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Rickter

This is Shor right now:




tell me who's "getting ganked while stepping off their spawn points"

Montayva

@Takuto are you referring to BCC emperors being cancerous?

@Rickter she did say, though perhaps you missed it, present company not included. I’m pretty sure she is talking prior to BCC homing Shor. And her comment was made to exclude you.



The thing is, everyone complaining about how boring and the same fights are each night, want to blame our group for holding emperor? It’s not our fault the lack of ep (or ad or dc) on the server. Jeez, a friend and I even got on our dc the other night and took tri keeps Back after ep were adamant they wanted them “for the skyshards”. But you know, we’ve been the scapegoats for peoples frustrations before so it’s whatever

NBrookus

First, I did place a disclaimer. You even quoted it. The people in this thread aren't the issue and they never have been. I have no problems with you or Requiem.

Second, I perceived Shor that way because that was my experience playing AD daytimes on Shor before I left for a while prior to BCC joining the EP side. 2-3pm there were typically gank squads at AD spawn points, pretty much every afternoon. In the interest of fairness I reviewed this thread and some of my saved screenshots, and there were a lot more issues with EP than DC. So I'll offer a mea culpa on that.

Third, no, scrolls have never been "off the table" by unofficial agreement. I'm just saying that I, personally, would rather they stay home for everyone. We don't get to have any epic scroll runs on this campaign, and the faction with emp really doesn't need the extra benefits.

Rickter

Montayva wrote: »

@Takuto are you referring to BCC emperors being cancerous?

@Rickter she did say, though perhaps you missed it, present company not included. I’m pretty sure she is talking prior to BCC homing Shor. And her comment was made to exclude you.

To me, that doesnt exclude requiem. Because we were there before you decided to "focus" on the server. We never left.

casparian

Montayva wrote: »

@Takuto are you referring to BCC emperors being cancerous?

@Rickter she did say, though perhaps you missed it, present company not included. I’m pretty sure she is talking prior to BCC homing Shor. And her comment was made to exclude you.



The thing is, everyone complaining about how boring and the same fights are each night, want to blame our group for holding emperor? It’s not our fault the lack of ep (or ad or dc) on the server. Jeez, a friend and I even got on our dc the other night and took tri keeps Back after ep were adamant they wanted them “for the skyshards”. But you know, we’ve been the scapegoats for peoples frustrations before so it’s whatever

I don't blame anyone in this thread for Shor sometimes being stale and not having enough people to fight. You people are the ones who show up. I just wish more people showed up -- but like Brookus said, that's what this whole thread is about.

Montayva

casparian wrote: »

Montayva wrote: »

@Takuto are you referring to BCC emperors being cancerous?

@Rickter she did say, though perhaps you missed it, present company not included. I’m pretty sure she is talking prior to BCC homing Shor. And her comment was made to exclude you.



The thing is, everyone complaining about how boring and the same fights are each night, want to blame our group for holding emperor? It’s not our fault the lack of ep (or ad or dc) on the server. Jeez, a friend and I even got on our dc the other night and took tri keeps Back after ep were adamant they wanted them “for the skyshards”. But you know, we’ve been the scapegoats for peoples frustrations before so it’s whatever

I don't blame anyone in this thread for Shor sometimes being stale and not having enough people to fight. You people are the ones who show up. I just wish more people showed up -- but like Brookus said, that's what this whole thread is about.

It’s what the thread -should- be about. What it’s turned into is a point the finger contest of whose to blame for everyone being frustrated at the state of the campaign

Takuto

Montayva wrote: »

@Takuto are you referring to BCC emperors being cancerous?

@Rickter she did say, though perhaps you missed it, present company not included. I’m pretty sure she is talking prior to BCC homing Shor. And her comment was made to exclude you.



The thing is, everyone complaining about how boring and the same fights are each night, want to blame our group for holding emperor? It’s not our fault the lack of ep (or ad or dc) on the server. Jeez, a friend and I even got on our dc the other night and took tri keeps Back after ep were adamant they wanted them “for the skyshards”. But you know, we’ve been the scapegoats for peoples frustrations before so it’s whatever

BCC? Not as such no, the emperor mechanic kind of ruins pvp on shor when anyone gets emperor who is 1) competent at solo or small group play 2) willing to aggressively defend their emperorship. It seems we've had as many blue emps as red emps which have destroyed any chance of finding interesting PvP on the campaign while they had emperorship. I can't really speak for yellow emps -- for obvious reasons.

Playing on yellow is a pretty miserable thing right now, so I don't really expect you to understand the perspective. But, every time i log on red or blue has emperor, and we're looking at having to flip 9 keeps to make the campaign livable for the night -- which never seems to happen, because the other faction logs -- leaving it as just our 4-6 against the emperor group.

Fighting a small emperor group, particularly one that likes to run around structure? It isn't fun, it it isn't interesting, it isn't rewarding. So I log, or go PvE.

Montayva

Everyone likes to assume we wouldn’t understand. We’ve -been- there. We’ve been on the receiving end of being gate camped and toxic maps. And our group has also talked many times about switching back to AD. Because ultimately our goal is to go somewhere to even out the pop and encourage more smallscale pvp. But would that honestly help Shor? The EP pugs seem to only be present when we hold emp. If our group moved to AD, it would make 2 competent groups running regularly on AD and none for ep again.

Our group is really only just a small group of friends that have known each other a long time. We’ve played in all factions and we generally move to whichever faction needs the most help. But in this case it really isn’t a specific faction. It’s Shor as a whole.

zyk

nm!

Irylia

If people go ad or more ad show up we can take the ep spot. With 4-8 depending on the enemies we face.

If Everyone just agreed to not take other people’s scrolls or home tri keeps them the pvp wouldn’t be so daunting for players that come to check the campaign.


3 of us tried to pvp the other night in shor but the only fight we found was Dc pvdooring chal. Fought there for a brief period then retreated to a resource hoping to face the 15+ that nizzla was with at chal. Didn’t see a lick of Dc for the next 30 minutes.
We wandered around the emp ring looking for the Dc. Guess they logged after the chal and ash take. Ep pugs started pushing chal westwards. A whole lot of avoiding fights or bad timing.

Our main issue with shor is we want a bounty of enemies to face but when the Dc or ad are more concerned with heading to the next objective, across map or otherwise, then it’s not enjoyable.
Everyone on shor should be more concerned with getting fights than playing the map.
In fact, leave the keep and face your opponents on new ground, locations, scenery. Bring fights off the beaten path.

Rickter

Im honestly surprised to hear nizzla had 15+ - with much respect that sounds a bit inflated unless he had merged with another group.

I was on Shor for a total of 20 mins. I grouped with a guildie, we went to Ales Farm, flagged it, Veronica Carbonera showed up on her magdk, held block while we wailed away on her, 3 mins went by and the Emperor showed up (also a mag dk), they timed a double dragon leap and me and my guildie were insta-deleted. Which is very odd because prior to <BCC> and "<DK is Back>" moving onto the server, I 1v1 dueled veronica and beat her magdk. straight up I have a witness. But all of a sudden i cant. Like there's some new MagDK build floating around thats kept hush hush.

So listen. Ive put a lot of hard work into this server. I never quit like others have

But this is getting out of hand. Its not about who's been dominant and who hasnt. On page 11 of this thread there are screen shots of EP camping gate keeps. EP has maintained 2 bars the entire campaign life cycle. Yet this garbage that DC was somehow choking the server is nonsense and more propaganda. Its about how we cant even pvp. We're fighting nothing but MagDKs and they are the most tanky - high survival - high dmg class in the game. Its absurd how people maintain MagDK is bottom of the barrel when non-emps are doing 9k Dragon Leaps on heavy armored players and emp magdks are doing 30k dragon leaps. Let alone the perma blocking. What magdk lacks in TTK ability, they make up for in spades with CC and group synergy. This whole "MagDKs are bottom of the barrel" smells like absolute propaganda at this point.

Maybe im just a baddie. Hell, idc, I am a baddie. You know, what do i do, right? i wear all crafted gear. I spam dizzying swing. I cant kill a MagDK.

So i queued up for Sotha Sil due to the following three things:

1) general lack of respect and recognition for what I've maintained on Shor even got accused of "showboating" my guild by PuG.

2) being invited by EP players to help DC on Sotha - which speaks volumes that an enemy faction actually wants my guild over there because they RESPECT WHAT WE BRING TO DC

3) The increasing contempt from my own guild mates over this situation, several of which have recently voiced that contempt in this thread.

The last one hit home. As stubborn as I want to be, I need to be a GM first. I pushed for Sotha, and I was left absolutely proud of how many of my regulars followed me into uncertainty.

And lo and behold. 110 kills, 123k AP

I knew it wasnt just me. . . I knew something didnt smell right with the recent DK is Back BS.

We fought Guild of Shadows/Darkest Requiem - those guys are elite. straight up. There isnt anything left to prove. And there was a multitude of fighting everywhere we went. It was night and day. It was what PvP was always meant to be.

Oh and here was the pinnacle, the icing on the cake, the quintessential reason I continue to run raids night after night:

We were points of light in infinite darkness. Sotha needs Heroes. Requiem is going to answer that need.

Montayva

@Rickter so you don’t think it’s the fact that you’re fighting Mdks who have mained MDK since the games launch and have a guild dedicated to helping other Mdks and they may actually be decent players who are better than you? Or you would just rather stoop to the finger pointing level, even though our guild members have actually given you advice and -told- you outright how you can counter us?

Btw, in regards to @Irylias earlier post about the 15+ dc on during oceanic, there was half a dozen sporting requiem tabards.

I’m not sure why you’re after @Rickter, because it seems to me like you’re taking your frustrations out on the people actually trying to help you.

Do you need a hug?


On the flip side, it was nice to see a few new ad faces tonight. Hopefully they stay. Was some of the funnest back and forths in a while, regardless of being zerged down.

Adenoma

@Rickter , super excited to fight you guys in Sotha. Soon as I go onto radiology on Monday I'll have boatloads of free time and get to putz around Cyrodiil again.

Rickter

Oh hey! yeah so I wasnt planning on being in Shor tonight. Fully prepared and homed on Sotha (check leaderboard to confirm) but i was asked by both AD and my guildie (who was number 1) to come organize a raid and push the map.

BIG OL EDIT!!!

let me clarify a few things please:
LoM had 6
Requiem/CTG had 12
KHOLE wasnt even there. Tisserand simply had the tabard on but was with LoM

You werent zerged by DC. <Bal Busters> came in completely after the fact (as in we alredy crowned) and thats how you got those numbers. <Dominant Dominion> came in with 13 on AD side and we had to fiht them off too.

[EDIT] I just want to get back to good pvp with my fam.

Good luck in Shor. I really mean that. There will be a void, and I hope you foster the DC that come to fill it.

Montayva

before M4D showed up tonight we had 4 of us to defend. We haven’t run anymore than 4-5 this whole campaign. Due to the fact DC has been so butthurt. You know damn well @Rickter we’ve been trying to work with you, and not against you. But alas, if you’ve given up on Shor then it’s irrelevant now.

If m4d is going to home Shor on EP our group may move to AD to try and keep the odds relatively even in regards to organised groups homing the server.

Lord_Hev

You accusing us of beating the opposition into submission? Suffocating? I practically held chillrend with a iron fist before it's removal. @panda244 @PandaIsAPotato Panda and I with our guild (Licinius Exploitation Inc) Turned what was an EP questing server into our own PvP playground where we took turns being emp and painted the whole map on the EP side yellow for the specific intent of forcing M4D out the server and purposely made it so impossible they couldn't even farm the sewers because I was at their sewer base entrance with a proxy bomb waiting.


Do not accuse us of killing any competition. I know how to kill a server. We upheld many unwritten codes of honor. We left tri keeps, didn't even care for Scrolls of any kind. If there is anyone to blame, it's the -other- DC guilds that freeload off of YOUR effort. THEY are the ones who abandoned you to fight our emp groups alone. THEY are to blame. I have nothing but admiration and respect for you, and your guild. I'm sorry the other DC are fickle and unreliable.

Rickter

Alright everyone just calm down. Im going to retract some of my more inflammatory remarks and try and move on in a good light here. Yes, <BCC> did adhere to unwritten code of honor, and that in itself is noteworthy and admirable. I hope you understand I was not the only one to share the sentiment that the server was being suffocated. So please take that to heart.

So listen, we're going to part ways. I also have respect for your team. And the potential and influence is there to push a great environment. Im going to post something my guildie wrote:

Look, a campaign is like any relationship. If you're with one that you're not having fun with... that disrepects you and doesn't appreciate you.... find somethin better.

Everyone at this point knows how much work i put into Shor. its undisputed. But when you are constantly accused of zerging, accused of show boating your guild, zerged down because a Vivec guild figured they should jump on shor while waiting for a queue because why not? shor is just a back dump server to hang out in until the vivec queue pops, and we were farmed at our gates (see page 11), then its just time to move on.

I think Requiem can bring a lot of good to Sotha, in which we will do so starting Monday. And we're jst tired of fighting MagDKs. They arent bottom of the barrel, please stop saying that. in fact they are as you said @Lord_Hev "DK is too back for us"

Jamini

Apoxsee wrote: »

My two cents.... We need an equal presence from AD. The DC and EP groups (pugs included) are about the same in numbers but to get pressure on an Emp you need the other faction involved. Dead Weight is a good group but they need more help and with consistency. With that I think shor would be in a good spot.

This is all through the lens of a NA PC eastern time zone prime time lens.

Love fighting with Dead Wait, but I'm taking this week off to rest and enjoy time with my boyfriend and enjoy the latest Stellaris patch. I'll be back next week to try and wrangle more pugs and farm more AP.

I'm probably going to co-opt the social guild I run (mostly friends from other games who started playing last year) to see if I can pull in some of the AD that are not part of Dead Wait in Shor and get a second cohesive guild going. It's probably going to be a slow process.

Takuto

Lord_Hev wrote: »

You accusing us of beating the opposition into submission? Suffocating? I practically held chillrend with a iron fist before it's removal. @panda244 @PandaIsAPotato Panda and I with our guild (Licinius Exploitation Inc) Turned what was an EP questing server into our own PvP playground where we took turns being emp and painted the whole map on the EP side yellow for the specific intent of forcing M4D out the server and purposely made it so impossible they couldn't even farm the sewers because I was at their sewer base entrance with a proxy bomb waiting.


Do not accuse us of killing any competition. I know how to kill a server. We upheld many unwritten codes of honor. We left tri keeps, didn't even care for Scrolls of any kind. If there is anyone to blame, it's the -other- DC guilds that freeload off of YOUR effort. THEY are the ones who abandoned you to fight our emp groups alone. THEY are to blame. I have nothing but admiration and respect for you, and your guild. I'm sorry the other DC are fickle and unreliable.

You may know how to kill a campaign, but i'm not sure if you know how to heal one. I'm not sure if our goals or perspective in PvP is so different that it is impossible for us to understand each other, but I'll try to explain.

For the entirety of the time we've been on shor and on haderus before that -- back to the point that DiG left our tiny guild as the largest active AD guild on the campaign. We've spent the first hour or so in cyrodiil every night trying to paint some portion of map yellow (~4-5 keeps) so that players can get to the action fast enough that PuGs can form and find enough action to stick around. We do this because we know that if we don't then groups formed on the other side will leave the campaign because they won't be able to find action. We don't seriously push for emp, but we do push to decrown -- this is because we've all been playing long enough to know that having an active emperor on a campaign reduces the amount of action.

BCC seems to want to hold emperor, defending even meaningless resources in the most hyper aggressive manner I've ever seen on Shor. I have a really hard time understanding why. Our guild members have rarely pursued emperorship, but when we've had a guild member as emperor, nearly all fights become a one-sided curb stomp -- and it grows old quick -- I can't really say I see myself wanting to hold onto it for more than an hour or two.

Well, that is my perspective on the matter. As for us, I think Dead Wait is going to be doing more PVE during the new event, while hoping that the subsequent patch finally merges the low pop campaigns and condenses the pugs -- hopefully making it a bit harder to hold onto emperorship and a bit less work to 'fix' the campaign state every night.

PandaIsAPotato

Takuto wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

You accusing us of beating the opposition into submission? Suffocating? I practically held chillrend with a iron fist before it's removal. @panda244 @PandaIsAPotato Panda and I with our guild (Licinius Exploitation Inc) Turned what was an EP questing server into our own PvP playground where we took turns being emp and painted the whole map on the EP side yellow for the specific intent of forcing M4D out the server and purposely made it so impossible they couldn't even farm the sewers because I was at their sewer base entrance with a proxy bomb waiting.


Do not accuse us of killing any competition. I know how to kill a server. We upheld many unwritten codes of honor. We left tri keeps, didn't even care for Scrolls of any kind. If there is anyone to blame, it's the -other- DC guilds that freeload off of YOUR effort. THEY are the ones who abandoned you to fight our emp groups alone. THEY are to blame. I have nothing but admiration and respect for you, and your guild. I'm sorry the other DC are fickle and unreliable.

You may know how to kill a campaign, but i'm not sure if you know how to heal one. I'm not sure if our goals or perspective in PvP is so different that it is impossible for us to understand each other, but I'll try to explain.

For the entirety of the time we've been on shor and on haderus before that -- back to the point that DiG left our tiny guild as the largest active AD guild on the campaign. We've spent the first hour or so in cyrodiil every night trying to paint some portion of map yellow (~4-5 keeps) so that players can get to the action fast enough that PuGs can form and find enough action to stick around. We do this because we know that if we don't then groups formed on the other side will leave the campaign because they won't be able to find action. We don't seriously push for emp, but we do push to decrown -- this is because we've all been playing long enough to know that having an active emperor on a campaign reduces the amount of action.

BCC seems to want to hold emperor, defending even meaningless resources in the most hyper aggressive manner I've ever seen on Shor. I have a really hard time understanding why. Our guild members have rarely pursued emperorship, but when we've had a guild member as emperor, nearly all fights become a one-sided curb stomp -- and it grows old quick -- I can't really say I see myself wanting to hold onto it for more than an hour or two.

Well, that is my perspective on the matter. As for us, I think Dead Wait is going to be doing more PVE during the new event, while hoping that the subsequent patch finally merges the low pop campaigns and condenses the pugs -- hopefully making it a bit harder to hold onto emperorship and a bit less work to 'fix' the campaign state every night.

Emperor has become consistently less powerful since launch if you can't band together and wipe out a campaign it's not because your opponents are to strong it's because there isn't enough of you to begin with. AD is a dead faction last I checked, has no meaningful players anymore, no meaningful guilds, ofc I haven't played the game in over 2 years now and I don't stay up to date with it so that could have changed.

But for the record, you can't heal a campaign, big guilds don't control campaigns the mindless mass of zerglings with no brains control it, and they constantly shift factions and campaigns, it's just a wheel. AD is on top then DC, then EP, etc. Nothing can be done about it, you can kill a campaign, you can't make it competitive or "heal" it. What's done is done, if you want to paint a map the color of your faction step one is gathering a solid 12-24 man group that's entirely capable on their own and then rallying all of the lemurs of questionable intelligence to your cause. EZ PZ.

Takuto

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Emperor has become consistently less powerful since launch if you can't band together and wipe out a campaign it's not because your opponents are to strong it's because there isn't enough of you to begin with. AD is a dead faction last I checked, has no meaningful players anymore, no meaningful guilds, ofc I haven't played the game in over 2 years now and I don't stay up to date with it so that could have changed.

But for the record, you can't heal a campaign, big guilds don't control campaigns the mindless mass of zerglings with no brains control it, and they constantly shift factions and campaigns, it's just a wheel. AD is on top then DC, then EP, etc. Nothing can be done about it, you can kill a campaign, you can't make it competitive or "heal" it. What's done is done, if you want to paint a map the color of your faction step one is gathering a solid 12-24 man group that's entirely capable on their own and then rallying all of the lemurs of questionable intelligence to your cause. EZ PZ.

All in all I think you are working with outdated information and false assumptions.

There are no zergs on shor, it is a low pop campiagn, and a 'dead campaign' as far as zerg followers are concerned. You generally won't find zone pug at all, and even when they exist they are almost always much smaller than local guild groups. It was like that for most of the existence of it's predecessor campaign as well. That said PuGs are important to the health of the campaign. In this environment Emperorship is devastating powerful if used as a tool to 'win' as opposed to a carrot and stick to drum up action.

Dead Wait with 100% participation (which has happened maybe twice in the past year), can pull a group of ~20. I'm pretty sure with that level of participation and a bit of planning for group composition (which we don't ususally do), we could de-crown BCC without much trouble. The problem is -- what would it accomplish? PvDooring a bunch of keeps while repeatedly getting bombed by an emperor isn't much fun, and even if we succeed, there is nothing stopping that emperor from recrowning the moment we log. -- So we'd have to devote ourselves to doing that every single night -- devote ourselves to mind-numbingly boring PvDoor...

rimmidimdim

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Takuto wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

You accusing us of beating the opposition into submission? Suffocating? I practically held chillrend with a iron fist before it's removal. @panda244 @PandaIsAPotato Panda and I with our guild (Licinius Exploitation Inc) Turned what was an EP questing server into our own PvP playground where we took turns being emp and painted the whole map on the EP side yellow for the specific intent of forcing M4D out the server and purposely made it so impossible they couldn't even farm the sewers because I was at their sewer base entrance with a proxy bomb waiting.


Do not accuse us of killing any competition. I know how to kill a server. We upheld many unwritten codes of honor. We left tri keeps, didn't even care for Scrolls of any kind. If there is anyone to blame, it's the -other- DC guilds that freeload off of YOUR effort. THEY are the ones who abandoned you to fight our emp groups alone. THEY are to blame. I have nothing but admiration and respect for you, and your guild. I'm sorry the other DC are fickle and unreliable.

You may know how to kill a campaign, but i'm not sure if you know how to heal one. I'm not sure if our goals or perspective in PvP is so different that it is impossible for us to understand each other, but I'll try to explain.

For the entirety of the time we've been on shor and on haderus before that -- back to the point that DiG left our tiny guild as the largest active AD guild on the campaign. We've spent the first hour or so in cyrodiil every night trying to paint some portion of map yellow (~4-5 keeps) so that players can get to the action fast enough that PuGs can form and find enough action to stick around. We do this because we know that if we don't then groups formed on the other side will leave the campaign because they won't be able to find action. We don't seriously push for emp, but we do push to decrown -- this is because we've all been playing long enough to know that having an active emperor on a campaign reduces the amount of action.

BCC seems to want to hold emperor, defending even meaningless resources in the most hyper aggressive manner I've ever seen on Shor. I have a really hard time understanding why. Our guild members have rarely pursued emperorship, but when we've had a guild member as emperor, nearly all fights become a one-sided curb stomp -- and it grows old quick -- I can't really say I see myself wanting to hold onto it for more than an hour or two.

Well, that is my perspective on the matter. As for us, I think Dead Wait is going to be doing more PVE during the new event, while hoping that the subsequent patch finally merges the low pop campaigns and condenses the pugs -- hopefully making it a bit harder to hold onto emperorship and a bit less work to 'fix' the campaign state every night.

Emperor has become consistently less powerful since launch if you can't band together and wipe out a campaign it's not because your opponents are to strong it's because there isn't enough of you to begin with. AD is a dead faction last I checked, has no meaningful players anymore, no meaningful guilds, ofc I haven't played the game in over 2 years now and I don't stay up to date with it so that could have changed.

But for the record, you can't heal a campaign, big guilds don't control campaigns the mindless mass of zerglings with no brains control it, and they constantly shift factions and campaigns, it's just a wheel. AD is on top then DC, then EP, etc. Nothing can be done about it, you can kill a campaign, you can't make it competitive or "heal" it. What's done is done, if you want to paint a map the color of your faction step one is gathering a solid 12-24 man group that's entirely capable on their own and then rallying all of the lemurs of questionable intelligence to your cause. EZ PZ.

Maybe Emp kills factions. You say it's not as powerful as used to be, your probably right. But it's still too powerful in my opinion. That's what hurts camps. Again in my opinion. But my exp in this camp because of low pop emp has to be nerfed. Big time. Just get rid of it. Find another way to make people want emp. Maybe just a gold gift, say 50k. Idk. But that is the problem on low pop camps. Cheers, I'll play any camp that has no lag. But I'ma with rickter on most of everything he has said. He is a pure player trying to make it better for his boys/gals and others we fight.

All this said, I will say, I had some amazing fights and meet cool opponents. But every night all you fight is DK's, it gets redundant. I want more. The night we tried the non CP camp, I realized where all the other NB's went other that me and apoxsee. Nothing wrong with trying something new. Every end has a new beginning.

This talk you can't heal a camp? Idk, maybe we could if there were not so many stupid camps. ZOS, close some of them plz. This is stupid. Again, cheers.

Edit. It's beyond stupid. It's redonkulous.

PandaIsAPotato

rimmidimdim wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Takuto wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

You accusing us of beating the opposition into submission? Suffocating? I practically held chillrend with a iron fist before it's removal. @panda244 @PandaIsAPotato Panda and I with our guild (Licinius Exploitation Inc) Turned what was an EP questing server into our own PvP playground where we took turns being emp and painted the whole map on the EP side yellow for the specific intent of forcing M4D out the server and purposely made it so impossible they couldn't even farm the sewers because I was at their sewer base entrance with a proxy bomb waiting.


Do not accuse us of killing any competition. I know how to kill a server. We upheld many unwritten codes of honor. We left tri keeps, didn't even care for Scrolls of any kind. If there is anyone to blame, it's the -other- DC guilds that freeload off of YOUR effort. THEY are the ones who abandoned you to fight our emp groups alone. THEY are to blame. I have nothing but admiration and respect for you, and your guild. I'm sorry the other DC are fickle and unreliable.

You may know how to kill a campaign, but i'm not sure if you know how to heal one. I'm not sure if our goals or perspective in PvP is so different that it is impossible for us to understand each other, but I'll try to explain.

For the entirety of the time we've been on shor and on haderus before that -- back to the point that DiG left our tiny guild as the largest active AD guild on the campaign. We've spent the first hour or so in cyrodiil every night trying to paint some portion of map yellow (~4-5 keeps) so that players can get to the action fast enough that PuGs can form and find enough action to stick around. We do this because we know that if we don't then groups formed on the other side will leave the campaign because they won't be able to find action. We don't seriously push for emp, but we do push to decrown -- this is because we've all been playing long enough to know that having an active emperor on a campaign reduces the amount of action.

BCC seems to want to hold emperor, defending even meaningless resources in the most hyper aggressive manner I've ever seen on Shor. I have a really hard time understanding why. Our guild members have rarely pursued emperorship, but when we've had a guild member as emperor, nearly all fights become a one-sided curb stomp -- and it grows old quick -- I can't really say I see myself wanting to hold onto it for more than an hour or two.

Well, that is my perspective on the matter. As for us, I think Dead Wait is going to be doing more PVE during the new event, while hoping that the subsequent patch finally merges the low pop campaigns and condenses the pugs -- hopefully making it a bit harder to hold onto emperorship and a bit less work to 'fix' the campaign state every night.

Emperor has become consistently less powerful since launch if you can't band together and wipe out a campaign it's not because your opponents are to strong it's because there isn't enough of you to begin with. AD is a dead faction last I checked, has no meaningful players anymore, no meaningful guilds, ofc I haven't played the game in over 2 years now and I don't stay up to date with it so that could have changed.

But for the record, you can't heal a campaign, big guilds don't control campaigns the mindless mass of zerglings with no brains control it, and they constantly shift factions and campaigns, it's just a wheel. AD is on top then DC, then EP, etc. Nothing can be done about it, you can kill a campaign, you can't make it competitive or "heal" it. What's done is done, if you want to paint a map the color of your faction step one is gathering a solid 12-24 man group that's entirely capable on their own and then rallying all of the lemurs of questionable intelligence to your cause. EZ PZ.

Maybe Emp kills factions. You say it's not as powerful as used to be, your probably right. But it's still too powerful in my opinion. That's what hurts camps. Again in my opinion. But my exp in this camp because of low pop emp has to be nerfed. Big time. Just get rid of it. Find another way to make people want emp. Maybe just a gold gift, say 50k. Idk. But that is the problem on low pop camps. Cheers, I'll play any camp that has no lag. But I'ma with rickter on most of everything he has said. He is a pure player trying to make it better for his boys/gals and others we fight.

All this said, I will say, I had some amazing fights and meet cool opponents. But every night all you fight is DK's, it gets redundant. I want more. The night we tried the non CP camp, I realized where all the other NB's went other that me and apoxsee. Nothing wrong with trying something new. Every end has a new beginning.

This talk you can't heal a camp? Idk, maybe we could if there were not so many stupid camps. ZOS, close some of them plz. This is stupid. Again, cheers.

Edit. It's beyond stupid. It's redonkulous.

When the game first launched, Emp was ridiculous. Yet, you still had people killing Emps 1v1, where you basically could one shot everyone and had infinite sustain on top infinite resources on top of broken scaling, it was nerfed. Then subsequently nerfed again and again throughout the patches, indirectly nerfed yes, but nerfed. It's not even remotely "too powerful" anymore, me and a friend killed a Sorc emp 2v1 on a resource, I died once, ran back, we killed him. Emp is a joke now when it's used by random people, you have to really know how to min/max and theorycraft to get the most out of Emperorship now. If the campaign has low pop, you close it, you don't change the way the game is supposed to be played because of it. If there are multiple campaigns with low pop then you clearly don't need them, close some, merge some, just condense the playerbase, there also doesn't need to be so many different campaigns in my opinion, CP, no CP, 30 day, 14 day, nonvet, etc, it's dumb.

Edit: Because ZOS is still a child company that bleeps *** matter on forums.