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What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character
this is the part that i am not so sure about, i thought that anytime we gained ANY xp at all it counted towards the champion system, but here you are saying we Must be level 50 in order for that to happen? we cant gain cp's from a level 10, or any character under level 50?
i hope that is not true.0 -
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✭You can only gain CP's by using your level 50+. but the points will be available for all characters to use0 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character
this is the part that i am not so sure about, i thought that anytime we gained ANY xp at all it counted towards the champion system, but here you are saying we Must be level 50 in order for that to happen? we cant gain cp's from a level 10, or any character under level 50?
i hope that is not true.
That is one of the things i am certain they said , I think it is for balance reasons .1 -
criscal✭✭✭whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »Wolfenbelle wrote: »
ZOS has made none of this clear as far as I know. They are basically reinventing and relaunching their game on the backs of all current players, no matter what level they are at presently. What has been presented so far is not pretty.
And that is another thing, when I was in the Beta, I played the game knowing, my character was going to get wiped, one of the reasons I copied the creation of "Kotaro Atani" to video, so was I could recreate him when the game went live.. and then I did during early access..
(thank god I never deleted that video, I almost did once)
So then I kept the video thinking, what IF?? I don't know... what if something failed and my character got wiped or something, I could recreate him by making an ALT..
Now it's kinda like that all over again, all that XP flushed down the tube, and nothing in return except what everyone who is VR1 is getting, 30 CP, because they are reinventing the game and want people to be at everyone's level ..
Now this is what I have to say, I've been lied to and mislead by ZOS already when it comes to this situation with the XP and it's made me really angry..
But...
I made a new ALT duplicate of my main and I will use him when the Champion system comes online...
but I swear to god and the world at large....
If they do something like this ever again, (wipe us/neuter us and start anew like we are still in a damn Beta again), then I am gone..
Fool me once, shame on me... fool me twice and I am gone.
Well, for beta they had the carrot dangling that the decision of wiping the chars is likely, but not fixed. As a reward you got a monkey, when it should have been a guinea pig
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, for beta they had the carrot dangling that the decision of wiping the chars is likely, but not fixed. As a reward you got a monkey, when it should have been a guinea pig.
Pretty sure that was an oblique reference to "even 1000 monkeys hitting a keyboard can type Hamlet, if given enough time."Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
Even if they weren't actually tracking XP, all they really had to do was simply give everyone a flat 30 CP to start with and then one extra CP per VR level for each VR character that a player has.
If you had five VR 14s on your account you'd get just another 65 CP to spend... for a grand total of 95... out of a possible 3600, a whopping 2.5% leg up on the new system.
Would that unbalance the game? Absolutely not. Would it at least acknowledge the efforts of those die hard fans, those who have devoted hundreds of hours to the game and stop their anger? Probably!
But nope, instead we have ZOS sticking to their guns on the single most unpopular move since beta, only delaying the inevitable, and generating twenty massive forum threads chock full of player irritation.
It just makes no sense.Edited by ramasurinenpreub18_ESO on December 30, 2014 8:12AM3 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem is that the exp we got is being taken from us without anything to reward it. We don't want to have to grind like crazy to keep up with the guys that are vr1 questing... It isn't fair. We already the questing, we did the leveling, so why are our points being denied to us?
How are your points being denied to you? You have just as much of a chance to get them as a VR1 character. You just have one less option to do so. It doesn't mean those points are gone forever.
Whoever said you needed to "grind like crazy" in order to keep up with them? If the highest character someone has by 1.6 is a VR1, do you really think they're going to be grinding out quests?
Not exactly.
I'm looking at 65 million xp of quests between 5 v14s that I can never earn. There are no other options for me to solo earn those outside of playing pvp (which I do not like to do and also don't know how it compares). Most daily stuff is group content, no new zones will be added for months.
And sure, a casual player may not suddenly grind out quests, but there could be someone just like me that just goes from one character to the next, doing quests and started later than me so is only around v1 when the system hits. They could very easily have the 5 v14s I have a few months after 1.6 launches - I certainly cannot. I only have 2.5 more slots left (one is v5 and half way through content). That's all the xp I can earn from questing. Any other xp I earn will be from waiting around until my friends get on to do group content.
It's b.s. that I'm screwed over by this when a giving me a couple points per vet level wouldn't have put me that far ahead of the 30 a v1 gets. Now, just like undaunted, or crafting achieves, I get to watch new players pass me by while I sit there without as many tools to earn points as they have.
Here's the thing I really don't get at all. How exactly does this advantage the casual? They would need to suddenly start playing massively more than they had been before, while you play massively less, for them to get ahead even slightly. Do you honestly think that's about to happen, or are you just being far too overly dramatic?
You have 5 VR14's you must have a played on all your characters probably in excess of 100days, that's going to be 50+ hours a week on average. In what world will a casual suddenly catch you up, neigh over take you?
Well, if you read what I wrote- I specifically said not casuals, but newer players that play as much as a player like me that just got into the game later.
So these payers that come in and put in as much time and dedication as yourself (from the time they have joined), they could quite possibly make good people for you to group with, but you would rather cut off your ability to group with these new players because "you were here first"?
Letting them catch up increases the pool of players you can play with, that's the point of holding us all back. I just don't get this at all, how is having a wider pool of players to play with in anyway a bad thing?
Even for competitive trials players, how is having more players competing with you a bad thing? Surly that increases the prestige of being at the top.
Same with PVP, how is having more people to fight with and against bad?
More players makes being highly ranked all the more significant, in any area of the game, unless people don't believe they have the skill to stay there and see these new players as a threat.Edited by Guppet on December 30, 2014 9:42AM6 -
kungmoo✭✭✭Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
level an alt to improve the toon we have spent months on already..... you know, the character we WANT to play...
yeah that sounds right....
Edited by kungmoo on December 30, 2014 9:54AMSome men are alive simply because it is against the law to kill them. -Edward W. Howe4 -
Chivana✭✭✭There won't be more players in a game where you can't trust in dev statements, where they trick you into staying subscripted and then just wipe your progress without giving the promised reward in exchange.
ZOS behaviour might not be against their TOS, but for sure against what we call "Treu und Glauben" here in Germany.
It's a shame that they will probably get away with it and a shame how many players still refuse to see the truth, keep playing and even defend them.Chivana "Amazon Queen" Krelog (Chivana@Chivana)6 -
Enaijo✭✭✭We made Rank 14 at Vanilla WOW, it took a long time and a few weeks later everyone and his cat could get the title.
EA made a server move at SWTOR, thousands of players lost their legacy, guild and char names - no compensation ever.
That's something completely different and I'm sure you know it ... the same would be, if you have to start over at tlevel ~5 every time there is a new expansion for WoW, without the possibility to repeat the quests you have already done and Blizzard told you in advance, that this would not be the case. Even the merging of servers is hardly the same ...2 -
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✭So, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.Edited by Grao on December 30, 2014 10:10AM3 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭So, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.
To be honest its simply a numbers game, they realize that their game has attracted swarms of super casuals who want everyone to be the same so that is what they are trying to do.
It worked for WoW but unfortunately it will not work for ZoS as they are not as established. The super casuals will soon realize that they still can't do content and are still being destroyed by more skilled players, once they realize this they will leave the game in swarms as will many of the loyal customers they betrayed.
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »So, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.
To be honest its simply a numbers game, they realize that their game has attracted swarms of super casuals who want everyone to be the same so that is what they are trying to do.
It worked for WoW but unfortunately it will not work for ZoS as they are not as established. The super casuals will soon realize that they still can't do content and are still being destroyed by more skilled players, once they realize this they will leave the game in swarms as will many of the loyal customers they betrayed.
gg.
But hey! I bet they will give us a pet for all our efforts. Or maybe an achievement.7 -
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✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »So, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.
To be honest its simply a numbers game, they realize that their game has attracted swarms of super casuals who want everyone to be the same so that is what they are trying to do.
It worked for WoW but unfortunately it will not work for ZoS as they are not as established. The super casuals will soon realize that they still can't do content and are still being destroyed by more skilled players, once they realize this they will leave the game in swarms as will many of the loyal customers they betrayed.
gg.
You are right that they are targeting more casual players.
How much time does a causal play, how much a super casual, care to quantify this new demographic? Super casual? lol.3 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »So, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.
To be honest its simply a numbers game, they realize that their game has attracted swarms of super casuals who want everyone to be the same so that is what they are trying to do.
It worked for WoW but unfortunately it will not work for ZoS as they are not as established. The super casuals will soon realize that they still can't do content and are still being destroyed by more skilled players, once they realize this they will leave the game in swarms as will many of the loyal customers they betrayed.
gg.
You are right that they are targeting more casual players.
How much time does a causal play, how much a super casual, care to quantify this new demographic? Super casual? lol.
Basically a farmville guy who thinks that if he just had the CP and gear a non casual had he would be good.6 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭Lol ^^^^^ it's like the first time I ran Trials with a good end game guild and they asked me what armor I had on....and they threw me out of the raid and said go make this gear and come back.
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭Or when you ask someone to post there dps using FTC and they say they don't have a damage counter....but are sure they have good dps.....super casual8
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AlcastClass RepresentativeSo, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.
Dude you better quit the game before you will get a heart attack. If that was all that kept you here you should maybe consider playing smth else.
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭The moment they said VR was being removed, months ago, people should have realized at that point, that the game was going to go in a more casual direction.
Oh wait the forums were awash with players complaining it invalidated their status, at that time, but they still desperately trying to cling to their status.
Edited by Guppet on December 30, 2014 11:27AM6 -
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✭LonePirate wrote: »I remain baffled as to why ZOS did not implement a system where you receive X number of Champion Points depending on how much of the 13,000,000 XP needed to reach VR14 which you have earned.
I've wondered the same thing. You would think that there are, by now, tons and tons of data about character progression and how it relates to content completed between level 0 and v14. So, why is it that with CS implemented, ZoS don't do a conversion? There are basically two answers I can think of:
1) for the conspiracy theorists: they can, but they don't want to. They want people to repeat content to keep them occupied and paying longer.
2) for reasonable people: ZoS aren't actually confident they know how progression will work out under the CS system. Once you go ahead compensate people based on a projection, and it turns out the projection was wrong, then yes, making corrections "on the fly", with everyone spread out in the CP field, will become an absolute nightmare. Rather than merely adjust progression to a more desired rate, you'd actually have to adjust it to re-shape the player separation you created initially.
Edited by Muizer on December 30, 2014 11:26AMPlease stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!3 -
LonePirate wrote: »I remain baffled as to why ZOS did not implement a system where you receive X number of Champion Points depending on how much of the 13,000,000 XP needed to reach VR14 which you have earned.
I've wondered the same thing. You would think that there are, by now, tons and tons of data about character progression and how it relates to content completed between level 0 and v14. So, why is it that with CS implemented, ZoS don't do a conversion? There are basically two answers I can think of:
1) for the conspiracy theorists: they can, but they don't want to. They want people to repeat content to keep them occupied and paying longer.
2) for reasonable people: ZoS aren't actually confident they know how progression will work out under the CS system. Once you go ahead compensate people based on a projection, and it turns out the projection was wrong, then yes, making corrections "on the fly", with everyone spread out in the CP field, will become an absolute nightmare. Rather than merely adjust progression to a more desired rate, you'd actually have to adjust it to re-shape the player separation you created initially.
regarding the bold:
i would just change it to "thought they could, but when they found the cost to make the conversion decided not to, but kept the story to keep subscriptions for a form of paid console testing."
otherwise you i agree. i think the biggest part of this is that they are trying to put a puzzle together before they have even made the puzzle, let alone found all the pieces. they won't win, if that is the case. the CS is FAR from a new concept and there are quite a few ways they SHOULD have done this out there to learn from. on top of that, they should have kept it out until the new solo zone came out in one package. but i too am feeling more and more like a (ex)paying beta tester at this point. i think the only reason they are giving the 30 points, is so that more players have the points for testing the system.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you for getting in touch with us. My name's Lloyd, and I've just had your help request escalated to me. I can completely understand your frustration, and it's great to see you're so passionate about the game!
We've had a number of contacts regarding this, and please know that we do take all feedback on board. Because of how popular the topic is, our Community team has posted a large clarification thread on the forums. You can find it here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143784/champion-system-clarification. I believe the main point you would need to read is point one, where it addresses the power differential between Veteran Ranks remaining in place for phase 3, so that your progression isn't lost.
At this time, we do not have any additional information past what has been posted there. As more becomes available to us, the thread will be updated.
I hope that allays some of your concerns. Please don't hesitate to reply with any questions you may have, and I'll do my best to address them.
Warmest regards,
Lloyd
The Elder Scrolls Online Team
I read this and next action was to cancel subscription. I didn't do game's content just to be Vr14 with 30CP in phase 3, I did it to be competitive in long run. If ZOS cares only about balancing phase 3, they can balance it without my money...Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!8 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Lettigall did you reply with a screenshot of your unsub....you should
That proves nothing, you an unsub and resub in an instant with not cost to yourself. Its exactly like flicking on a lightswitch.2 -
Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Lettigall did you reply with a screenshot of your unsub....you should
Hmm great idea, they should see that some players don't simply whine about changes but are upset/angry enough to leave game. Unsubs probably will be best feedback's!
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on December 30, 2014 1:53PMSome men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!3 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »I remain baffled as to why ZOS did not implement a system where you receive X number of Champion Points depending on how much of the 13,000,000 XP needed to reach VR14 which you have earned.
I've wondered the same thing. You would think that there are, by now, tons and tons of data about character progression and how it relates to content completed between level 0 and v14. So, why is it that with CS implemented, ZoS don't do a conversion? There are basically two answers I can think of:
1) for the conspiracy theorists: they can, but they don't want to. They want people to repeat content to keep them occupied and paying longer.
2) for reasonable people: ZoS aren't actually confident they know how progression will work out under the CS system. Once you go ahead compensate people based on a projection, and it turns out the projection was wrong, then yes, making corrections "on the fly", with everyone spread out in the CP field, will become an absolute nightmare. Rather than merely adjust progression to a more desired rate, you'd actually have to adjust it to re-shape the player separation you created initially.
It's a combination of both, they made a huge booboo at the beginning and made it far to easy to level and had hordes of ppl get to v10 in days then quit the game. Now they are trying to reverse that but at the same time totally disregarding loyal customers.ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »I remain baffled as to why ZOS did not implement a system where you receive X number of Champion Points depending on how much of the 13,000,000 XP needed to reach VR14 which you have earned.
I've wondered the same thing. You would think that there are, by now, tons and tons of data about character progression and how it relates to content completed between level 0 and v14. So, why is it that with CS implemented, ZoS don't do a conversion? There are basically two answers I can think of:
1) for the conspiracy theorists: they can, but they don't want to. They want people to repeat content to keep them occupied and paying longer.
2) for reasonable people: ZoS aren't actually confident they know how progression will work out under the CS system. Once you go ahead compensate people based on a projection, and it turns out the projection was wrong, then yes, making corrections "on the fly", with everyone spread out in the CP field, will become an absolute nightmare. Rather than merely adjust progression to a more desired rate, you'd actually have to adjust it to re-shape the player separation you created initially.
regarding the bold:
i would just change it to "thought they could, but when they found the cost to make the conversion decided not to, but kept the story to keep subscriptions for a form of paid console testing."
otherwise you i agree. i think the biggest part of this is that they are trying to put a puzzle together before they have even made the puzzle, let alone found all the pieces. they won't win, if that is the case. the CS is FAR from a new concept and there are quite a few ways they SHOULD have done this out there to learn from. on top of that, they should have kept it out until the new solo zone came out in one package. but i too am feeling more and more like a (ex)paying beta tester at this point. i think the only reason they are giving the 30 points, is so that more players have the points for testing the system.
Agreed, for to long these companies have gotten away with the bad habit of well meaning customers willing to test their product for free and even while PAYING for it. It's our own fault really for letting them get away with it.@Lettigall did you reply with a screenshot of your unsub....you should
Hmm great idea, they should see that some players don't simply whine about changes but are upset/angry enough to leave game. Unsubs probably will be best feedback's to show that they can't *** players in the ass without consequences!
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you for getting in touch with us. My name's Lloyd, and I've just had your help request escalated to me. I can completely understand your frustration, and it's great to see you're so passionate about the game!
We've had a number of contacts regarding this, and please know that we do take all feedback on board. Because of how popular the topic is, our Community team has posted a large clarification thread on the forums. You can find it here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143784/champion-system-clarification. I believe the main point you would need to read is point one, where it addresses the power differential between Veteran Ranks remaining in place for phase 3, so that your progression isn't lost.
At this time, we do not have any additional information past what has been posted there. As more becomes available to us, the thread will be updated.
I hope that allays some of your concerns. Please don't hesitate to reply with any questions you may have, and I'll do my best to address them.
Warmest regards,
Lloyd
The Elder Scrolls Online Team
I read this and next action was to cancel subscription. I didn't do game's content just to be Vr14 with 30CP in phase 3, I did it to be competitive in long run. If ZOS cares only about balancing phase 3, they can balance it without my money...
Hah! you got the same email I got!!2 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Thanks for bringing this up. I don't think anyone has talked about this before.
@Etori , right! (Now all we need is a Poll...)
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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GreyBrow✭✭✭✭My two cents: A plain and simple, irrefutable fact:
A VR1 does not deserve 30 CP, if 30 CP is the amount of CP that a person with three VR14s deserves.
To say otherwise is to say that someone who spent 100 hours playing deserves the same reward as someone who spent 1000 hours playing.
If you're going to sit there and tell me that you think the above statement is not true, then I'd really like to have the emperor skill line, even though I didn't put in the work required to get emperor.
Maybe if I QQ'd enough on the forums about a power gap and a disparity between Former emps and normal players I'd get my way. How about it guys? Emp buffs for everyone?
Please and thanks!9 -
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✭✭✭✭People cancelling their subscription over the Champion Points debacle should just leave the forums and stop waving their 'I cancelled my subscription so now you have to listen to me' card.
And can I have your stuff?8