200k AP/H sitting afk at BB mine

Ahzek

Turelus wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

... I will see you on the battlefield some time.

Yeah sure

Well I am a Nightblade, if you can see me I'm doing it wrong.

I think the point was that those roleplayers are to busy roleplaying to enter any other battlefields.

Turelus

Ahzek wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

... I will see you on the battlefield some time.

Yeah sure

Well I am a Nightblade, if you can see me I'm doing it wrong.

I think the point was that those roleplayers are to busy roleplaying to enter any other battlefields.

Oh. I am just used to everyone attacking me in this thread.

I'll be quiet and go away from here now.

AbraXuSeXile

This morning you have 2 options for pvp. Yellow map tf or haderus bleakers farm.

This games hit rock bottom.

Sanct16

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

This morning you have 2 options for pvp. Yellow map tf or haderus bleakers farm.

This games hit rock bottom.

What exactly is the problem with yellow map? At least you have enemies there. I'd rather have DC map every day than AD.

Valencer

Because vs TF AD youre mostly either fighting their whole alliance or noone at all. There's not much of a middle ground.

Biro123

Valencer wrote: »

Because vs TF AD youre mostly either fighting their whole alliance or noone at all. There's not much of a middle ground.

True that.. This-morning in TF for me went like this..:

Log in - map mostly yellow. They have emp. No crossed swords anywhere..

Head to nearest yellow keep(Ales) take a resource. move on, take a couple more.. notice they are being re-taken back behind. Bump into 2-3 other blues doing the same thing. next resource - zerged down by around 20 yellows..

Back to base - head back out - 5 mins or so of small-scale around resources - zerged down again..

Back to base - someone forming a pug now. Ok, I'll join. seems we need numbers.. Also someone telling me that as soon as the campaign had reset about 40 AD all logged on and zerged all the emp keeps.

We have about 10 in grp - probably most of the online faction at that time. Head to Ales, siege up, get inner open - zerged down by 40+AD.

Head out to try again... get solo'd by the Emp and his constant ulti...

Logs off to go to work (some of us have RL!)

ya... another screwed campaign.. If its not bad enough being outnumbered 4v1 everytime you try something... you have an emp who can solo the whole faction....

Is it any wonder DC doesn't really cares about sieging when this happens every time they log off...

AbraXuSeXile

Sanct16 wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

This morning you have 2 options for pvp. Yellow map tf or haderus bleakers farm.

This games hit rock bottom.

What exactly is the problem with yellow map? At least you have enemies there. I'd rather have DC map every day than AD.

At peak time i agree but off times for some skirmish solo getting chased by full raid till the end of time is not so fun.

Aiphaton

Just check Azura, the Map is evry Morning completly Red you can not go out of the gates cause ep is allready high populated at 12 am/ 1pm and is camping scrollgates...

Turelus

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

This morning you have 2 options for pvp. Yellow map tf or haderus bleakers farm.

This games hit rock bottom.

What exactly is the problem with yellow map? At least you have enemies there. I'd rather have DC map every day than AD.

At peak time i agree but off times for some skirmish solo getting chased by full raid till the end of time is not so fun.

Get the gang back together and farm them!

Abrax | Hex 2017
Make DC Great Again

AbraXuSeXile

My point was that because ep and dc farm bleaker that ad have the main pvp map with little to no action without ad zerg.

AbraXuSeXile

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.

No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.

The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.

26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.

74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.


As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.

Your numbers are a joke.

Zinaroth

Turelus wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

This morning you have 2 options for pvp. Yellow map tf or haderus bleakers farm.

This games hit rock bottom.

What exactly is the problem with yellow map? At least you have enemies there. I'd rather have DC map every day than AD.

At peak time i agree but off times for some skirmish solo getting chased by full raid till the end of time is not so fun.

Get the gang back together and farm them!

Abrax | Hex 2017
Make DC Great Again

He is too busy role playing at Bleakers and jumping into hordes of AFK EP players with detonation and destruction ultimate for increased immersion.

Kas

e: nvm, let this madness continue. Once again, Azura EU is kinda fine anyway (while other campaigns appearently are burning to the ground) and I can still play properly.

InvitationNotFound

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.

No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.

The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.

26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.

74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.


As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.

Whenever ZOS comes around with numbers i get reminded of this master piece here:

https://youtu.be/d7Ttp41oYYs?t=2837
(starting at 47:17)

@ZOS_BrianWheeler :
as already mentioned: your numbers are wrong. really really wrong.
how did you get your numbers? maybe you should fix a few bugs in your analysis tools as well...

Sandman929

Turelus wrote: »

Wanted to make a post to say I'll be dropping out of the roleplay reporting.

Whilst I have enjoyed the gains I've made (about 1mil AP) it's not really in my character to continue using tactics like this and there is really no more data I can give ZOS that I didn't gather and post the last two mornings.

To the roleplay members who took me in and gave me free access to participate and read conversations even under the knowledge I would post it all here I thank you for your kindness and I will see you on the battlefield some time.

I hope my actions and posts have shown ZOS the severity of this issue and they address it soon, until that happens I hope you all roll a bunch of natural 20s for your AP rewards.

I appreciated the effort, hopefully others did too. The fact that ZOS looks at some data and says it's not a problem, then decides to double AP gain for a week before revisiting this mechanic is staggering.

azoriangaming

i'm just going to assume that this isn't happening on the U.S server any more this is why those stats are miles out from the truth of the E.U stat and because it's the E.U server they don't give a toss lol

Turelus

azoriangaming wrote: »

i'm just going to assume that this isn't happening on the U.S server any more this is why those stats are miles out from the truth of the E.U stat and because it's the E.U server they don't give a toss lol

Not quite how I would have phrased it but pretty much what I am thinking.

I am a little worried that a lead developer had no idea what was happening on a game server and it required a player to post contradicting evidence for it to even be recognised as an issue, made worse by the fact they then had to ask that player what campaign it was.

This isn't a dig at Wheeler but it scares me that a company running an MMO can be so clueless of the events happening on it. It also makes me wonder how much they even interact with or take note of the EU server and community.
If they're doing all of their work from data on a single server (NA) then that's going to cause a lot of issues especially when they're working on countering botting/cheating/exploiting.

If it's not ZOS HQ where Wheeler is which is watching over that on the EU server then who is and why are they not giving that information to ZOS faster.

This again just brings me back to my massive frustrations about how Zenimax Media & ZOS run the show. There are smaller and far less wealthy gaming companies running a better show than ZOS in regards to server performance and security.

I guess this is what we should expect from big corporations though, why invest in something which isn't affecting the income.

Anhedonie

Unlock skill points from pvp ranks or move them somewhere else and AP farming will die the same day.

Turelus

So Brian spoke on ESO Live and all he said was (and I paraphrase as I forgot the direct quote already).

"we have noticed certain behaviours"

Otherwise no mention at all on when this will be address of that they disprove of it.

Ugh... I am going to just not partake in this and then regret it again aren't I?

Isbilen

Turelus wrote: »

So Brian spoke on ESO Live and all he said was (and I paraphrase as I forgot the direct quote already).

"we have noticed certain behaviours"

Otherwise no mention at all on when this will be address of that they disprove of it.

Ugh... I am going to just not partake in this and then regret it again aren't I?

There's going to be a lot of Grand Overlords in a week and a half...

BEZDNA

Turelus wrote: »

So Brian spoke on ESO Live and all he said was (and I paraphrase as I forgot the direct quote already).

"we have noticed certain behaviours"

"...and that beeing sad we know taht the changes with 13 have brought on various behavious that we knew are going to acure."

ExcaliburESO

Noone posted anything since 4 am, whats is going on with u guys!!!

Turelus

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Noone posted anything since 4 am, whats is going on with u guys!!!

There isn't much left to say.

ZOS have the information they need, people have chosen a side on if they want to or don't want to use this.

Flaminir

Turelus wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Noone posted anything since 4 am, whats is going on with u guys!!!

There isn't much left to say.

ZOS have the information they need, people have chosen a side on if they want to or don't want to use this.

At the time of writing Trueflame is not PopLocked, but Haderus is...

I think the majority have spoken!

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Flaminir wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Noone posted anything since 4 am, whats is going on with u guys!!!

There isn't much left to say.

ZOS have the information they need, people have chosen a side on if they want to or don't want to use this.

At the time of writing Trueflame is not PopLocked, but Haderus is...

I think the majority have spoken!

A lot of people complain about ad zerging the map on tf in the morning yet everyday lately i see haderus getting higher dc and ep pops than tf. Hypocrisy at its best. Not that i condone ad's behavior but when people prefer to afk leech ap rather than actually pvp these are the results.

Arthg

@Turelus I admire your patience and your determination, mate.

I'm wracking my brains to figure out a perspective from which this combination of morally challenged players and utterly disconnected devs doesn't appear as lame and doesn't end up ruining the PvP experience, at least for me.

...

Nope.
Can't do it.
These shenanigans are neither fun nor fair.

ZOS fix this mess, please.

ExcaliburESO

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Noone posted anything since 4 am, whats is going on with u guys!!!

There isn't much left to say.

ZOS have the information they need, people have chosen a side on if they want to or don't want to use this.

At the time of writing Trueflame is not PopLocked, but Haderus is...

I think the majority have spoken!

A lot of people complain about ad zerging the map on tf in the morning yet everyday lately i see haderus getting higher dc and ep pops than tf. Hypocrisy at its best. Not that i condone ad's behavior but when people prefer to afk leech ap rather than actually pvp these are the results.

AD been zerging map on TF even before Homestead patch. My daily pvp was go in TF try to take a keep with my friends, get wiped by 60 AD at Arrius then go to IC run there for 1 h change camping go ic there and after that go to pve. Thats my avarege pvp exp for like 2-3 months.

Turelus

Arthg wrote: »

@Turelus I admire your patience and your determination, mate.

I'm wracking my brains to figure out a perspective from which this combination of morally challenged players and utterly disconnected devs doesn't appear as lame and doesn't end up ruining the PvP experience, at least for me.

...

Nope.
Can't do it.
These shenanigans are neither fun nor fair.

ZOS fix this mess, please.

Meh, I won't lie I am hating myself for not farming this. I still need many of the motif pages and I generally retired from mainstream PvP so I doubt I will earn much AP through real gameplay.
I think what annoys me the most is everyone gets a sense this is wrong, but ZOS' silence on it kind of makes it seem like they're fine with the issue, which has me asking myself "why am I not doing this then?"

To be clear I am no saint in this game, I got my Emperor achievement from trading way back when we had 10 campaigns, I decided to get it ticked off the list so I could focus on just enjoying PvP for PvP and not AP and achievements.
I generally won't give anyone abuse for AP farming, I think it's lame and I want ZOS to fix it but each to their own and no one deserves abuse from another player just because they're taking advantage of an ill conceived system.

The only time I will generally disrespect players is for full level exploiting or RMT (gold selling etc.) as these are outside of just making use of a core mechanic to your benefit and abusing true bugs or undermining the developers/game.

Chair

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Noone posted anything since 4 am, whats is going on with u guys!!!

There isn't much left to say.

ZOS have the information they need, people have chosen a side on if they want to or don't want to use this.

At the time of writing Trueflame is not PopLocked, but Haderus is...

I think the majority have spoken!

A lot of people complain about ad zerging the map on tf in the morning yet everyday lately i see haderus getting higher dc and ep pops than tf. Hypocrisy at its best. Not that i condone ad's behavior but when people prefer to afk leech ap rather than actually pvp these are the results.

AD been zerging map on TF even before Homestead patch. My daily pvp was go in TF try to take a keep with my friends, get wiped by 60 AD at Arrius then go to IC run there for 1 h change camping go ic and zerg down 3 man grps with 8 man tank builds with desto ultis. Thats my avarege pvp exp for like 2-3 months.

Fixed

AbraXuSeXile

Turelus wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

@Turelus I admire your patience and your determination, mate.

I'm wracking my brains to figure out a perspective from which this combination of morally challenged players and utterly disconnected devs doesn't appear as lame and doesn't end up ruining the PvP experience, at least for me.

...

Nope.
Can't do it.
These shenanigans are neither fun nor fair.

ZOS fix this mess, please.

Meh, I won't lie I am hating myself for not farming this. I still need many of the motif pages and I generally retired from mainstream PvP so I doubt I will earn much AP through real gameplay.
I think what annoys me the most is everyone gets a sense this is wrong, but ZOS' silence on it kind of makes it seem like they're fine with the issue, which has me asking myself "why am I not doing this then?"

To be clear I am no saint in this game, I got my Emperor achievement from trading way back when we had 10 campaigns, I decided to get it ticked off the list so I could focus on just enjoying PvP for PvP and not AP and achievements.
I generally won't give anyone abuse for AP farming, I think it's lame and I want ZOS to fix it but each to their own and no one deserves abuse from another player just because they're taking advantage of an ill conceived system.

The only time I will generally disrespect players is for full level exploiting or RMT (gold selling etc.) as these are outside of just making use of a core mechanic to your benefit and abusing true bugs or undermining the developers/game.

Just go farm the only way itll get stopped is when ZOS realise the economy is gonna die from it and people can make easy gold and no ones gonna buy their crown store houses and crap.