NA PC CALL 2 ARMS: DC and AD, SHOR NEEDS YOU!

NightbladeMechanics

Riggsy wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

That map looks like Xerxes and Id imagine Kastav.

Guess who, homie. *** emp traders. Not on mah land.

technohic

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

I look at factions as a whole. before you say thats not a fair concept - you all know darn well players move from server to server like its no big deal.

I would say that is much less true for CP versus noCP than Shor versus Vivec.

technohic wrote: »

Had fun Friday night as DC getting a dethrone and crowning a DC emp. Guess just enjoy it when it goes your way. With the population split up as much as it is now with CP, No Cp, multiple campaigns, and battle grounds; it's probably just a matter of being in the right place at the right time

I admit it was fun watching the emp group get decimated by very outnumbered pugs.

Yeah. I wasn't PUGed myself. Was running with my guild which usually seems pretty casual on Friday nights. I showed up on a level 49 character I hadn't finished yet but just couldn't wait to get it out there (again). Ix did an amazing job moving us to the right places given that some were new and picked up skills on the fly.

Rickter

I had a group of 4 and we took Warden, Rayles, Aleswell, Bleakers, Bruma, Dragonclaw, Ash and Nikel.

Emperor did not seemed too concerned with us. ran into their 10+ group once at bleakers, then pockets of 4+ EP at Ales, Ash, and Nikel.

logged off pleased with the work we did.

Sometimes thats all it takes. the enemy will tear down our walls and we go in behind them and rebuild.

In all fairness though, it looked like some heavy AD/EP action at Alessia during these two hours so im sure that held EP's attention.

Kastav and Xarxes should have been closed down as soon as the event was over. Like the day of.

Dutchessx

Rickter wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Without naming and shaming the current EP emp that is urging everyone in zone chat to hold every resource on the map red, suffice it to say that EP is not being a reasonable partner in making this campaign fun. And with 2-3x the score points of the other factions, this isn't even about bumping the score for a campaign win. I would be ashamed to play EP on Shor right now.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is why I cant really condemn Chuck Norris or Dragonknight Daniel

CN is retribution.

Rickter I have heard this arguement for the past 3 years it has never held water for me.

Rickter wrote: »

I look at factions as a whole. before you say thats not a fair concept - you all know darn well players move from server to server like its no big deal.

I would say it is more rare for players to move between cp & no cp servers due to build changes but I guess it would depend on how you build and what you have to do to be competitive on both.

In my opinion (no implications toward anyone and trying to avoid any naming & shaming rules) this type of argument is usually about justification of ones actions or the need of one to seek retribution for actions inflicted by others than about "payback". If it was for payback reasons then the accused would need to move to Shor to inflict said retribution, otherwise it becomes justification for someone else's actions. It is also possible that by claiming that one might be attempting to draw attention to someone else's poor sportsmanship but in my opinion I wonder how well such a claim works to bring help to said campaign in need?

Rickter

I think its much easier to move between nocp and cp than various posters have maintained.

think about it: you set your cp for cp enabled campaigns and you leave it there.

so you are built for cp, then when you go to no cp youre good there too. I make zero gear changes between cp and nocp. I sought this type of built out because i BG as well.


In any case. If the EP of Shor, went to Sotha Sil, this "CN problem" wouldnt be a problem. plain and simple. then Shor wouldnt have an "EP problem".

The final option is for ZOS to close down all servers except two 30 day CP enabled campaigns. then we'd essentially have 2 Vivecs. that would be chaos. but it would solve a lot of other problems.

technohic

Rickter wrote: »

I think its much easier to move between nocp and cp than various posters have maintained.

think about it: you set your cp for cp enabled campaigns and you leave it there.

so you are built for cp, then when you go to no cp youre good there too. I make zero gear changes between cp and nocp. I sought this type of built out because i BG as well.


In any case. If the EP of Shor, went to Sotha Sil, this "CN problem" wouldnt be a problem. plain and simple. then Shor wouldnt have an "EP problem".

The final option is for ZOS to close down all servers except two 30 day CP enabled campaigns. then we'd essentially have 2 Vivecs. that would be chaos. but it would solve a lot of other problems.

I had no problem coming from non CP where I normally play and had built for, to Shor and just really quickly setting CP. Think it will be harder going back and missing some small added comfort from CP.

Reminds me of my first flat screen TV. The biggest difference I noticed was when going from the new TV in the living room, to the bedroom that was still a tube.

NBrookus

Rickter wrote: »

Emperor did not seemed too concerned with us. ran into their 10+ group once at bleakers, then pockets of 4+ EP at Ales, Ash, and Nikel.

In all fairness though, it looked like some heavy AD/EP action at Alessia during these two hours so im sure that held EP's attention.

Yeah, EP was hammering AD all night, starting with EP ganking at the home gates and the emp group squatting BB/BM resources. It did help relieve some pressure when DC started taking their stuff back.

When I logged off, DC didn't own Ales but did own Roe and was hitting Fare and Alessia while the entire AD faction (about 6 people) were still holding EP at Sej.

Rickter wrote: »

If the EP of Shor, went to Sotha Sil, this "CN problem" wouldnt be a problem. plain and simple. then Shor wouldnt have an "EP problem".

I'm not sure about this. I don't play there often anymore, but it's not prime time that's the blue problem in Sotha Sil. When I go to Sotha Sil, DC is getting their butts handed to them in prime time. More EP in prime time wouldn't address DC deliberately pvdooring everything on the map as soon as everyone logs off to puff up their epeen.

Someone capping the emp ring during off-peak is more of an annoyance than a problem; it's the gate camping and solid-color maps that make a campaign toxic. It turns off new players, and Mayhem week showed us how much potential new blood is out there.

Lacking solid guild leadership to set the tone, I don't have a solution though.

Rickter

NBrookus wrote: »

When I logged off, DC didn't own Ales but did own Roe and was hitting Fare and Alessia while the entire AD faction (about 6 people) were still holding EP at Sej.

idk what time this was because when i logged off, we only owned the aforementioned keeps/outposts.

Idk if youve caught on yet, but i dont push AD. at all. in fact, AD has all but been no call no shows as far as im concerned. Ya'll were the most vocal about having a Shor in the first place too.

It makes no difference. This is where Requiem was born. Hopesfire, Volundrung, Chillrend, Haderus, Thornblade. now Shor.
I have a guild mate pushing for emperor right now. Hes a good guy and proved very loyal to me and mine. He's one of the more deserving people i know of and there is a lot of guild support for him. so i suspect a large Requiem group tonight.

Lord_Hev

Rickter wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

When I logged off, DC didn't own Ales but did own Roe and was hitting Fare and Alessia while the entire AD faction (about 6 people) were still holding EP at Sej.

idk what time this was because when i logged off, we only owned the aforementioned keeps/outposts.

Idk if youve caught on yet, but i dont push AD. at all. in fact, AD has all but been no call no shows as far as im concerned. Ya'll were the most vocal about having a Shor in the first place too.

It makes no difference. This is where Requiem was born. Hopesfire, Volundrung, Chillrend, Haderus, Thornblade. now Shor.
I have a guild mate pushing for emperor right now. Hes a good guy and proved very loyal to me and mine. He's one of the more deserving people i know of and there is a lot of guild support for him. so i suspect a large Requiem group tonight.

AD are also directly or indirectly fueling the toxicity of the server by day-capping Emp and then logging off in the ever cycle of emp flipping.

With that said, the times your group is active is usually when the problematic AD are logged off and EP has done their thing. So that is also forming your perspective. Just something to keep in mind.

technohic

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Emperor did not seemed too concerned with us. ran into their 10+ group once at bleakers, then pockets of 4+ EP at Ales, Ash, and Nikel.

In all fairness though, it looked like some heavy AD/EP action at Alessia during these two hours so im sure that held EP's attention.

Yeah, EP was hammering AD all night, starting with EP ganking at the home gates and the emp group squatting BB/BM resources. It did help relieve some pressure when DC started taking their stuff back.

When I logged off, DC didn't own Ales but did own Roe and was hitting Fare and Alessia while the entire AD faction (about 6 people) were still holding EP at Sej.

Rickter wrote: »

If the EP of Shor, went to Sotha Sil, this "CN problem" wouldnt be a problem. plain and simple. then Shor wouldnt have an "EP problem".

I'm not sure about this. I don't play there often anymore, but it's not prime time that's the blue problem in Sotha Sil. When I go to Sotha Sil, DC is getting their butts handed to them in prime time. More EP in prime time wouldn't address DC deliberately pvdooring everything on the map as soon as everyone logs off to puff up their epeen.

Someone capping the emp ring during off-peak is more of an annoyance than a problem; it's the gate camping and solid-color maps that make a campaign toxic. It turns off new players, and Mayhem week showed us how much potential new blood is out there.

Lacking solid guild leadership to set the tone, I don't have a solution though.

I saw briefly an AD raid in the south get 1 of the emp keeps at least roght before EP was dethroned. We went back up north for that effort at that time but I noticed that was the only time I saw any yellow outside of gankers by the time DC crowned emp.

I'm surprised as I had not been on a lot over the summer as it seemed AD was the dominant side for numbers when I last played

Rickter

Lord_Hev wrote: »

AD are also directly or indirectly fueling the toxicity of the server by day-capping Emp and then logging off in the ever cycle of emp flipping.

With that said, the times your group is active is usually when the problematic AD are logged off and EP has done their thing. So that is also forming your perspective. Just something to keep in mind.

this is true. honestly idk what to do. I'd really like to move back to Sotha Sil. to be perfectly honest. But i like the little niche feel weve carved out through hard work on Shor.

Even though Ive been very negatively vocal about Shor, Ive also been its strongest supporter. Logging in every single night during East Coast prime time and working with what i have to make something out of nothing. but its getting pretty damn pointless. this is week two after the event and its pretty obvious that currently, there just isnt enough incentive to pvp to hold a server like Shor afloat.

there are definitely enough players. I hope every single person that preached ESO pvp pop was dying ate their words over the Midyear mayhem event because its simply not true. there just is no real incentive to pvp in this game.

Ranks are too much of a grind for the every day person to care
Emp is traded off so much on a daily basis that no one feels like they can get it
there is literally nothing you get for pvping. the RftW are garbage, the titles are uninspired, etc

What midyear mayhem should have shown the devs is that there is a MASSIVE ESO population willing to tap into pvp when they are given the right amount of reward.

Pelinal boxes are what RftW should be. Titles should come with vanity items such as the laurel costume hat and ruby throne housing item. Achievements should be added. etc.

without those things, all thats left are the people that want to pvp because its fun. problem is, the devs have fragmented the pop to where there are those that sit in BGs exclusively, those that prefer no cp, those that prefer 30 day cp those that prefer telvar farming and IC ganking and those that prefer competitive dueling in their guild hall. thats fragmentation. that is literally fragmentation. the diversity in this case is not good.

Lord_Hev

Rickter wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

AD are also directly or indirectly fueling the toxicity of the server by day-capping Emp and then logging off in the ever cycle of emp flipping.

With that said, the times your group is active is usually when the problematic AD are logged off and EP has done their thing. So that is also forming your perspective. Just something to keep in mind.

this is true. honestly idk what to do. I'd really like to move back to Sotha Sil. to be perfectly honest. But i like the little niche feel weve carved out through hard work on Shor.

Even though Ive been very negatively vocal about Shor, Ive also been its strongest supporter. Logging in every single night during East Coast prime time and working with what i have to make something out of nothing. but its getting pretty damn pointless. this is week two after the event and its pretty obvious that currently, there just isnt enough incentive to pvp to hold a server like Shor afloat.

there are definitely enough players. I hope every single person that preached ESO pvp pop was dying ate their words over the Midyear mayhem event because its simply not true. there just is no real incentive to pvp in this game.

Ranks are too much of a grind for the every day person to care
Emp is traded off so much on a daily basis that no one feels like they can get it
there is literally nothing you get for pvping. the RftW are garbage, the titles are uninspired, etc

What midyear mayhem should have shown the devs is that there is a MASSIVE ESO population willing to tap into pvp when they are given the right amount of reward.

Pelinal boxes are what RftW should be. Titles should come with vanity items such as the laurel costume hat and ruby throne housing item. Achievements should be added. etc.

without those things, all thats left are the people that want to pvp because its fun. problem is, the devs have fragmented the pop to where there are those that sit in BGs exclusively, those that prefer no cp, those that prefer 30 day cp those that prefer telvar farming and IC ganking and those that prefer competitive dueling in their guild hall. thats fragmentation. that is literally fragmentation. the diversity in this case is not good.

I agree, some very good points made here. The biggest thing is definitely incentive. PvP needs fresh flow of new players, or else it just stagnates... I mean it already stagnated, but it's getting progressively worse.

NBrookus

Rickter wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

When I logged off, DC didn't own Ales but did own Roe and was hitting Fare and Alessia while the entire AD faction (about 6 people) were still holding EP at Sej.

idk what time this was because when i logged off, we only owned the aforementioned keeps/outposts.

Idk if youve caught on yet, but i dont push AD. at all. in fact, AD has all but been no call no shows as far as im concerned. Ya'll were the most vocal about having a Shor in the first place too.

I don't know which DC groups (or pugs) did it. I spoke to a DC friend and they were (unsuccessfully) trying to take Ales with 3 people around then, and he had no idea which DC were down there either. Maybe they were just tired of fighting EP and decided to #moraleboost. It wouldn't be the first time and it's somewhat understandable, but double-teaming the faction on bottom sucks when you are on the receiving end.

As for being vocal about Shor, I'm only on AD because there are too many EP and DC has some organization whereas AD does not. That and Vivec is still a laggy mess of destro ball groups and faction stacks.

Rickter wrote: »

I have a guild mate pushing for emperor right now. Hes a good guy and proved very loyal to me and mine. He's one of the more deserving people i know of and there is a lot of guild support for him. so i suspect a large Requiem group tonight.

If DC wants to push emp in prime time, that'll be pleasant change of pace.

technohic wrote: »

I'm surprised as I had not been on a lot over the summer as it seemed AD was the dominant side for numbers when I last played

It's been a long time since AD was dominant all the time on the 7 day CP. It was a relatively benevolent dominance free of things like gate camping. Then EP was dominant and DID push gates regularly; then with Homestead the whole emp flip cycle started between EP and AD with a few DC emps thrown in. So your perspective could vary a lot depend on what time of day you played.

Frankly it was a much better place to play when AD was on top and sportsmanlike about it -- and I say that as someone who wasn't playing AD at the time.

Rickter

ya'll did me dirty tonight.

just needed a little more DC and we could have made it happen.

NBrookus

No one did a dirty. DC just didn't have the numbers for a prime time push; if Kena, Fengrush, etc had showed up earlier it would have been a different story. Tonight was the closest thing to an evenly matched 3-way struggle in a long while. Hopefully your guildie is still on top and has the energy to try again.

Where has Chaos Crew been @Claire ?

And Ruin Gaming showed up later in the evening tonight. Does anyone know if this is a guild move?

NightbladeMechanics

I showed up at 10:something. Some big AD group with Dead Wait and For Real tabbards was PvDooring the east side of the map, and there were probably half a dozen EP+DC on the server total. Rhage and I were bored and left after skirmishing around Chalm for a while.

I did get dogpiled by a half dozen lowbie werewolves. It was like a pile of puppies crawling all over me. That was amusing.

NBrookus

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I showed up at 10:something. Some big AD group with Dead Wait and For Real tabbards was PvDooring the east side of the map, and there were probably half a dozen EP+DC on the server total. Rhage and I were bored and left after skirmishing around Chalm for a while.

That was Ruin pushing; they were picking up lfg's in zone chat. By then I think Requiem had logged, and EP mostly left as soon as their emp push failed. I think everyone showed up to Sej because it looked like a good battle on a dead map; turned out to be a zerg. I logged about then too; there was noone left to fight.

Rickter

NBrookus wrote: »

No one did a dirty. DC just didn't have the numbers for a prime time push; if Kena, Fengrush, etc had showed up earlier it would have been a different story.

I was referring to the amount of teabagging and blatant teasing coming from both EP and AD in terms of "dirty". In regards to "Kena,Fengrush" - they showed up for Chalman, Sejanus, BRK keep takes and then literally vanished. Not before they trolled our "sieging skills." real champions. Maybe i'll check out his stream to see all the trash they talked about my group.

NBrookus wrote: »

Tonight was the closest thing to an evenly matched 3-way struggle in a long while.

Really? so my group of 9 and Requiem being the only DC on the server was "evenly matched" against the 15+ <DEAD WAIT> +<RUIN GAMING> + <For Real> Aldmeri Dominion teams and the <Dreadlords> + <Vae Victus> EP teams? Like, i dont even understand how you could make this kind of comment with a straight face.

NBrookus wrote: »

Where has Chaos Crew been @Claire ?

Pretty sure she's mentioned multiple times that its really just her and maybe two others now. the times ive seen her she doesnt even wear Choas Crew tags.

NBrookus wrote: »

Hopefully your guildie is still on top and has the energy to try again.

The bulk of Requiem logged at 10:47PM EDT. My friend pushed on and two stayed with him. I dont know how he fared other than i know he did eventually get emperor at 12:40AM

NightbladeMechanics

@Rickter excuse me, when did I encounter or talk trash about your group...ever?

Rickter

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@Rickter excuse me, when did I encounter or talk trash about your group...ever?

on the record or off?

besides, I was meaning that more for fengrush's group. hence: "check out his stream"

why are you so edgy?

NightbladeMechanics

Rickter wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@Rickter excuse me, when did I encounter or talk trash about your group...ever?

on the record or off?

besides, I was meaning that more for fengrush's group. hence: "check out his stream"

why are you so edgy?

Ever means ever, and you're the one trashing me on the forums about some event that I wasn't even present for, fyi. I'm not edgy, you're just projecting.

Rickter

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ever means ever, and you're the one trashing me on the forums about some event that I wasn't even present for, fyi.

youve always been a little edgy. in any case, i will give you this: i dont recall ever seeing you last night. pardon me for the following jab: as usual HAHAHAHA!! sorry i had to, its a dreary morning. but in any case, its @NBrookus that put you at the scene so its whatever, i was just quoting.

NightbladeMechanics

Rickter wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ever means ever, and you're the one trashing me on the forums about some event that I wasn't even present for, fyi.

youve always been a little edgy. in any case, i will give you this: i dont recall ever seeing you last night. pardon me for the following jab: as usual HAHAHAHA!! sorry i had to, its a dreary morning. but in any case, its @NBrookus that put you at the scene so its whatever, i was just quoting.

I freely call people out when they get ahead of themselves on the forums. I don't consider that edgy, but whatever.

As for last night, I spent an hour or so running between Chalm and BRK skirmishing the same weak AD group with Rhage. We left the campaign around...11:30 I want to say?...when a large group of DC sporting a couple Requiem tabbards rolled up to Chalm front door to siege. I saw the tabbard nameplates at range, shrugged, and queued out of the campaign. There were no good fights to be had, as AD and EP had all but vacated the map.

Rickter

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I freely call people out when they get ahead of themselves on the forums. I don't consider that edgy, but whatever.

say what? I wasnt "getting ahead of myself. I quoted this right here:

NBrookus wrote: »

if Kena, Fengrush, etc had showed up earlier it would have been a different story.

i even put quotations and specified streaming you literally got defensive and yes: EDGY over it. you dont want to be associated with "the event you werent a part of" then you need to tell Brookus to not put you in the same sentence as it.

and i got the full scoop: Crispen's group came in and swept the server around that time. there should only have been 4 Requiem tags.

Im just glad he got emperor. Hes a good guy. someone you'd like a lot more than me. and he did scrape and claw for it as I stated earlier:

Rickter wrote: »

... my group of 9 and Requiem being the only DC on the server was "evenly matched" against the 15+ <DEAD WAIT> +<RUIN GAMING> + <For Real> Aldmeri Dominion teams and the <Dreadlords> + <Vae Victus> EP teams? ...

Rickter

I was teabagged 5 times last night. Which is literally a first for the entire lifespan of Shor. The first time ever I saw teabagging on the server goes to x3 to AD and x2 to EP - 2 of those 3 times for AD was groups Brookus was in.

I strictly told Requiem not to teabag even after it happened to us. Not going to devolve into adrenaline junkie tweenie boppers over what? i askd a guy, i said, what did i do to you? why are you singling me out?

his response? "you tried to Xv1 and failed"

I said: "dude i dont care about that crap, im here to help a friend and have fun"

translation: i put up a damn good fight before going down and this dude wanted to tbag just to tbag.

Claire

NBrookus wrote: »

No one did a dirty. DC just didn't have the numbers for a prime time push; if Kena, Fengrush, etc had showed up earlier it would have been a different story. Tonight was the closest thing to an evenly matched 3-way struggle in a long while. Hopefully your guildie is still on top and has the energy to try again.

Where has Chaos Crew been @Claire ?

And Ruin Gaming showed up later in the evening tonight. Does anyone know if this is a guild move?

I've been out of town and off line for a week. Getting home later today, and will be back out there tonight.

Apoxsee

Well last night after 11:30 ish (eastern) the server died. Emp from Req did claim Emp. Not sure how that has held up this morning but the quest to get Emp for Emp was accomplished. It was a fun night.

Shor may not always have the equal numbers but none of these complaints are really ever different. Every update you have your over populated servers and those that have no one in them. ZOS has done their part to give more servers, combined servers, provide level (cp or sub lv 50) severs and still we as players all seem to stuff ourselves into the same damn one.

I checked out Viviec this weekend and I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would subject themselves to that... people truly to follow a group mentality.

Thank you Shor guilds for being here. I have enjoyed the competition you all are bringing, even if it is at my DC's expense. Lol

bubbygink

Just a random question from an XBox NA player seeing this thread: are Vivec and Shor not both totally pop-locked during prime time on PC NA? Both campaigns always seem to be pop-locked and have a pretty good sized queue for us on Xbox NA, even during the week. And the queues will often be huge on the weekends. Just surprises me that it seems like Shor has low pop on PC NA. Would make for some nice smaller scale stuff though!

Rickter

Well damn guys. I owe Fengrush an apology, he did not say anything negative about my group and his comments about our siege were genuine. I really thought it came off trollie. welp, for what its worth.

bubbygink wrote: »

Just a random question from an XBox NA player seeing this thread: are Vivec and Shor not both totally pop-locked during prime time on PC NA? Both campaigns always seem to be pop-locked and have a pretty good sized queue for us on Xbox NA, even during the week. And the queues will often be huge on the weekends. Just surprises me that it seems like Shor has low pop on PC NA. Would make for some nice smaller scale stuff though!

Right now, Vivec and Sotha Sil are the two pop locked servers for NA PC.

Shor was 2 AD 2 EP and 1 DC last night and most nights. Its the small/medium scale server. and it shouldnt be surprising, i mean, its just a reflection of how the two environments (PC v Console) are completely different. There was an still is a huge support for noCP pvp on PC and ushered that entire direction by ZOS. Thats why you see this dynamic versus that.

NBrookus

Rickter wrote: »

Really? so my group of 9 and Requiem being the only DC on the server was "evenly matched" against the 15+ <DEAD WAIT> +<RUIN GAMING> + <For Real> Aldmeri Dominion teams and the <Dreadlords> + <Vae Victus> EP teams? Like, i dont even understand how you could make this kind of comment with a straight face.

Yes. Despite the mismatch in numbers, for much of the evening the map was reasonably balanced. There was no emp on the field and no one faction had all the scroll and emp buffs. No faction got double-teamed; every faction had periods of offense and defense. AD was the only one who had a tri-keep pushed and we still had emp at the time. For Shor, that's pretty damn good.

As for the teabags, I'm only aware of one incident and I gave the person a lot of crap for it; it was uncalled for. Young men will sometimes be young.

Grats to your guildie; he worked hard for it.