NA PC CALL 2 ARMS: DC and AD, SHOR NEEDS YOU!

Grimlok_S

I really would have liked DCU to be the small team to compliment Requiem.

We had a regular crew of up to 6. 4 of which have left to check out other games, leaving 2 for the time being.

We're out there, just feeling extra small. We held IC last night, kept a handful of EP busy.

Irylia

Why not just cut population cap on vivec by a decent amount and then make shor another 30 day campaign. Clearly no one cares about 7 day either because it's not long enough for them to feel they can commit and truly change the tide and outcome or people are tied to a large guild that homes vivec.

So 1. Downsize pop in vivec and make shot 30 days cp

2. Make shor an emp size ring map with no objectives no guards no siege just open terrain/cities/towers/gates/bridges for capped group sizes of 4-8 (decide) and it's just an all out pvp battle. Q into shor solo and get placed with a group or q with premade.

3. Make guilds have to "register"or purchase for a campaign slot in sotha/vivec (max 3 per faction) and then only those guilds can enter that campaign.

The excess pugs, small guilds and extra filter into 1 of the 3 other dead campaigns and make it their own.
If they want into one of the larger campaigns I'm sure those large guilds can recruit.

Rickter

@Irylia I believe a lot of what youre proposing was proposed by @Crispen_Longbow in regards to Haderus. I like those ideas because players clearly need to be told where to pvp as they cant take it upon themselves to balance server populations

@Grimlok_S - yeah that would have been perfect. oh well man, it was a dream. But you can still pvp with Requiem!

Durham

Dead wait will be on Vevic more ... Until ZOS something with other 3 dead campaigns... The Reds literally just want to play PVE door.... very hard to get fights in open field only want to fight defending in guards...

Rickter

Wow. Awesome. So i guess i get the closing statement here considering im the last man standing in regards to those that dedicated to building the server:

Last night (and this was consistent with Monday night as well): At Shor's peak (post 9PM EST) - I had a group of 17 and we were fighting a non-local AD group of 19 and an EP group of 13. there was epic raging battles post 9PM EST. Prior to that, yeah, it was pretty dead aside from the 13 EP and the 8 of Requiem that started the night.

The only guild tag i saw amoungst the AD group was <Evil Hearts> and EP had the usual <Dreadlords>

Breaking down the numbers:

At the time of this writing and day two of this server cycle, There are exactly 57 players on the DC leaderboards. There are 98 AD and 100 (obviously more) for EP. Keep in mind: many of which are same accounts just different characters.

57 (actuality much less) DC players TOTAL. wow! 57th place has 712 AP.

Im at 7th place with 298k AP. for simplicity sake, lets say 300k. In two days thats 150k AP per day, and considering i only play for 3 hours a day, thats 50k an hour. I dont use the delve buff and a lot of times i dont stick around for d ticks. According to ZOS figures, thats average. Shor is an average server. Thats what its meant to be.

Its not a perfect server. EP is dominating and unapologetically gate camping every faction during morning hours. There is some shady things going on in regards to EP/AD collusion and Emperorship (like Monday night, a 20+ AD guild came onto the server, flipped it within 43 minutes - DC stood no chance as EP was taking our gate keeps while this was happening - and as soon as AD crowned and emperor, they disappeared save for a pocket of 8-10 and EP proceeded to flip all keeps save for two, within minutes). And it is mostly dead with sparse small scale pvp throughout the day time.

But ultimately, it is what you make of it. From a Daggerall Covenant, 7PM-10:30PM EST perspective, I think the server is exactly what I expected and wanted. When Shor went live, a lot of my guildies were deep diving into Morrowind content. On Almalexia v1, i was struggling to field groups of 4 or more. then when Shor opened, that number maintained. it was a struggle. Always has been since Haderus days. So we would grab our gate keeps every day and farm AP at Bruma, Vlastrus, and Ales Mine. We didnt give up, we didnt complain. We just stayed persistent. and now? 1 week before midyear mayhem, Requiem exploded. We got an influx of returning members, and we're getting a solid 8 every night. at least 4 running around during the day time, and up to 15 during prime time. this would not happen if I had just gave up and threw up deuces and went to Vivec.

I spoke out AGAINST shor from the beginning. I said it was going to be a fake, emp flipping campaign. and I was right. I have an abrasive nature, but you cant argue with that foresight. So why do i stay? Because i worked hard at something and i finish what i start. Requiem has built an identity on the server. Thats rare and wonderful. We find fights, the server is clean of drama and [snip] talking, We have a prominent presence on the server, we can push competitive fights, we can crown an emperor, we can do everything pvp has to offer and most importantly, have fun doing it. So from where im standing, nothing has changed and Requiem will always do what Requiem does.

Durham

We will be on and off ... but PVP door gets boring quick... We start running early also so the map is a little dead at that point... I think the sweet spot for shot is 8:30-11pm... We have lost several members by that point 2 healers to be exact... left with 4 to 6 players with limited support...

Prince_of_all_Pugs

I was really hoping at this point the ep would all be dead.

Rickter

i had a group of 11 tonight for DC and had to fight a group of 6 EP and the EP emp group of 17 - they brought in a trade guild to prove a point. so if we had a few more DC and AD actually committing to the server, this would be a damn fine competitive environment

Chrlynsch

Werewolves spent the night in Vivec tonight, I can't run a guild PVP night on a dead server. The need to close the two that were opened for midyear, ASAP.

Rickter

I totally understand that @Chrlynsch we have the EP equivalent to Chuck Norris on Shor and its bad for morale. Were doing the best we can but much like the thread title: dc and ad, shor needs you.

NightbladeMechanics

I ported into Shor when I got home around 2am eastern last night, and there wasn't an objective on the map which wasn't red. Needless to say, I left.

Also a funny story, last week my 3 man wiped 21 people running in and around that Dreadlords zerg on a mine side breach at BRK as they tried to take it back from AD. We stayed on the server for a couple more hours and never saw them again. You can't have a competitive PvP server if the players don't want fights, or aren't PvPers to begin with.

Edit: Another thought, who is dethroning the EP emps and how often does it happen? Are the EP abdicating and letting themselves be dethroned to crown more emps, or just sitting on the server with a zerg trying to hold emp? That zerg running from us, our general trouble finding fights on Shor, and your mention of a PvE guild suggest they're abdicating. If that's the case, I wonder how feasible it would be to just stop taking the last couple emp keeps on Shor.. I wonder if they would use other faction alts to flip them, or if EP unassociated with the emp pushes would thwart them. Random stream of thoughts.

Rickter

It was AD flipping for EP and occasionally DC (requiem) would go for emp when one of our players reached the top leaderboard (this has only been twice)

The last two nights, EP has been content on choking the server and no one has flipped emp.

They have been on DC characters as ive seen DC players with the <Stormblade> guild tag

Apparently the EP emp threatened to choke the server if we wouldnt leave inner keeps alone while they farmed IC. We went after roebeck so hes keeping to his end of the bargain and there are 17-20 that help him uphold that threat.

NightbladeMechanics

OH they're farming IC? HAHAHA ok I'll put an end to that myself.

Rickter

no they wanted to but were scared we'd dethrone while they were down there. whispered my guild mate and told him that if he touched the inner, they would choke the server. my guildmate hit Roebeck and now the EP emp is choking the server.

How he got <East Empire Trading> to help him do it, i have no idea.

I need friends in high places it seems

NightbladeMechanics

We cannot un-choke the whole map since that would require sieging, but we can definitely wipe those groups in their precious IC farming and any open field or resource tower fight. Now that I know where they're hiding out, I'll see about going after them. I'll investigate IC myself tonight to see if they're there.

wolfwraith37

Rickter wrote: »

Apparently the EP emp threatened to choke the server if we wouldnt leave inner keeps alone while they farmed IC. We went after roebeck so hes keeping to his end of the bargain and there are 17-20 that help him uphold that threat.

...Wow. Just...wow.

NBrookus

So EP threatened to "choke the server" more than... what? Already having a solid red map and camping gate resources?

I popped in the other morning on EP to see what was going on, and the EP emp was coordinating in zone chat sharing take resource quests so everyone could all get the AP for zerging them one by one.

OdinForge

NBrookus wrote: »

So EP threatened to "choke the server" more than... what? Already having a solid red map and camping gate resources?

I popped in the other morning on EP to see what was going on, and the EP emp was coordinating in zone chat sharing take resource quests so everyone could all get the AP for zerging them one by one.

When the vivec queue is high and I'm forced to enter another campaign, I can't even go to the resources to pvp. Every time I go to a keep where a resource is flipping it looks like a disturbed ant hill, where 15 other EP are getting ready to butt rush the resource to kill 3 DC. EP is hands down the worst faction to play on PC/NA if you're looking for outnumbered fights, or just fights where you don't want to zerg.

If I could faction change my toons I would, but playing another game is just as fine of a solution at this point.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

The ep on shor are NOTHING like CN on sotha , the ep on shor rotate people throughout the day and have a constant population. CN runs a group of at least 8-24 20 HOURS a DAY. Fighting a buff server faction and fighting a unemployed no life guild are 2 completely different things please stop comparing the 2. Also during prime time CN gets dominated by DR , yes THE "best D.C. Guild " ( I'm making the signs with my hands ATM) gets dominated by DR. So shameful.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

OdinForge wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

So EP threatened to "choke the server" more than... what? Already having a solid red map and camping gate resources?

I popped in the other morning on EP to see what was going on, and the EP emp was coordinating in zone chat sharing take resource quests so everyone could all get the AP for zerging them one by one.

When the vivec queue is high and I'm forced to enter another campaign, I can't even go to the resources to pvp. Every time I go to a keep where a resource is flipping it looks like a disturbed ant hill, where 15 other EP are getting ready to butt rush the resource to kill 3 DC. EP is hands down the worst faction to play on PC/NA if you're looking for outnumbered fights, or just fights where you don't want to zerg.

If I could faction change my toons I would, but playing another game is just as fine of a solution at this point.

I agree odin it's cause of that *** I play on sotha sil, but so few ep play there cause only the strong can survive there, and sadly most of our faction is just a bunch of wannabe 1vxers who just Zerg surf all day. Pathetic.

Rickter

i hear ya Pug. Whats your @ name anyway? I feel like i know you but maybe not. . .

in any case, regardless of the state of Shor, it changes nothing for Requiem. Like i said, we've developed an identity on the server and lets be honest, there really isnt anywhere else to go. Vivec, maybe. . just maybe but Sotha? no. Almalexia? no. Kastav? Xarxes? no.

We are getting pvp in and its only been this one week that EP has imposed in such a way. seriously guys, its been less than a week of this. We killed a group of 8 with our 11 3 times over at Ash Farm when they had infinite rezzes and it took the Emperor and the rest of their 13 to come in and clean us up. Keep in mind, not all of Requiem are full time elite pvpers either. So despite the odds, we're holding our heads high.

Grimlok_S

It's not like the reigning EP are even good, it's just a numbers game.

I logged on one morning to the usual red map and decided I'd skip the 3-4 waiting in home keep guards. I made the trek to ales farm and flagged that to see what I could stir up.

After the take I made my way towards the LM when I saw a red climbing the stairs, I doubled back and engaged on the south side of the hill.

After a bit of a duel with an oddly high health magplar rapid firing meteors I realised the corpse in front of me had the empress tag.
Huh.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

FENGRUSH IS EMP! how did that happen!

Rickter

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

FENGRUSH IS EMP! how did that happen!

must not have lasted long. . . there is no emperor at the moment

EDIT: yeah he is emperor, my bad, when i logged in i could have swore the Emperorship page said there was no emperor

Rickter

Lots of good fighting on shor with DC and EP. AD still vastly under represented - which is like a first. .

NBrookus

Rickter wrote: »

Lots of good fighting on shor with DC and EP. AD still vastly under represented - which is like a first. .

Nah, I was repeatedly accused of zerging on AD last night. 3 people trying to take a keep against 9 defenders is totes zerging, you know?

Rickter

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Lots of good fighting on shor with DC and EP. AD still vastly under represented - which is like a first. .

Nah, I was repeatedly accused of zerging on AD last night. 3 people trying to take a keep against 9 defenders is totes zerging, you know?

what time was this? We saw one group of 5 AD towards the end of the night and you were not with them. They never advanced past roebeck and alessia either. we were fighting EP most of hte night and it was fairly evenly matched.

NBrookus

Rickter wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Lots of good fighting on shor with DC and EP. AD still vastly under represented - which is like a first. .

Nah, I was repeatedly accused of zerging on AD last night. 3 people trying to take a keep against 9 defenders is totes zerging, you know?

what time was this? We saw one group of 5 AD towards the end of the night and you were not with them. They never advanced past roebeck and alessia either. we were fighting EP most of the night and it was fairly evenly matched.

Probably earlier; I didn't stay long and the only time I saw Requiem I didn't see you. I wanted to see if my argonian templar build worked on a breton (it doesn't really) and a friend was trying to farm AP for an emp push at some point this week (chances look slim).

We tried to take Alessia a couple of times when it looked like EP and DC were busy elsewhere, but EP had more than enough numbers to split off enough to defend.

But DC wasn't pushing AD's trikeeps, which was pleasant, although I suppose they did at some point since DC had AD's scrolls. I don't know if that was Fengrush's influence or not but it was quite bit classier than the EP regime has been lately.

Earthewen

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus I recall <Raven and the Rose> quite well. and i see what youre saying, its not Earthewen personally, just reeks of the same. <Dreadlords> was part of that Haderus zerging too, but they were overshadowed by RnR's numbers so i didnt put the two and two together.

Honestly, unless you guys are talking about the post midnighters, I dont see EP necessarily "zerging" i mean, we're fighting about the same numbers.

@Grimlok_S - didnt you say DCU was going to make the move to Shor?

Honestly, I think the overall "slump" if you could call it is due to 1) the new dlc and 2) too many 7 day campaigns. Once those two things are over, Shor will return to normal.

I didnt pvp with my guild last night but they seemed to have had a really fun time. They had a group of 11.

Thanks, Rickter. My guys did want to play on Hade, but it was due to the lag and disconnects that were rampant at the time over on True Flame. To be honest, we deliberately went other places than other EP guilds just to avoid zerging. We were thrilled with the thought of a new server (Vivec) that promised less lag and problems. We are looking for better fights and have avoided taking anything but a small group to Shor. We took a small group to Shor last night, less than 10 players and were immediately zerged down by the DC emp group with 30 players.

I honestly don't get the whole "tainted by earthewen" thing, but I must be doing something right on the battlefield for those kind of comments to be flying around. I had no idea I had such power over an entire gaming population! LOL I thought I was just playing a game I enjoyed.

FENGRUSH

Earthewen wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus I recall <Raven and the Rose> quite well. and i see what youre saying, its not Earthewen personally, just reeks of the same. <Dreadlords> was part of that Haderus zerging too, but they were overshadowed by RnR's numbers so i didnt put the two and two together.

Honestly, unless you guys are talking about the post midnighters, I dont see EP necessarily "zerging" i mean, we're fighting about the same numbers.

@Grimlok_S - didnt you say DCU was going to make the move to Shor?

Honestly, I think the overall "slump" if you could call it is due to 1) the new dlc and 2) too many 7 day campaigns. Once those two things are over, Shor will return to normal.

I didnt pvp with my guild last night but they seemed to have had a really fun time. They had a group of 11.

We took a small group to Shor last night, less than 10 players and were immediately zerged down by the DC emp group with 30 players.

https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyTangentialChipmunkTBTacoLeft

This is what 30 people + emp looks like to EP getting dismantled by His Lordship.