players to get to VR14 counts for nothing. I know they will never actually say that but if they have said that they are not going to compensate at a latter date, please show me the post.
I do understand how it can be interpreted by what was said, and more importantly was not said, that they intend to not compensate players at a latter date, but I have not actually read those words.
I have read it over and over and nowhere is it said that when VR completely goes away you will not be compensated somehow. It talks about the fact that when 6 is released will be the only time that anyone will get 30CP after that it is one point at a time. So if you are at 49 the day of, to bad you lose.DanielMaxwell wrote: »@Heruthema read @ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
It does not say anything about 1.7 when vets go away. I am just trying to get confirmation of whether or not ZOS actually said that all the work put in by all the players to get to VR14 counts for nothing. I know they will never actually say that but if they have said that they are not going to compensate at a latter date, please show me the post.
I do understand how it can be interpreted by what was said, and more importantly was not said, that they intend to not compensate players at a latter date, but I have not actually read those words.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
xMovingTarget wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You will get lots of CS points to make up for the XP you gained as Vet.
BUT ONLY WHEN YOU CEASE TO HAVE VET CHARACTERS.
I give up with you lot. Got better things to do then spell out the obvious and what ZOS has said since day 1
It is not obvious as they did not say that in Gina' post.
You wont get any CS for tracked XP ever. Not even when they get rid of VR.
Source: German Thread
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143786/erklaerungen-zum-championsystem#latestZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »Das ist nicht geplant. Wie eingangs geschrieben, spricht die im Designprozess eingetretene Reduzierung der maximal möglichen Championpunkte und die Erhöhung ihrer Bedeutung gegen die ursprünglich großzügiger geplante Verteilung von Start-Championpunkten für existierende Spieler.ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »Dies steht im Widerspruch zu früher getroffenen Aussagen, dass es mehr Championpunkte geben und dass diese Anzahl bis zu einer gewissen Obergrenze auf der accountweit erspielten Erfahrung basieren würde. Der Plan hat sich in der Zwischenzeit geändert und wir entschuldigen uns für die Verwirrung.
Und wir können vermutlich auch davon ausgehen, dass nicht geplant ist, die accountweit erspielte Erfahrung zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt auf die Championpunkte anzurechnen, korrekt?
Wir wollen aber sicher stellen, dass Spieler, die die meisten Inhalte schon abgeschlossen haben, beim Gewinn von weiteren Championpunkten nicht benachteiligt sind.
So, all gathered xp is lost! *applause to ZoS once again*
Thanks to @xMovingTarget for finding this. Their plans seem fairly clear now. I guess I was right to cancel my subscription. Hopefully, they change course before this goes live. Here is the German convo run through a translator (sorry if it's not a perfect translation..I don't speak German):
ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »
This is in contrast to earlier statements made that there will be more points champion and that this number would be based to a certain upper limit on the account far earned experience. The plan has changed in the meantime and we apologize for the confusion.
Leijona wrote: »
And we can probably assume that there are no plans to credit the account wide experience earned at a later date on the points champion , correct?
ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »
This is not planned. As initially written , says that has occurred in the design process reducing the maximum possible points champion and increasing their importance to the originally planned generous distribution of start- Champion points for existing players .
But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion.
It's the last line that keeps standing out where Kai said and I quote "But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion."
So what did he mean by that? I read it as they are still concerned and do want to compensate but have not yet decided how.
DanielMaxwell wrote: »It's the last line that keeps standing out where Kai said and I quote "But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion."
So what did he mean by that? I read it as they are still concerned and do want to compensate but have not yet decided how.
that is really up to you , you can wait and see what happens or you can draw a conclusion based on the information you currently have and hope for what you consider the best outcome.
I read it as current plans may change based on feedback from the PTS .
DanielMaxwell wrote: »It's the last line that keeps standing out where Kai said and I quote "But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion."
So what did he mean by that? I read it as they are still concerned and do want to compensate but have not yet decided how.
that is really up to you , you can wait and see what happens or you can draw a conclusion based on the information you currently have and hope for what you consider the best outcome.
I read it as current plans may change based on feedback from the PTS .
That is pretty much how I read it also. That was my whole point that nothing has been written in stone except that when 1.6 rolls out we will get 30CP, subject to change of course. We are not even at PTS 1.6 yet let alone 1.7. I do believe that VR2-14 will be compensated eventually.
DanielMaxwell wrote: »It's the last line that keeps standing out where Kai said and I quote "But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion."
So what did he mean by that? I read it as they are still concerned and do want to compensate but have not yet decided how.
that is really up to you , you can wait and see what happens or you can draw a conclusion based on the information you currently have and hope for what you consider the best outcome.
I read it as current plans may change based on feedback from the PTS .
That is pretty much how I read it also. That was my whole point that nothing has been written in stone except that when 1.6 rolls out we will get 30CP, subject to change of course. We are not even at PTS 1.6 yet let alone 1.7. I do believe that VR2-14 will be compensated eventually.
I'm the OP on this and I agree with alot of you guys. I'm just hoping that before 1.7 we get a little extra CP....but as of right now we aren't. Lets all hope it's gets better
I'm the OP on this and I agree with alot of you guys. I'm just hoping that before 1.7 we get a little extra CP....but as of right now we aren't. Lets all hope it's gets better
Good to see you are still around @Joejudas!
And I don't think we should get more CPs right now. I think ZoS should change how this 30 "free" CPs will be distributed, so those that enter Vr1 after the patch drops still get the same advantage, otherwise, while trying to balance out the levels, they will be creating imbalance.
On 1.7 or whenever the veteran system is retired, then I think those currently (before the release of 1.6) on veteran levels should have their current exp (before 1.6) converted to champion points.
Kai told us, that they don't plan to compensate us in any way at a later point. His last sentence only indicates, that they might raise the XP you get for doing things like grinding, PvP, trials or dungeons.
But what you have allready done will still be lost.
When I asked that question, my husband told me, that this was allready clear and I said to him, that there will still be players, who will think a compensation might occure at a later point. That's why I asked, so we have an official answer written down.
They say, they don't compensate us for the "tracked XP" (I believe, they never tracked anything), so the cap between players wouldn't get to big. A compensation at a later point would have the same effect, as a compensation with 1.6. So it would be naive to expect a later compensation.