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PTS Patch Notes v3.3.2

  • ak_pvp
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    I can't believe that mag Dks think it's fine to have an undodgeable super strong dot, undodgeable stunn, undodgeable powerlash, undodgeable ultimate, undodgeable gapcloser and undodgeable proc set.

    PvE is different tho, I agree on the concerns from mag Dks there. The PvP complaints are hilarious tho.

    Last i checked, all dots are undodgable because they are on the actual person, last i checked, nearly all the classes have access to an undodgable stun, last i checked every aoe ultimate in the game is undodgable however leap has the problem of someone moving out of the range while the DK is mid flight which leads to no damage registering which isn't something that all the other aoe ultimates have, last i checked a class doesn't have it's own proc set, i believe you are referring to skoria which can be used by ANYONE.

    All dots are undodgeable? The only other undodgeable dot that comes to my mind is the Warden dot (and Soul Trap which is garbage).
    the_Beard wrote: »
    I can't believe that mag Dks think it's fine to have an undodgeable super strong dot, undodgeable stunn, undodgeable powerlash, undodgeable ultimate, undodgeable gapcloser and undodgeable proc set.

    PvE is different tho, I agree on the concerns from mag Dks there. The PvP complaints are hilarious tho.

    Last I checked, people rarely die from a magDK's dots. What game are you playing???

    They do, they just don't see it in the recap. People who think that pressure is worth nothing in PvP live in the past.
    the_Beard wrote: »
    For the people saying that magDK excel at 1v1 duels, and deserve the cooldown to whip and it being dodgeable, you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that should be the basis for balance in this game. The dueling community makes up what percentage of this game? Go watch the legend tournaments. There's not all that many people in there compared to weekly leaderboards for pve trials. Pull your head out of the sand and realize that there are other parts of the game than just 1v1 fights.

    Edit: nothing against the dueling community, but some of these comments are absurd.

    If duels don't matter, what the *** are you complaining about then? That the kind of builds which are free ap for a mag Dk will survive 10 seconds longer now that Powerlash can be dodged? You also ignore the fact that mag Dk is also very strong in Battlegrounds and in smallscale groups it's not bad either. You can't have everything, no class is top tier in everything.

    so much of this.

    MagDK is the most ridicilous thing to face as a medium armor build.

    Even magicka wardens I can deal with, but not the bloody magDks with their 10k undodgeable power lash that also heal them to full.

    now pve mDks need help, no lies about that. but pvp mDk... that is a different case.

    Even magicka wardens I can deal with, but not the bloody magDks with their 10k undodgeable power lash that also heal them to full.

    Even magicka wardens I can deal with, but not the bloody magDks with their 10k undodgeable power lash that also heal them to full.

    Even magicka wardens I can deal with, but not the bloody magDks with their 10k undodgeable power lash that also heal them to full.

    Hmm...
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  • Apache_Kid
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    My Stamblade rotation just got so much easier :#

    Literally crying at the soul assault nerf. Ty so much. I would've settled for increase cost but this is beyond my wildest dreamsss yasssss
  • Rave the Histborn
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    I can't believe that mag Dks think it's fine to have an undodgeable super strong dot, undodgeable stunn, undodgeable powerlash, undodgeable ultimate, undodgeable gapcloser and undodgeable proc set.

    PvE is different tho, I agree on the concerns from mag Dks there. The PvP complaints are hilarious tho.

    Last i checked, all dots are undodgable because they are on the actual person, last i checked, nearly all the classes have access to an undodgable stun, last i checked every aoe ultimate in the game is undodgable however leap has the problem of someone moving out of the range while the DK is mid flight which leads to no damage registering which isn't something that all the other aoe ultimates have, last i checked a class doesn't have it's own proc set, i believe you are referring to skoria which can be used by ANYONE.

    All dots are undodgeable? The only other undodgeable dot that comes to my mind is the Warden dot (and Soul Trap which is garbage).
    the_Beard wrote: »
    I can't believe that mag Dks think it's fine to have an undodgeable super strong dot, undodgeable stunn, undodgeable powerlash, undodgeable ultimate, undodgeable gapcloser and undodgeable proc set.

    PvE is different tho, I agree on the concerns from mag Dks there. The PvP complaints are hilarious tho.

    Last I checked, people rarely die from a magDK's dots. What game are you playing???

    They do, they just don't see it in the recap. People who think that pressure is worth nothing in PvP live in the past.
    the_Beard wrote: »
    For the people saying that magDK excel at 1v1 duels, and deserve the cooldown to whip and it being dodgeable, you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that should be the basis for balance in this game. The dueling community makes up what percentage of this game? Go watch the legend tournaments. There's not all that many people in there compared to weekly leaderboards for pve trials. Pull your head out of the sand and realize that there are other parts of the game than just 1v1 fights.

    Edit: nothing against the dueling community, but some of these comments are absurd.

    If duels don't matter, what the *** are you complaining about then? That the kind of builds which are free ap for a mag Dk will survive 10 seconds longer now that Powerlash can be dodged? You also ignore the fact that mag Dk is also very strong in Battlegrounds and in smallscale groups it's not bad either. You can't have everything, no class is top tier in everything.

    so much of this.

    MagDK is the most ridicilous thing to face as a medium armor build.

    Even magicka wardens I can deal with, but not the bloody magDks with their 10k undodgeable power lash that also heal them to full.

    now pve mDks need help, no lies about that. but pvp mDk... that is a different case.

    As someone that main'd a med Argonian stam DK in pvp all I can say is you might wanna try Cooking Mama, that sounds like your speed if they were that much trouble.
  • Faint_One
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    RIP Magicka DKs in PvE for now. Honestly, at some point i gotta wonder whether you guys dont play your game. Magicka DK damage is tied to off-balance and how do you expect them to sustain? how do you want them to be included in any group?

    16% off-balance at maximum. Power lash cooldown is ridiculous as well for PvE.

    I can already predict that off-balance will be erased from raids. Guaranteed.

    They might meant you should use molten whip for PVE,Zero cost and bonus dmg even healing is more op.If they can buff molten A little and solve sustain issue :/
  • MassTerror23
    BohnT wrote: »
    Even more NB Buffs? No love for DK and Zaan is still completely overperfoming in pvp.

    It's not much of a buff to NB's
  • MassTerror23
    beetleklee wrote: »
    RIP MagDK in PVE. I already started playing more StamDK and this just kills MagDK for me. Why bother when StamDK does more DPS, has infinite sustain and a braindead easy rotation compared to MagDK?

    Me as well as others have been posting for months not to have MagDK's sustain so tied to off balance and this is what we get ):

    This plus lower off-balance uptime...RIP.

    MagDK's aren't the only class that can produce off balance and tbh magDK's have been dead in raid set ups for awhile.
  • usmcjdking
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    Why is power lash being nerfed when power lash wasn't what got buffed to begin with?

    Offbalance needed to be nerfed ON PLAYERS. C'mon ZOS.
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  • rustic_potato
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    usmcjdking wrote: »
    Why is power lash being nerfed when power lash wasn't what got buffed to begin with?

    Offbalance needed to be nerfed ON PLAYERS. C'mon ZOS.

    ZOS logic.
    I play how I want to.


  • Ragnarock41
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    I can't believe that mag Dks think it's fine to have an undodgeable super strong dot, undodgeable stunn, undodgeable powerlash, undodgeable ultimate, undodgeable gapcloser and undodgeable proc set.

    PvE is different tho, I agree on the concerns from mag Dks there. The PvP complaints are hilarious tho.

    Last i checked, all dots are undodgable because they are on the actual person, last i checked, nearly all the classes have access to an undodgable stun, last i checked every aoe ultimate in the game is undodgable however leap has the problem of someone moving out of the range while the DK is mid flight which leads to no damage registering which isn't something that all the other aoe ultimates have, last i checked a class doesn't have it's own proc set, i believe you are referring to skoria which can be used by ANYONE.

    All dots are undodgeable? The only other undodgeable dot that comes to my mind is the Warden dot (and Soul Trap which is garbage).
    the_Beard wrote: »
    I can't believe that mag Dks think it's fine to have an undodgeable super strong dot, undodgeable stunn, undodgeable powerlash, undodgeable ultimate, undodgeable gapcloser and undodgeable proc set.

    PvE is different tho, I agree on the concerns from mag Dks there. The PvP complaints are hilarious tho.

    Last I checked, people rarely die from a magDK's dots. What game are you playing???

    They do, they just don't see it in the recap. People who think that pressure is worth nothing in PvP live in the past.
    the_Beard wrote: »
    For the people saying that magDK excel at 1v1 duels, and deserve the cooldown to whip and it being dodgeable, you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that should be the basis for balance in this game. The dueling community makes up what percentage of this game? Go watch the legend tournaments. There's not all that many people in there compared to weekly leaderboards for pve trials. Pull your head out of the sand and realize that there are other parts of the game than just 1v1 fights.

    Edit: nothing against the dueling community, but some of these comments are absurd.

    If duels don't matter, what the *** are you complaining about then? That the kind of builds which are free ap for a mag Dk will survive 10 seconds longer now that Powerlash can be dodged? You also ignore the fact that mag Dk is also very strong in Battlegrounds and in smallscale groups it's not bad either. You can't have everything, no class is top tier in everything.

    so much of this.

    MagDK is the most ridicilous thing to face as a medium armor build.

    Even magicka wardens I can deal with, but not the bloody magDks with their 10k undodgeable power lash that also heal them to full.

    now pve mDks need help, no lies about that. but pvp mDk... that is a different case.

    As someone that main'd a med Argonian stam DK in pvp all I can say is you might wanna try Cooking Mama, that sounds like your speed if they were that much trouble.

    Im pretty sure my magDk will destroy your argonian sDk any day and any time. I can even bet my account on it.
    I can easily get ridicilous crits on my power lash, I do have proof to my claims. and what about you?

    Where is your super strong argonian medium armor stamDk that magically manages to beat top dog magDks?
    I'm pretty sure you would get a lot of respect coming up with a medium armor open world build and beating a magDk.

    So what stops you then?
    Why aren't you beating *** up in duel tournaments huh?

    could it be... could it be that you have no idea?
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on January 23, 2018 5:29AM
  • Danse_Mayhem
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    Soooo in long siege or combat, a Magblade can now tag 4 light attacks on someone... Go find an other player whilst still in combat and hit Heavy attack > Soul harvest > Assasins will, along with a proc from Calurions legacy...

    I've been playing a melee Magblade for a long time now and this is going to be a straight up buff to my build but maybe too OP like the old viper / Veli stamblades lol
  • GaunterODim
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    Wanted to revive my magDK for pve this patch, hoping the sustain might be bearable, but this looks really bad. Having that cooldown lets you have 1 or 2 whips when off balance procs every ~20 seconds? Dont know how long the duration for a single off balance proc is, but this is definetely devastating pve wise.

    And please do not forget that magwarden is still worse than other classes in pve dps.
  • The_1st_Elder
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    Soul Assault changes are the best thing that I could have asked for.

    It was just too OP. Not being able to bash it (stupid as change to make it not bashable), cc immune (that is just crazy), along with the 70% snare. This skill made magicka classes easy mode.

    Now with the snare gone will add some counter play to this most hated skill. Ideally I would have preferred it to be bashable and have the snare stay.

    Oh and finally THE MOST OVER USED XV1 SKILL
    Main EP - Caius Targaryen - Stam DK
    EP - Viselyx Targaryen - Mag NB
    DC - Tyron Targaryen - Stam Templar
    AD - Vaeron Targaryen - Stam Sorc
  • GC0
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    Make soul assault bashable, it'll still be hard to deal with everywhere else when there is nowhere to LoS it. RIP magdk. Nice a 7th legion nerf.
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  • Integral1900
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    Shyly raises a paw....

    I still like magic dragon knights, even on pts my heavy attacks alone clear twenty four thousand, they can hit thirty with a group buff, never liked whip, didn’t use it realy as I don’t like the animation and the sound is realy poor
  • Raudgrani
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    So. For reasons unknown, they don't want us to play Dragonknight - at all - except as a PVE tank, and nothing else. Why is this? Enlighten me... This is the final nail in the coffin for MagDK's. @ZOS_GinaBruno
  • Raudgrani
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    Well, magDK was fun while it lasted......wtf am I supposed to do with it now? Anyone got any suggestions?

    Turn it into a PVE tank, or delete for a free character slot...
  • victoriana-blue
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    • Grim Focus: The stacks you build toward the bow proc for this ability and its morphs will now remain if you recast the ability early, or if the ability expires. The partial stack will be removed if you exit combat.
      • Known Issue: The bow proc will sometimes not play its distinct audio cue.
      Developer Comment:
      This change makes the ability effectiveness more consistent among players of different skill levels. It still rewards more skilled play, but is less punishing when someone makes a mistake.
    [*]Draconic Power
    • Reflective Scale: Fixed an issue where recasting this ability and its morphs would not refresh the amount of projectile reflections allowed.
    These two changes in the same combat patch? I laughed. :D

    Speaking as an above-average-but-not-leader-board player, I'm happy with the Grim Focus change - it won't affect the already great people who have their rotations down and get three procs per cast, and we'll still have to use a GCD to recast the ability if we let it expire before proccing, but it's a bit more forgiving. Leaving combat makes sense as a cut-off point, but I was surprised there isn't a "recast within 10 seconds to retain stack" limiter; too many calculations involved?

    I can usually get to two Grim Focus procs in the base ability right now, but only get them off 2/3 of the time (usually because of bar swap lag or cutting the timing too close), so I'm looking forward to trying this out.
    [*]Siphoning
    • Malevolent Offering: Reduced the health cost of this ability and the Healthy Offering morph to 4925 from 6751.
    • Shrewd Offering (Malevolent Offering morph): Reduced the health cost of this morph to 4320 from 5940.
      • Known Issue: The tooltip still displays the old cost value.
    I'd love to see/hear the data that resulted in this change.
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  • usmcjdking
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    [*]Siphoning
    • Malevolent Offering: Reduced the health cost of this ability and the Healthy Offering morph to 4925 from 6751.
    • Shrewd Offering (Malevolent Offering morph): Reduced the health cost of this morph to 4320 from 5940.
      • Known Issue: The tooltip still displays the old cost value.
    I'd love to see/hear the data that resulted in this change.

    I can imagine most of the performance data was pulled from PVP. Since it dealt oblivion damage that is not reduced via battle spirit, there were instances (when defiled heavily) where you would heal for less than you would do to self damage, which is not good design in general.

    Costs reduced by 28% which is within an acceptable margin of base major defile.
    Edited by usmcjdking on January 23, 2018 7:48AM
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  • Hamburglarjones
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    Faint_One wrote: »
    Masel92 wrote: »
    RIP Magicka DKs in PvE for now. Honestly, at some point i gotta wonder whether you guys dont play your game. Magicka DK damage is tied to off-balance and how do you expect them to sustain? how do you want them to be included in any group?

    16% off-balance at maximum. Power lash cooldown is ridiculous as well for PvE.

    I can already predict that off-balance will be erased from raids. Guaranteed.

    They might meant you should use molten whip for PVE,Zero cost and bonus dmg even healing is more op.If they can buff molten A little and solve sustain issue :/

    Molten whip is literally 800 magicka per second used in the correct rotation. No amount of small tweaking that zos usually do for these skills will make it viable. MagDK PvE has been absolutely terrible since Morrowind along with magplar.
    Boone
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    MagDK raid build guide
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    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
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    Nightblade
    • Assassination
      • Grim Focus: The stacks you build toward the bow proc for this ability and its morphs will now remain if you recast the ability early, or if the ability expires. The partial stack will be removed if you exit combat.
        • Known Issue: The bow proc will sometimes not play its distinct audio cue.
        Developer Comment:
        This change makes the ability effectiveness more consistent among players of different skill levels. It still rewards more skilled play, but is less punishing when someone makes a mistake.


      nice!!!
  • f047ys3v3n
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    Didgerion wrote: »

    Nightblade
    • Assassination
      • Grim Focus: The stacks you build toward the bow proc for this ability and its morphs will now remain if you recast the ability early, or if the ability expires. The partial stack will be removed if you exit combat.
    No proc expiration when fully charged?

    Here you go - a new gang one shot build incoming - Blob's already working on it.

    And I guess sorcs will cry to preserve their frag proc too now.

    So Wrobel...... Let me guess, you tried to make the grim focus thing a little higher dps for NB's but not too much higher so you let it proc a few times but didn't let it proc for an extra attack. The combination of all the full heavies now needed (PVE) and the difficulty nb's in PVP already had getting a proc up, lead to less, not more, players using it (you were amply warned about this on PTS). Now you look silly because you were trying to make it better and you had more players drop using it than increase use (your beloved internal metrics which you actually listen to told you this).
    1) Still would have been better to have a proc also be a recast instead of the multi-proc per cast thing. This is what literally everybody suggested.
    2) I will see a little improvement in it for my PVE with this change and still won't slot it for PVP because it just takes too much time to charge and is therefore not worth the slot.
    Edited by f047ys3v3n on January 23, 2018 7:55AM
    Yes I am deeply embarrassed to still be playing this game. I know better.
  • altemriel
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    Zaan a bit nerfed, nice, it needed it, I wonder if it still be OP or not anymore now
  • f047ys3v3n
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    So for PvE doesn't off balance last 4 seconds and power lash cooldown is 3 seconds, so now dragonknights get to have 2 free casts every 15-20 seconds or you can choose if you want to heavy attack

    oh boi i'm gonna go grind one up right now, it's way too powerful.

    Amazing what such a terrible patch Morrowind turned out to be and ruined the game in many aspects that has taken up to almost a year now to correct, and one class is still unplayable in PvE so it's not even fixed yet. It's going to take over a damn year.

    Shut your mouth on that morrowind patch..... It totally brought down dps as intended, lead to a more even balance of classes and stam v. mag in trials, decreased dps divergence, multiplied the number of people doing endgame content, and was universally loved and admired by all casual players while they died to overland mobs while desperately pounding their biggest heal key without the resources to cast it.

    Well, morrowind did lower AOE caps in PVP and make fire ring a useful ranged AOE to hit ball zergs with. The rest was tosh though. I can't believe we are still wasting time trying to save this whole off balance boondoggle.
    Yes I am deeply embarrassed to still be playing this game. I know better.
  • Alcast
    Alcast
    Class Representative
    People just do not learn, do they. First test the things and then comment on the changes. Not the other way around (QQ first and then test).
    ZOS also repeatedly said that they will take a look at class balance NEXT patch, not this one.

    Edited by Alcast on January 23, 2018 8:12AM
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  • Masel
    Masel
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    Alcast wrote: »
    People just do not learn, do they. First test the things and then comment on the changes. Not the other way around (QQ first and then test).
    ZOS also repeatedly said that they will take a look at class balance NEXT patch, not this one.

    Thats what i usually say as well, but I've put a lot of testing into Magicka DK on the PTS because it is one of my favourite toons, and I've already tested what a low off-balance uptime means for them by just using a fire blockade and its unbearable. Power lash+off-balance was the only thing that made them viable damagewise and enabled them to sustain at all.

    First it sounded promising when they said that they want to make off-balance more useful for everyone, but this does exactly the opposite.
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  • Hamburglarjones
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    People just do not learn, do they. First test the things and then comment on the changes. Not the other way around (QQ first and then test).
    ZOS also repeatedly said that they will take a look at class balance NEXT patch, not this one.

    Thats what i usually say as well, but I've put a lot of testing into Magicka DK on the PTS because it is one of my favourite toons, and I've already tested what a low off-balance uptime means for them by just using a fire blockade and its unbearable. Power lash+off-balance was the only thing that made them viable damagewise and enabled them to sustain at all.

    First it sounded promising when they said that they want to make off-balance more useful for everyone, but this does exactly the opposite.

    The classic bait and switch, gotta love it :D
    Boone
    Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
    MagDK raid build guide
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    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
  • f047ys3v3n
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    It would be great if damage wasn't the only thing classes brought to the table, but that seems to be the way of things.

    Remember when NB's had meaningful off-heals with refreshing path and funnel health.
    Remember when the mitigation ultimates veil, nova, and corrosive were a thing.
    Remember when there were actually DPS's in trials that could run resto back bars because virtually all your DPS wasn't DOT's.
    Remember when all the mobs in trials wern't always CC immune and people could chain adds in for better AOE burns. Remember when deaths were a bigger deal than DPS because you had a limited number of them, your score was greatly effected by them, and most of the mechanics weren't being broken with DPS.
    Remember when the entire leaderboard for the trial of the week would fill because that many guilds were running it despite a subscription and lower game population.
    Remember when the differences between classes did not feel like they added up roughly to a few different names on DOT's.
    Remember when weapon abilities filled in for a few weaknesses in class abilities instead of class abilities adding a few nuances to a basically weapon dominated world.
    Remember a world with no cheat engine where when somebody owned you in PVP your first thought was "man, I got to figure out what he is doing" instead of "man, I know what he is running."
    Remember ultimates as a meaningful part of your PVE character build and timing them a meaningful part of trials not just a DPS skill you hit every once in a long while.

    Damn, you really set me thinking about some of the epic fights back in the day. There really used to be some fun endgame stuff despite how little endgame stuff we really had to play.



    Yes I am deeply embarrassed to still be playing this game. I know better.
  • feyii
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    I hope fixing the interrupt immunity for NPCs (i.e. remove it, it was supposed to only work on players) will still come in one of the next patches.
    Edited by feyii on January 23, 2018 8:36AM
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