Account Wide Titles ruin Titles

Elsonso

colossalvoids wrote: »

Pretty sure ship have sailed on that one already. I also think titles should be character bound (but not achievement itself, just title attached). Won't bother me much though, would just quit replaying some content on some alts, that's it.

Pretty much this. Achiements are how i keep track of what an alt has been doing while i play a different alt. i swap between them for events and so i might not get back to stuff for a while.

I am mixed.

Tandor

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

Will it be optional please? Many of us have multiple characters who are played fully through the game as equal individuals, not as a main plus alts. Often they have different approaches and playstyles - for example, my Paladin-style Templar doesn't want to be saddled with my Assassin-style Nightblade's Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood achievements.

There's never overwhelming support for account-wide achievements when they come up for discussion, especially when you consider that those in favour are often against it including titles which they argue should be tied to a character's personal achievements.

How will this be implemented? If, for example, there's an achievement for killing 100 crabs, will they all have to be killed by one character to earn the achievement for all the characters, or if you have 10 characters can they each kill 10 crabs? Or will the achievement now require 1000 crabs to be killed across the account?

This change has been dropped on us with no information at all as to how it will work, but I assume you all know the answers to these sorts of questions if it's going on the PTS next week. It's a massive change that is thrilling some players and devastating others, yet it was casually dropped into the post reveal show as if it was a trivial bit of news. It isn't.

pamichic

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

@ZOS_Kevin my question is, for trial specific titles (like Tick-Tock Tormentor), I got it on my templar healer.

The way it was presented is I will be able to log into my Tank or my DPS and use that title???

How could I prove (going forward) that I healed it and not tanked it? Or the other way - what if I said I tanked it when I really healed it? How can someone verify the truth??

This is very upsetting from a trials guild GM perspective to recruit new players.

People can already respec characters and lie - I get that - but account wide??

Can we NOT do titles?? I'm fine with a global achievement thing (I don't really care) but I want to keep my individual achievements on my characters. I worked very hard to learn to heal, tank and DPS content to get the titles on specific characters - now I can just heal it and call it a day? Whats the point of learning a new role if the character already has the title from my previous clear?

Any info is appreciated.

James-Wayne

Been waiting for this for years and years, thank you ZOS!

p00tx

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

It's not the worst thing in the world for the majority of titles, but for trials achievements, it's a bit of a problem. Most trials runners rerun trifectas and title achievements with different characters, and it keeps many players coming back to the content over and over. For the sake of longevity in that particular part of the eso community, it might be worth it to reconsider this change.

Ishtarknows

pamichic wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

@ZOS_Kevin my question is, for trial specific titles (like Tick-Tock Tormentor), I got it on my templar healer.

The way it was presented is I will be able to log into my Tank or my DPS and use that title???

How could I prove (going forward) that I healed it and not tanked it? Or the other way - what if I said I tanked it when I really healed it? How can someone verify the truth??

This is very upsetting from a trials guild GM perspective to recruit new players.

People can already respec characters and lie - I get that - but account wide??

Can we NOT do titles?? I'm fine with a global achievement thing (I don't really care) but I want to keep my individual achievements on my characters. I worked very hard to learn to heal, tank and DPS content to get the titles on specific characters - now I can just heal it and call it a day? Whats the point of learning a new role if the character already has the title from my previous clear?

Any info is appreciated.

As it stands right now, you can respec your Templar healer into a tank or dd and still wear your titles. Nobody needs to know the role you played to get them.

Elsonso

One question I have is what is replacing Achievements for single-character accomplishments in the game?

Tandor

p00tx wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

It's not the worst thing in the world for the majority of titles, but for trials achievements, it's a bit of a problem. Most trials runners rerun trifectas and title achievements with different characters, and it keeps many players coming back to the content over and over. For the sake of longevity in that particular part of the eso community, it might be worth it to reconsider this change.

Longevity of the game is also dependent for a lot of players with multiple characters on having a reason to play them fully through the game, so giving them all the achievements at level 1 that the other characters on the account have earned over the years is a substantial barrier to their enjoyment of those characters. Such players need to be added to your trial runners as being disadvantaged by this change.

karekiz

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pamichic wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin my question is, for trial specific titles (like Tick-Tock Tormentor), I got it on my templar healer.

The way it was presented is I will be able to log into my Tank or my DPS and use that title???

How could I prove (going forward) that I healed it and not tanked it? Or the other way - what if I said I tanked it when I really healed it? How can someone verify the truth??

This is very upsetting from a trials guild GM perspective to recruit new players.

People can already respec characters and lie - I get that - but account wide??

Can we NOT do titles?? I'm fine with a global achievement thing (I don't really care) but I want to keep my individual achievements on my characters. I worked very hard to learn to heal, tank and DPS content to get the titles on specific characters - now I can just heal it and call it a day? Whats the point of learning a new role if the character already has the title from my previous clear?

Any info is appreciated.

Big trues. We currently DON'T have ANY system in ANY of the game that pops up a tag with achievements that can be posted on discord with character names linked to an achievement.

What were they thinking?

Gaebriel0410

Account-wide titles are a great QoL addition, I love it.

And well, the whole gatekeepery attitude about titles being only for prestige, kinda feels like it has the same hyper efficiency / gaming god prestige vibe that kept me from trying vet dungeons for years, until like last year. To my great surprise I found out it wasn't the Dark Souls blindfolded with two hands behind my back experience I expected, and could actually pull my weight nicely right off the bat, in several roles.

Titles are just another cosmetic option, really. If the player earned/unlocked it, it should be available. That's how most modern MMO's have done it, which imo is more respectful of the player's time.

SirAxen

WraithShadow13 wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

This new system ruins character development.

How?

I'm one person playing a game. If i unlock something, i want it to be UNLOCKED for me, not conditional. I don't want to have to go through and redo it over and over and over again for every character. How many times do i have to earn something before i've actually earned it?

This right here. If you've done it, you've done it.

Wolf_Eye

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

I do have one major concern. Some achievements are linked to certain questlines (example, you have to do Dark Brotherhood main questline in order to unlock some of them).

If these achievements are unlocked across the account and even on a character who has NOT touched the Dark Brotherhood, would the game treat them as having completed the questline (would the NPCs treat them as a member of the Dark Brotherhood and have the skill line unlocked in spite of the fact they have never completed any of those quests)?

If so, then I do not like this, because I have some characters who I specifically do NOT want to be considered evil, and I do not want NPCs treating them as though they are a member of the Brotherhood when I specifically avoided that questline on them.

It would also ruin the replayability of questlines on other characters.

So I am curious (and a little bit worried) to know how quest specific achievements will work in this regards.

Fischblut

where all the people who haven't thought this through have been begging for it for eight years

In GW2, I can change my main character at will - simply because no matter which character I play, all their actions contribute to the common goal I don't have to worry that I got some achievement on "wrong" character. I simply select character which fits my current mood, and play without regrets.

In ESO, I have one main character for PvE and questing, one main character for dungeons/trials, one main character for PvP... There needs to be at least one more change in ESO to bring me back to being active player and subscriber (official gold > crown convertion system based on total amount of gold and crowns in game in real time, like in GW2), but even now I'm really looking forward to having account-wide achievements Few of my characters will finally be able to use titles suitable for their personalities

This one is a khajiit of level 1 in a robe and no sword, but already kitted with Emperor title.

Talk about further dumbing down the gameplay.

When I create new little alt in GW2 (at least every week to farm keys), I instantly select the only Griffon-related title in game (even though it sounds really lame, Barnstormer), summon Griffon Mount mini (can only be received as rare drop from Griffon races, so it's the only mini I would ever use) and equip some beautiful Griffon mount skin. This character never unlocked all those items, but me as a player did

Same in ESO! My little alts haven't done anything, but I did. So they already wear fancy clothes/skins/mounts... Soon any titles will be added for their use too

Not going to lie, I would never expect account-wide achievements in ESO. This really caught me by surprise, in a good way. Thank you!
Now I think that some other things will be implemented too... someday. My personal wishlist is: gold > crown exchange; flying mounts; some ability to dye mounts/their effects

Everest_Lionheart

JMadFour wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

This new system ruins character development. How can we trust people know what they are doing now?

How many mouthbreathers got carried to their titles and don't know what they are doing anyway?

Titles do not = skill.

They never have.

I can’t tell you how many Voice of Reason title holders I have picked up off the floor in vAS+2. In fact I’ve been in runs with 6 or more of them and watched them die to kite and jump more times than I care to count.

Jaimeh

It's problematic for many reasons, and I say this as an alt-o-holic player, who has achievements spread over 15 toons, and have done some dlc content only on non-main characters. It will render character progression meaningless, not to mention it will encourage shenanigans for group trials, with people claiming they've tanked/healed/dps'ed something before, etc. A lot of players find that getting titles from arenas and titles on alts and on different roles, rewarding, and having that already there, somewhat dampens the joy. At the very least, the titles should remain character-bound, and there should be an indication if the achievement was done originally on that toon, and a way to still be able to track character progress on an alt.

p00tx

There are a lot of really interesting and valid concerns in here that I hadn't ever considered. What if titles were account wide, but the achievements weren't?

Casul

We will never know if that level 10 flawless conqueror really knows what he's doing!!!11!! /s

ZiggyTStardust

I like titles being account wide, they should be like skins and collectibles. I don't really care about titles being account wide, expect for progression on multi achievement stuff like challangers

Varana

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

- As others have said, it's just satisfying to have those little achievements à la "Kill 200 goblins in dungeon X" pop up on characters that don't have them.
- Dark Brotherhood/Thieves Guild achievements are a major concern. The main quest in Blackwood has DB-specific dialogue (and pretty bad one at that). When a character that is not a member of the DB inherits the title of the assassin character, will they be treated as evil bad guys as well? Even if consciously avoiding the DB or TG with that character?
- I don't really care about achievements or titles showing everywhere, but I would like to know. Did I do this dungeon healing, tanking, or DDing? Achievements are a pretty good record of what I did on that character.

Tracking both - do I have the achievement at all, and which character did the achievement (maybe showing character names in the info box) - seems a really good idea for me.
And achievements should still pop up if I earn them on a character that only inherited them.
And for some achievements, either enable opting out of sharing, or the team needs to take a really good look at the consequences, esp. in terms of story progression.

Only judging by what was shared during the stream, this has the potential to take a lot of character customisation (in the wider sense) out of the game, and that would be a shame.

haelgaan

wait, they made achievements and titles account wide? that's stupid, it takes away one of the motivations to tackle different challenges and events on alts.

SupremeRissole

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

Giving the title across all characters, with the addition of the sticker book, means there is little to no incentive to replay completed dungeons on alternate characters.

If you were to reduce the replayability of dungeons, may I suggest adding score/leaderboard mechanics to DLC dungeons? This will definateley increase replayability in my opinion and is something I believe is long overdue for the endgame community.
Before people say this will add a layer of toxicity to the group finder, I also suggest that these leaderboard mechanics do NOT apply if the group was formed in the GF tool, groups would have to travel to the dungeon, same as they currently do with trials.

For your consideration.

Casul

haelgaan wrote: »

wait, they made achievements and titles account wide? that's stupid, it takes away one of the motivations to tackle different challenges and events on alts.

Ironic because it makes me motivated to make new characters because I won't be wasting time in the grand goal.

Different perspectives.

Xarc

Account Wide achievement will ruin ESO economy.

ZOS should take care about that and how much economy is important in a mmo, and check what is happening to NewWorld.

With account wide achievement, why should you buy motifs many times ?
Why should you pvp anymore ?
Why should you do dungeons for something else than dailies ?

Many players will be bored soon, and many tradeguild will have to face a crisis.

Casul

Xarc wrote: »

Account Wide achievement will ruin ESO economy.

ZOS should take care about that and how much economy is important in a mmo, and check what is happening to NewWorld.

With account wide achievement, why should you buy motifs many times ?
Why should you pvp anymore ?
Why should you do dungeons for something else than dailies ?

Many players will be bored soon, and many tradeguild will have to face a crisis.

There are still plenty of motifs I have not acquired, I'm not alone.

People will pvp because it's fun, when it works.

Dungeons will still be done to help people get achievements and for the enjoyment.

gronoxvx

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

I think the best way to impliment this for the end game community is to exclude instanced achievements (TTT, godslayer, trifectas etc) from the account wide titles. If you see it from their POV if you can run those titles on any toon then how else can you prove that it was completed on a specific role? Perfect example is getting a achievement on a DPS doesnt mean that they can now jump in and tank or heal said content.

All the RP stuff, go for your life and make them account wide.

Karivaa

So if achievements are account wide, does that mean all of my characters will now be former emps and they all will have 5 stars?

What’s the point of playing for more stars when you’re basically taking away what we have worked for?

Xarc

I'm not against make account wide all the achievement about questing in tamriel, but every content which needs to be in group shouldnt be concerned & also pvp.

Karivaa

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you have any questions or concerns about account wide achievements, please let us know. We can circle back with the dev team for feedback and get back to you.

What will be the point of playing in Cyrodiil when all of my characters will now have 5 stars?!

Why push emp on different characters if they are now all former emps?!

spartaxoxo

A title is something earned by the player. Players don't suddenly lose knowledge of how to do something just because they are on a different character. And titles can be purchased from other players anyway.

The best test of competency has never and will never be something that people can just purchase. The best of test of competency remains seeing how someone performs.

I have seen other games make this change, players make this same complaint, and it basically never happen in other MMOs.

And that's because encounters are designed to be memorized and people don't suddenly get amnesia because they are on a different toon or even class. A dps that has actually earned that title and is now on their good tank will generally outperform a good tank that hasn't been there at all.

WaywardArgonian

I just hope PVP ranks remain character-bound seeing as they are tied to achievements too. After getting my first character to max rank, I enjoy ranking up my alts and I would like to keep that aspect of PVP.