Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

Feanor

So for PvP from mid day onwards (I'm CET and your mid day is my evening), what would be my best bet if I don't want to run in a big zerg? DC?

usmcjdking

Feanor wrote: »

So for PvP from mid day onwards (I'm CET and your mid day is my evening), what would be my best bet if I don't want to run in a big zerg? DC?

AD.

If you roll DC or EP no matter what you do a 30 player AD zerg will come to you. At least if you play AD, 30 of them won't materialize whenever you get a decent fight going.

Drakkdjinn

Bashu left?

For shame Sotha.

He will be missed.

Odysseus87

@Drakkdjinn,
Yeah, he left last campaign. As an EP, I miss him like hell. He poured his heart into organizing and rallying DC, only to get swept away by 60 PvDoor warriors every night. I honestly can’t blame him, he put a lot of time and effort in only to have it flushed down the drain. He will be sorely missed.

Edit: Apparently he's still around occasionally, I just haven't seen him during the day or prime time.

Heike

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Bashu left?

For shame Sotha.

He will be missed.

He still comes to Sotha. I think he must play normal hours on a different map, but he’ll show up at midnight cst, along with another DC group, and run the map until 2-3am.

He hasn’t completely disappeared, though.

1skaral

Tons of AD, you say? No other DC left to get in the way? Sounds like a blast! I'm excited to resume playing next week - work has kept me away from all the fun.

HazelRose

Is anyone else amused about how the scores are turning out at the end of this campaign? I might of burst out laughing when I glanced at them. Overwhelming a campaign all the way to last place is a rare talent.

usmcjdking

LaveniaRose wrote: »

Is anyone else amused about how the scores are turning out at the end of this campaign? I might of burst out laughing when I glanced at them. Overwhelming a campaign all the way to last place is a rare talent.

They zerg because they lose.

And they lose because they zerg.

This is absolutely poetic.

D0RID0RI240

Hmm...TFW a faction zergs down a map for 3 weeks, actively camps tri-keeps, and in general seems uninterested in doing anything else not only manages to not win the campaign, but also finds a way to not come in 2nd place also to the plucky forgotten faction is...well..I think there may be a song that comes to mind...

TheYKcid

Congratulations to DC & EP for their strong 1st and 2nd place finishings, despite being consistently and heavily outnumbered throughout the campaign!

Floobs

Not enough LOLs in the world for that screenshot. It's beautiful.

Adenoma

I'm AD, played a tiny amount of the campaign for them, and that scoreboard warms my heart. They deserve that.

gabriebe

That is hilarious.

usmcjdking

TheYKcid wrote: »

Congratulations to DC & EP for their strong 1st and 2nd place finishings, despite being consistently and heavily outnumbered throughout the campaign!

This is history. Praise @ZOS_BrianWheeler !

Jayelf

great campaign , good fights good ap. , ty ad for stickin it out. goodbye to sotha for now.

zevidiah

Aww man.. does this mean we are not going to have an ad crew this time around?

Feanor

Now if campaign wins really meant something...

Also low pop bonus really stands out as a bad design idea. There are so many things wrong with Cyrodiil.

Taylor_MB

zevidiah wrote: »

Aww man.. does this mean we are not going to have an ad crew this time around?

Probs not...

mursie

great campaign. not sure why all the bashing on AD. they mobilize the largest force during prime time hours and had easily the biggest presence with emp during that time.

Unfortunate that they get bested on affirmative action technicalities that grant crutches to under-populated factions who abuse late night cyrodiil ghost towns to pvdoor and flip the entire map back.

bottom line - AD won the campaign during the hours that matter most on an NA server. Primetime 5pm to Midnight monday through friday and weekends. That DC curb stomps empty keeps at 3 and 4 am and then acts like it is an accomplishment because of a technicality on low pop bonus exploitation is a bit disingenuous and frankly absurd.

but as others have already noted - it truly doesn't matter. just a cyclical hamster wheel that refreshes every 30 days and begins again. the campaign results mean nothing (maybe a few grand in gold).

The only thing that truly matters - the epic fights you can find in cyrodiil. Which unfortunately are becoming harder and harder to find.

TheYKcid

mursie wrote: »

The only thing that truly matters - the epic fights you can find in cyrodiil. Which unfortunately are becoming harder and harder to find.

I usually begin my Cyrodiil session at the tail-end of primetime, around 11:30pm to 12am EDT, and this has NOT been my experience.

Are people so quick to forget what the first 3 weeks of the campaign were like? Entirely yellow map, for—literally—days on end ring any bells? Aside from the occasional RR or DL raids (which rarely managed to take back home keeps, let alone a dethrone), the map remained in that state well into the "nightcap" hours, during which I also play (early evening where I live).

Then during the last week to week-and-a-half, when DC and EP enjoyed a more regular guild presence, and the scores began approaching a tighter, more competitive level (read: one faction not 7,000 points ahead anymore), the population on both factions began increasing noticeably, getting as high as 2 bars during primetime (and even when at 1-bar, still with healthy-sized groups able to take objectives).

I don't believe it's any coincidence that more people started logging-on once the the campaign began approaching a more balanced state. It's not even an issue of the score, which I agree has no value of it's own. It's the simple fact that having your 5-man x group crushed by a yellow zerg of 24 when merely reclaiming home keep resources is a pretty strong disincentive to trying to accomplish anything on the map.

If the cost of this singular victory is AD bailing from the campaign, then hell yeah, I'll take it. Because a 2-faction campaign is still a helluva lot more fun than a 1-faction one.

D0RID0RI240

Look out Auridon, IV raids coming for your mobs soon.

Kartalin

Watch out Fort Warden, AA raids going to ride 500 miles to fall down dead outside your doors.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Taylor_MB wrote: »

zevidiah wrote: »

Aww man.. does this mean we are not going to have an ad crew this time around?

Probs not...

midgetfromtheshire wrote: »

It's a perpetuating cycle. So when the next faction that comes along does the same thing back to AD, there will be complaints from them about "what's happening is ruining the campaign".

Can you give me powerball numbers for next week?

squidprojectb14_ESO

mursie wrote: »

great campaign. not sure why all the bashing on AD. they mobilize the largest force during prime time hours and had easily the biggest presence with emp during that time.

...

The only thing that truly matters - the epic fights you can find in cyrodiil. Which unfortunately are becoming harder and harder to find.

But the former is the cause of the latter, don't you see that? Hence the bashing

MinarasLaure

What happened to the AD in sotha?
Did they all run to shor?

DeadlyRecluse

MinarasLaure wrote: »

What happened to the AD in sotha?
Did they all run to shor?

Doubtful. AD in Shor has been a little more populated, but still consistently undermanned.

...but are you telling me there's room for a wee guild to come back to AD in Sotha? That would be welcome news.

mursie

TheYKcid wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

The only thing that truly matters - the epic fights you can find in cyrodiil. Which unfortunately are becoming harder and harder to find.

I usually begin my Cyrodiil session at the tail-end of primetime, around 11:30pm to 12am EDT, and this has NOT been my experience.

If the cost of this singular victory is AD bailing from the campaign, then hell yeah, I'll take it. Because a 2-faction campaign is still a helluva lot more fun than a 1-faction one.

guess we're in different cyrodiils. All i see now is blue pvedoor spam. Super boring. On a positive note - I have no lamentations about logging at midnight to 1am central anymore. The map is dead.

As I stated before and will continue to say, when AD was zerging there was always a fight to be had. I enjoyed that. AD everywhere to kill. Sure, you sometimes got zerged. But I can promise you this - it's significantly better to que cyrodiil and fight opponents in actual pvp on the map than sit back in a state of malaise as blue pvedoors the campaign and tells everyone in zone chat how great they are at beating back a 3 bar AD pop when that couldn't be any further from the truth.

The only thing blue was better at - staying up till the wee hours of the morning flipping an empty map when most sane people are sleeping and preparing for the next day. Great Job!

As for 5 man groups getting crushed by zerg. I've seen 5 man groups rick roll a zerg. That noble, pride, envy group - unreal. I've seen 20 man guild raids cower from zergs.. and i've watched first hand a 5 man laugh in the face of a zerg and crap on them for over 30 mins. Perspective i guess.

I would wager that the envy/pride group would take AD zerg over the pvedoor crap we got now 10 times out of 10.

TheYKcid

So essentially what @mursie is saying is:

AD should be commended for having greater numbers during a certain, arbitrary period of the day... but DC are shameful, slimy villains for having greater numbers at another arbitrary period of the day.

How consistent of him.

Let's get something straight. Contrary to what your tone would have people believe, DC does not intentionally log-on during off-peak hours with the premeditated intention of wiping an empty map. The Blues who are pushing (and winning, often against two remaining bars of Yellow) between 2-3am EDT are the SAME ones who were getting zerged by a pop-locked AD faction at 11am.

But I guess perseverance is also considered cheating, in your book.

You know, if this issue really bothers you that much, @mursie, why not put your money where your mouth is and roll an AD character? Because the last time I checked, you were right there at the Ash/Nikel milegate on your Blue toon at 2am EDT today (gasp! nightcapper!), stealthed and looking for poor, victimised Yellows to gank.

I, for one, would be glad to give you those epic fights you crave.

mursie

TheYKcid wrote: »

So essentially what @mursie is saying is:

AD should be commended for having greater numbers during a certain, arbitrary period of the day... but DC are shameful, slimy villains for having greater numbers at another arbitrary period of the day.

How consistent of him.

Let's get something straight. Contrary to what your tone would have people believe, DC does not intentionally log-on during off-peak hours with the premeditated intention of wiping an empty map. The Blues who are pushing (and winning, often against two remaining bars of Yellow) between 2-3am EDT are the SAME ones who were getting zerged by a pop-locked AD faction at 11am.

But I guess perseverance is also considered cheating, in your book.

You know, if this issue really bothers you that much, @mursie, why not put your money where your mouth is and roll an AD character? Because the last time I checked, you were right there at the Ash/Nikel milegate on your Blue toon at 2am EDT today (gasp! nightcapper!), stealthed and looking for poor, victimised Yellows to gank.

I, for one, would be glad to give you those epic fights you crave.

well you're incorrect since i logged at midnight. the rest of your post is filled with equally incorrect garbage.

the rhetoric in zone chat is what creates the issue here. DC as of late is championing their success to "beating back the 3bar AD zerg"

that is laughable. the particular group championing these comments are nowhere to be found when 3 bar pop AD is taking keeps. I know... i'm at those keep watching them fall with no defense. Those DC champions don't rally up and do anything until 3 am.

You see - i don't care when you work the zone. I don't care how you work the zone. I care about the disingenous rhetoric that would have others believe that a particular group of DC beat back Goliath by showing up with their raid group. It's laughable. I've seen small 5 mans beat back the zerg... and the DC group in question... ain't no skilled 5 man.

I see you're bothered though by my comments. I can only assume you're one of the sheep in that particular DC group. Sorry you're butthurt by comments.

mursie

As for rolling AD, (or EP for that matter), already on the docket. More than a few DC that I can't wait to bury an execute into.

Careful what you wish for, you might just get it.