We feared you'd leave addons unable to read guild history. Don't make it permanent please.

GarnetFire17

Gilvoth wrote: »

i dont agree with your saying "we"
myself and many others of the eso communtiy "hate" the addons and hate they are even allowed in eso.
in single player games addons are awesome and really fun and joy, but not in an MMO they are completely an open door for cheating and its been proven that with miats addon, and many others, that the ability to cheat does exist and is even still being used in eso.

heres some proof
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/360442/miat-addon

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/387011/miats-zeni-can-i-have-new-skills-please/p1

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397179/why-wont-miats-addon-die

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/308971/miats-pvp-alerts-addon/p1

the list is never ending ...

add-ons need to be disabled Permanently and removed from eso!

So basically it's a call to throw the baby out with the bath water over ONE addon. Ridiculous, but typical pvper going way over the top. Let me guess some used this addon and teabagged you? GET RID OF ALL ADDONS!

TheTraveler

VaranisArano wrote: »

Doing your own price check isnt hard, just time consuming.

You go around to a couple traders, usually the capital cities or the ones near your trader, and figure out what the geberal proce for your item is. Its a lot easier now that we have an item search.

That being said, its a LOT harder to "fine tune" your sales. You pretty much have to go with a general price that more or less matches what you see in your guild and others nearby.

That's pretty much how traders operate on console.

Well, i haven't the time to do that every day, and why should i be traveling all over Tamriel when i could be using my time a lot more meaningfully doing other things. Not only did the addons save time, they made the game and trading a lot more fun as well. They took away a lot of the drudgery and why is there even this perception that RPG's should be full of drudgery?

Yet the one thing that SHOULD be drudgery, being leveling up, can be alleviated by buying EXP scrolls. It is far, far, far easier for a new player joining the game now to participate in literally any event and to level their characters up than it was for players who joined in the beginning, so i can't believe the nonsense i'm hearing about older players supposedly making the game harder for new players... what utter rubbish. The older players have worked MUCH harder to get where they are and it's all being handed on a plate to new players.

TheTraveler

srfrogg23 wrote: »

If the devs didn't include it as a feature, then it wasn't intended.

ROFL XD erm... you haven't played a TES game in your life before, have you? LOLOLOL that's really really funny.... heeheee heee . Addons have always been the lifeblood of TES games. In fact most of Beths games get addons because they're so fugly vanilla and devs leave half of the work up to the community.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Kel wrote: »

Sorry, no sympathy here. Roll up your sleeves and get to work, folks.

Copying figures from a screen to a spreadsheet isn't "work". It's plain stupid copying.
Do you feel lazy, spoiled and entitled when you send or receive an email ? Do you feel you're unfairly skipping the "real work" that snail mail is ? Should we all go back to snail mail just because x% of the world population has no internet access ?

The true work isn't collecting the data, it's analyzing and making good use of it according to the goals you've set for your trading guild. People who automate the collection part aren't lazy. They're smart. Removing those addons doesn't equate to parents denying candies to children. It's like some stupid authoritarian person telling experienced gardeners to take care of rose bushes without gloves.

I'm sorry console guys don't have addons, but it's not our fault. Blame ZOS, speak to ZOS. Managing a trading guild without those tools is nothing to be proud of. It's just a plain waste of time.

martinhpb16_ESO

Kel wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

dvonpm wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

As a console player that's been in many successful trading guilds, I find this hilarious.

Have you managed those guilds though? Were you bean counting guild deposits or did you just benfit from other people's countless hours of painful, annoying, repetitive, unpaid labor?

🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

This "sky is falling" stuff is fantastic.

"Oh no..we actually have to put in effort now"

Smallest Violin
https://imgur.com/gallery/pVnehfi

Effort! Sorry this just makes me angry

You have no clue how much effort trade guild GMs already put in and you are not adding anything constructive. You are trolling people about something that you are not actually involved with.

I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely entertained by the thought of everyone crying about having to do something console trade guilds have had to do since day 1.

Add ons have made PC players lazy, spoiled, and entitled. This thread is proof. It's like your parents told you no more candy unless you earn it, and instead of putting in the work, y'all are throwing a temper tantrum.

As far as constructive, there is no constructive post in this thread, just moaning and crying about not wanting to put time in because its "tedious".

Welcome to running a guild.

Sorry, no sympathy here. Roll up your sleeves and get to work, folks.

Schadenfreude

Jhalin

Kel wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Sorry, no sympathy here. Roll up your sleeves and get to work, folks.

Copying figures from a screen to a spreadsheet isn't "work". It's plain stupid copying.
Do you feel lazy, spoiled and entitled when you send or receive an email ? Do you feel you're unfairly skipping the "real work" that snail mail is ? Should we all go back to snail mail just because x% of the world population has no internet access ?

The true work isn't collecting the data, it's analyzing and making good use of it according to the goals you've set for your trading guild. People who automate the collection part aren't lazy. They're smart.

I'm sorry console guys don't have addons, but it's not our fault. Blame ZOS, speak to ZOS. Managing a trading guild without those tools is nothing to be proud of. It's just a plain waste of time.

Well, looks like you don't have a choice now, so...you can quit like so many are saying (making this a quit thread?), or you can get to making those copies.

You have no choice.

Crying isn't getting those numbers, now is it?

People are quitting

This was an unneeded, unannounced, and highly disruptive negative change to trade guild which have functioned with these QoL tools since guild traders began. The entire trading community developed with addons.

To just tell every to suck it up when they’re handed a abacus instead of a calculator when they’re expected to do detailed record keeping and data analysis, is f***king ignorant

BrianLovesLisa

Jhalin wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Sorry, no sympathy here. Roll up your sleeves and get to work, folks.

Copying figures from a screen to a spreadsheet isn't "work". It's plain stupid copying.
Do you feel lazy, spoiled and entitled when you send or receive an email ? Do you feel you're unfairly skipping the "real work" that snail mail is ? Should we all go back to snail mail just because x% of the world population has no internet access ?

The true work isn't collecting the data, it's analyzing and making good use of it according to the goals you've set for your trading guild. People who automate the collection part aren't lazy. They're smart.

I'm sorry console guys don't have addons, but it's not our fault. Blame ZOS, speak to ZOS. Managing a trading guild without those tools is nothing to be proud of. It's just a plain waste of time.

Well, looks like you don't have a choice now, so...you can quit like so many are saying (making this a quit thread?), or you can get to making those copies.

You have no choice.

Crying isn't getting those numbers, now is it?

People are quitting

This was an unneeded, unannounced, and highly disruptive negative change to trade guild which have functioned with these QoL tools since guild traders began. The entire trading community developed with addons.

To just tell every to suck it up when they’re handed a abacus instead of a calculator when they’re expected to do detailed record keeping and data analysis, is f***king ignorant

If people are quitting because they can't use addons, then they are looking for a reason to quit.

anitajoneb17_ESO

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

If people are quitting because they can't use addons, then they are looking for a reason to quit.

Not necessarily. That may reflect YOUR vision of addons, surely not everyone's.
I for one wouldn't even have started playing ESO without addons.

srfrogg23

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

]

Hm... call me a "purist", but if you need an addon just to use the game mechanics, then it's a bad mechanic.

If the devs didn't include it as a feature, then it wasn't intended.

I think the experience will be much better without all of these 3rd party addons manipulating the market. Now people will use the system the way it was intended. They'll have to.

Now, if a single guild wants to dominate a specific trader for months at a time, they will actually have to run their trading guild like a real business, which is going to be so, so fun...

Honestly, I hope Zos leaves it this way. Then they'll finally get some real feedback on this crap system instead of constantly being defended by people who only enjoy it because they supplement their experience with 3rd party software. Heck, the console crowd seems to be doing just fine.

Go forth and trade! Anarchy is here

Sorry this doesn't stack up. It was always intended that addons would fill the voids in UI functionality, partially because of the console .

Statements like this do not negate the fact that addons do exist and provide much needed functionality that players have come to depend on.

Also you have not grasped that guild history has been disabled, a feature that is integral to the core game. Addons do not manipulate the game or the market they interrogate information that is available and deliver it to players in a usable way.

It is already a pretty one-sided and toxic relationship that Zos has with its trade guild GMs. We undertake huge amounts of admin, stress and yes fun as well running the trade system for Zos, without much support or direct communication. For example Zos has failed to grasp, the direct impact of crown selling (basically legal gold buying) on the trading system and how an excess of gold from those willing to spend real money has had on the bidding system.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_SarahHecker how about a dedicated, named developer responsible for the trade system, a forum thread and a constructive dialogue between trade GMs and Zos initiated please?

It does add up. Addons can be good for cosmetic customization. If you want to rearrange the UI, change its appearance then, yeah, that's why they have addon functionality.

I don't think the devs intended for people to use the addons to circumvent gameplay. Make no mistake, manually researching and tracking market prices amongst a large number of competing vendors is the intended "gameplay". It's a medieval market simulator, not a modern corporate tycoon simulator.

I know for sure that they NEVER intended for addons to be used to give players such a significant advantage over the players who aren't using addons.

srfrogg23

TheTraveler wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

If the devs didn't include it as a feature, then it wasn't intended.

ROFL XD erm... you haven't played a TES game in your life before, have you? LOLOLOL that's really really funny.... heeheee heee . Addons have always been the lifeblood of TES games. In fact most of Beths games get addons because they're so fugly vanilla and devs leave half of the work up to the community.

And, that is purely your opinion. Not in any way, shape, or form a fact.

For the sake of argument, though, the other TES games are single player games. What you do when playing Skyrim has zero impact on me.

ESO was created by Zos, not Bethesda. Bethesda's view of addons has nothing to do with ESO.

Bethesda has never told me that I need to download addons to play their games. That means their games are standalone products. Addons are neither required nor intended by the base design.

No, having a functionality in the program that allows for addons is not the same as designing for the use of specific addons. Same goes for ESO.

TQSkull

srfrogg23 wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

]

Hm... call me a "purist", but if you need an addon just to use the game mechanics, then it's a bad mechanic.

If the devs didn't include it as a feature, then it wasn't intended.

I think the experience will be much better without all of these 3rd party addons manipulating the market. Now people will use the system the way it was intended. They'll have to.

Now, if a single guild wants to dominate a specific trader for months at a time, they will actually have to run their trading guild like a real business, which is going to be so, so fun...

Honestly, I hope Zos leaves it this way. Then they'll finally get some real feedback on this crap system instead of constantly being defended by people who only enjoy it because they supplement their experience with 3rd party software. Heck, the console crowd seems to be doing just fine.

Go forth and trade! Anarchy is here

Sorry this doesn't stack up. It was always intended that addons would fill the voids in UI functionality, partially because of the console .

Statements like this do not negate the fact that addons do exist and provide much needed functionality that players have come to depend on.

Also you have not grasped that guild history has been disabled, a feature that is integral to the core game. Addons do not manipulate the game or the market they interrogate information that is available and deliver it to players in a usable way.

It is already a pretty one-sided and toxic relationship that Zos has with its trade guild GMs. We undertake huge amounts of admin, stress and yes fun as well running the trade system for Zos, without much support or direct communication. For example Zos has failed to grasp, the direct impact of crown selling (basically legal gold buying) on the trading system and how an excess of gold from those willing to spend real money has had on the bidding system.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_SarahHecker how about a dedicated, named developer responsible for the trade system, a forum thread and a constructive dialogue between trade GMs and Zos initiated please?

It does add up. Addons can be good for cosmetic customization. If you want to rearrange the UI, change its appearance then, yeah, that's why they have addon functionality.

I don't think the devs intended for people to use the addons to circumvent gameplay. Make no mistake, manually researching and tracking market prices amongst a large number of competing vendors is the intended "gameplay". It's a medieval market simulator, not a modern corporate tycoon simulator.

I know for sure that they NEVER intended for addons to be used to give players such a significant advantage over the players who aren't using addons.

how can you know that for sure? zos is in control about which api functions can be used and most likely they know what you are able to do with it. additionally they disabled those functions if players archived something they didn't thought about. so i would say it was pretty much intended.

Nicky33

WHAT do console trade guilds do from day one? Calculating hundreds of millions gold worth deals one-by-one? Nope. They just collect donations. And run raffles. And do not have any idea how much each member had sold.
While on PC it is common for members to even get taxback for high sales. Being a top trade guild member only thanks to sales and paying zero fees is a 100% PC feature. Was.
Absence of addons on console doesn't make this game better or more hardcore. It makes it ***. And you eat it and proud of it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Bethesda has never told me that I need to download addons to play their games.

You haven't been listening. Take, for instance, duelling. There's nothing in the game for recording duelling data or organizing duelling tournaments. But Mike Finnigan (aka @ZOS_Finn ) expressedly said "we didn't include that kind of feature because we know you can do this your self via addons, according to your taste and needs".

You don't NEED addons for playing the game, but you CAN use them to enhance your gaming experience according to your taste. And that's pure TES tradition. And that is intended, by design. There's even a dev at ZOS, @ZOS_ChipHilseberg , specifically dedicated to the API and the support of addon authors.

martinhpb16_ESO

People are still missing the point.

Zos have disabled guild history not the addons.

it just means that the addons that read guild history are inoperative.

Even if the addons disappear GMs and traders will still read guild history. it will just take 50 times longer.

Hey you - dont use a calculator use real maths! Stop emailing, in fact stop typing, get a pencil and paper and hand deliver that message! Stop using a gaming keyboard - use a real keyboard!

Addons are just an automated way to read the data that is needed and deliver it to the user in a user-friendly way according to the needs of the task. Addons do not circumnavigate or manipulate the game.

Seriously if you were a trading guild GM you would know the pain we already have.

just because some people get by with no phone signal where they live doesnt mean that the rest of us should throw phones out of the window.

People please stop sidetracking the important conversation that needs to be had with ZOS about the significance of this decision for a huge number of players.

Numerikuu

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I for one wouldn't even have started playing ESO without addons.

This. The first time I stepped into the game I was appalled by the awful and lacking UI in this game. If it wasn't for the addon community I'd have walked away 5mins into the game...

What MMO doesn't have a MINIMAP? I don't even.

wavingblue

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Sorry, no sympathy here. Roll up your sleeves and get to work, folks.

Copying figures from a screen to a spreadsheet isn't "work". It's plain stupid copying.
Do you feel lazy, spoiled and entitled when you send or receive an email ? Do you feel you're unfairly skipping the "real work" that snail mail is ? Should we all go back to snail mail just because x% of the world population has no internet access ?

The true work isn't collecting the data, it's analyzing and making good use of it according to the goals you've set for your trading guild. People who automate the collection part aren't lazy. They're smart.

I'm sorry console guys don't have addons, but it's not our fault. Blame ZOS, speak to ZOS. Managing a trading guild without those tools is nothing to be proud of. It's just a plain waste of time.

Well, looks like you don't have a choice now, so...you can quit like so many are saying (making this a quit thread?), or you can get to making those copies.

You have no choice.

Crying isn't getting those numbers, now is it?

People are quitting

This was an unneeded, unannounced, and highly disruptive negative change to trade guild which have functioned with these QoL tools since guild traders began. The entire trading community developed with addons.

To just tell every to suck it up when they’re handed a abacus instead of a calculator when they’re expected to do detailed record keeping and data analysis, is f***king ignorant

If people are quitting because they can't use addons, then they are looking for a reason to quit.

Or...or...or...... this is the final straw. ZOS has a bad track record of not actually fixing things instead they limit access or cut off access entirely.

reoskit

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Now, if a single guild wants to dominate a specific trader for months at a time, they will actually have to run their trading guild like a real business, which is going to be so, so fun...

Let me ask you one thing: how do you think guilds hold their kiosks?

If there's no effort by the officer teams to run the guild, that means all guilds should be on the same playing field and no one should be able to hold a kiosk... right?

The truth of the matter is that we *do* run our guilds like businesses. We always have.

So, thanks for the sanctimonious "now you have to run a business" but that's precisely what we're begging to be allowed to go back to doing. We put in more effort than you know to make these guilds successful. It's remarkably easy for people who do not do our job to sweep all our effort under the rug. Ignorance is so conveniently low-energy.

By the way, do you know what all businesses have? They have access to their financial data. We currently do not. Instead of basking in schadenfreude, you could take the time to understand that no one can run their guild like a business right now. That is the very heart of what GMs are saying is broken.

wavingblue

I'm just wondering what the console players get out of trolling a PC thread that is about a PC issue relating to the PC game with absolutely no dog in the hunt.

StabbityDoom

Kel wrote: »

dvonpm wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

As a console player that's been in many successful trading guilds, I find this hilarious.

Have you managed those guilds though? Were you bean counting guild deposits or did you just benfit from other people's countless hours of painful, annoying, repetitive, unpaid labor?

🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

This "sky is falling" stuff is fantastic.

"Oh no..we actually have to put in effort now"

Smallest Violin
https://imgur.com/gallery/pVnehfi

Anyone who comes to the forums just to mock other people who are upset really should do some self-evaluation.

thermatico

RANKK7 wrote: »

The situation is absolutely AWFUL! I'm in 4 trading guilds which sell items at very different prices because location or members who buy directly and it's absolutely necessary to have sales history!

Not to mention we don't even know anymore WHAT sold in WHICH guild because the mails (nice job @ZOS btw) do not even say in which guild that item sold!

Not even the price stays in the mail!

This studio instead of doing steps forward is going backwards.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_SarahHecker trading is big part of this game for many players and what's happening now is just absurd.

The sales history addons provide should be INCLUDED IN GAME btw, it's grotesque we have to get this kind of QUALITY OF LIFE from addons alone!

And to add injury to insult (this is the right order this time around) we get screwed completely by you turning off history sales of with no ETA.

"To update you on this issue, we're working on the in-game guild history and the guild history data utilized by addons. The current plan is to re-enable the in-game portion, but leave the addon functionality that use the guild history turned off for now.

I really would like to know that "FOR NOW" how much time will take and if ever they will be "turned on" again, really worried about that.

Well said.

StabbityDoom

reoskit wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Now, if a single guild wants to dominate a specific trader for months at a time, they will actually have to run their trading guild like a real business, which is going to be so, so fun...

Let me ask you one thing: how do you think guilds hold their kiosks?

If there's no effort by the officer teams to run the guild, that means all guilds should be on the same playing field and no one should be able to hold a kiosk... right?

The truth of the matter is that we *do* run our guilds like businesses. We always have.

So, thanks for the sanctimonious "now you have to run a business" but that's precisely what we're begging to be allowed to go back to doing. We put in more effort than you know to make these guilds successful. It's remarkably easy for people who do not do our job to sweep all our effort under the rug. Ignorance is so conveniently low-energy.

By the way, do you know what all businesses have? They have access to their financial data. We currently do not. Instead of basking in schadenfreude, you could take the time to understand that no one can run their guild like a business right now. That is the very heart of what GMs are saying is broken.

Just to fathom that anyone would suggest Reo and other gms like her don't run things like a business is a slap in the face to just how hard they work and how much they dedicate their lives to their guilds. If those of you mocking need to do this to feel good about yourself, and to justify your ugly attitude with "just work harder" as if that's the proper answer to everything... You have issues.

DragonRacer

wavingblue wrote: »

I'm just wondering what the console players get out of trolling a PC thread that is about a PC issue relating to the PC game with absolutely no dog in the hunt.

Yeah, I can't really say I understand the point of it either.

I'm the GM of a dues-free/100% donation-based trading guild on PS4. A rather large one that's usually pretty good at maintaining a trader in a great (but non-capital) level of cities. And just that alone is already enough work in-game to handle as far as seeking donations, running a weekly auction, running raffles, organizing fun events, etc. That's not even factoring in that I don't have to keep track of dues (since we don't charge them) and I have no feasible way to track what users sell and, so, don''t have the added option (but also added work, even WITH add-ons) of tracking what members bring in via house cut of sales.

So, I really can't imagine the nightmare y'all are going through with simply not having access to guild history, let alone your add-ons.

What I find interesting to note is that of the console folks speaking in here, it appears those who sympathize are actually GMs or officers of large console trading guilds and those who are slinging poo around appear to, at most, just be members of a console trading guild. Which are worlds apart in understanding how things work.

StabbityDoom

DragonRacer wrote: »

wavingblue wrote: »

I'm just wondering what the console players get out of trolling a PC thread that is about a PC issue relating to the PC game with absolutely no dog in the hunt.

Yeah, I can't really say I understand the point of it either.

I'm the GM of a dues-free/100% donation-based trading guild on PS4. A rather large one that's usually pretty good at maintaining a trader in a great (but non-capital) level of cities. And just that alone is already enough work in-game to handle as far as seeking donations, running a weekly auction, running raffles, organizing fun events, etc. That's not even factoring in that I don't have to keep track of dues (since we don't charge them) and I have no feasible way to track what users sell and, so, don''t have the added option (but also added work, even WITH add-ons) of tracking what members bring in via house cut of sales.

So, I really can't imagine the nightmare y'all are going through with simply not having access to guild history, let alone your add-ons.

What I find interesting to note is that of the console folks speaking in here, it appears those who sympathize are actually GMs or officers of large console trading guilds and those who are slinging poo around appear to, at most, just be members of a console trading guild. Which are worlds apart in understanding how things work.

Wow, the second awesome consoler gm. Thank you and @therift

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Tandor wrote: »

I suggested in one of the auction house discussions a while back that it would be interesting to suspend trading addons for a while and see what effect that had on those predominantly PC players who defend the present trading system. Interestingly, we may be about to find out...

TTC effectively has implemented Auction House in ESO. Against repeatedly ZOS saying no Auction House in ESO.
And TTC has become the cancer killing the good spots in major towns, because anyone can pop and pick good prices in the middle of Coldharbor, having a lucrative merchant there.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

FYI Any form of recording like Miat's or TTC that including people accounts logging, should comply with GDPR.
Otherwise is outright illegal in the EU, because someone can sue ZOS for allowing through their API, a modder store someone's account for XYZ purpose without explicit consent by the affected user.

In case of eg Miat, the KOS list, is exactly that against GDRP.

StabbityDoom

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

FYI Any form of recording like Miat's or TTC that including people accounts logging, should comply with GDPR.
Otherwise is outright illegal in the EU, because someone can sue ZOS for allowing through their API, a modder store someone's account for XYZ purpose without explicit consent by the affected user.

In case of eg Miat, the KOS list, is exactly that against GDRP.

You agree to run the ttc program when you install that portion of it.

reoskit

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

TTC effectively has implemented Auction House in ESO. Against repeatedly ZOS saying no Auction House in ESO.
And TTC has become the cancer killing the good spots in major towns, because anyone can pop and pick good prices in the middle of Coldharbor, having a lucrative merchant there.

I'm confused, but maybe I'm exhausted.

How is TTC a cancer? It shows listings for all traders. It's incredibly helpful for more casual traders/guilds who don't want to be in the large cities, thus making trading more accessible for more players; that's a good thing.

I can assure you, the sales in trading hubs are quite unaffected. First, because we benefit from TTC just as much as the other traders. Second, because lots of people bypass TTC and simply shop in the hubs; we still have plenty of foot traffic.

TTC is fantastic if you're looking for a specific thing. If you're just cruising kiosks for deals or because you need to stock up on mats for writs, you're not going to use TTC. Both happen, both work.

wavingblue

Is Miat a trading add-on?

reoskit

wavingblue wrote: »

Is Miat a trading add-on?

No, and I'm mystified why people keep bringing it up in these discussions.

The only addons impacted are those that access the guild history. For what it's worth, TTC does not touch the guild history (afiak), it reads the vendor listings.

So all these comments about GDPR have no bearing in this discussion. By all means, bring them up, but do so elsw... in another thread.

wavingblue

reoskit wrote: »

wavingblue wrote: »

Is Miat a trading add-on?

No, and I'm mystified why people keep bringing it up in these discussions.

Console trolls who got freezers full of nothing burgers but still want to troll.