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200k AP/H sitting afk at BB mine
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pjwb16_ESO✭✭✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler Awesome data; love it when you bring out the stats.silvereyes wrote: »The stats are cool and all, but I think they kind of miss the point. 74% of the PC population earning between 0-20k AP per hour isn't "normal". A good deal of folks in Cyrodiil aren't PvPing at all. Many are there for skyshards, lorebooks, quests, visiting vendors, or just afk. Unless you somehow exclude those folks, it's going to skew the averages and percentages downwards.
Sometimes it helps to step back from the data and ask yourself, "does this even make sense"?
Honestly it doesn't seem that far off. Novice PvPers don't make a lot of AP. (It took me forever to get my first toom to Major!). They don't know how, and then they either die a lot or end up in a PUG group that makes little AP in the first place and then it gets split a bunch of ways. Getting their Warhorn is a tedious grind. One which the higher ticks will help with, but hopefully can be revised in a way that stop incentivizing zergs.
Had someone whisper me bragging they made 20k AP "farming" my group of 4 tonight with their full raid. Too bad I made 100k "getting farmed." I didn't care about the AP, we were having fun -- but a lot of players don't have a good sense of what is and is not a good source of AP.
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Hafgar_W✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.
No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.
The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.
26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.
74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.
As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.
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Chair✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.
No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.
The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.
26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.
74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.
As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.
Is this for EU aswell? yesterday we were on 80 for 2hours . Would be interesting to see the EU PC stats if you have them
But this is very interesting thanks :>Edited by Chair on February 22, 2017 7:32AM100% Not Miruku I swear
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✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.
No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.
The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.
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So the metrics is only NA Server? Because we already have screenshots from guys doing more on the EU Server. The game is more than the NA server.6 -
Neoakropolis✭✭✭"74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains."
Meaning that 74% of the population are garbage and cant even do better than someone afk'ing at a keep to get the def ticks.... Like WOT???!?0 -
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✭Neoakropolis wrote: »"74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains."
Meaning that 74% of the population are garbage and cant even do better than someone afk'ing at a keep to get the def ticks.... Like WOT???!?
Basically yea, think of all those bad sorcs and templars that 41m range or siege from keeps. That is them.
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Malveria✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »
74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.
74% of the PC population
0-20k AP per hour
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Are you taking time out of Cyrodiil into account? Because out of experience during our daily guild raids we get easily 60-90k AP/H over any period of time.Edited by Sanct16 on February 22, 2017 10:17AM- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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Are you taking time out of Cyrodiil into account? Because out of experience during our daily guild raids we get easily 60-90k AP/H over any period of time.
I guess they count the time spent in Cyrodiil, including the time you spend scratching your balls afk at your home base
Statistics like that are easily flawed.
For example : we had some 3v3s and 2v2s yesterday for about an hour where we barely made any ap due to the nature of our activity, I then went to pvp and we made about 90k ap in 1.5 hours, but the total result would be about 100k ap for 2.5 hours, which doesnt reflect at all the amount we pull off in a normal pvp session.5 -
VoiDGhOs7✭✭✭✭Yesterday I stood afk at Bleakers and got 400k in around 2 hours and today 200k in about 1 and half hours.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't really want to hound Brian and I do want to remain civil but I also want to know how the figures relate to the issue at hand.
From his figures we see that only two players managed to score above 120k AP/h in the last 13 days and that a majority (74%) of the population are gaining only 20k AP/h.
However I have shown this morning that early morning trading nets over 120k AP/h and has been going on for over a week now. So either ZOS have very wrong figures or (and I don't want to believe) they're trying to mislead in order to calm people down about this issue.
I will give full information on what I did this morning, in hopes of shining light on this.
I set my alarm for 04:00 (two hours before I am normally up for work), logged into the game and killed a boss (Kingscrest Cavern) before running to Bleakers.
There were as always a small number of people scattered around the stairs/stones hiding and gaining AP and two groups inside trading the Outpost back and forth.
I actually went inside and helped this morning to see how things were done, I recorded my numbers to see what the AP gains were (not using an AP/h add-on).
The EP side had a good number of players inside (approx 15) to flip flags, DC had maybe 10 at most and were far less efficient at flipping flags. EP were clearing and taking the keep in a couple of mins (five at most) with DC taking five to seven as sometimes they only had one person to take both flags.
This has been going on every night/morning for a while now and people have been gaining massive AP gains from it. While I will agree a good PvP group can make more AP/h the fact is that this is steady reliable income of AP which is equivalent to the top players earnings (as per ZOS stats).
I plan to partake in this for the remainder of the time it's possible, as I have said here and other threads I am tired of sitting back and taking the moral high ground only to watch events happen and gain no reward whilst those who take the easy route do.
I will continue to be open about my practices and post numbers/screenshots each morning reporting what's happening. I will not name or shame any others involved and I fully understand that I am placing myself on the firing line should ZOS change their stance on this.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.Edited by Sanct16 on February 22, 2017 11:09AM- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?1 -
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✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.
No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.
The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.
26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.
74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.
As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.
No data / info on what was done to the exploiters... was anything even done?!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
Before you two start bickering please do me a favour and cut my name from the quote string so I don't get notifications for every post.
Thanks, TBH I normally used to run with EP zergs so never made great AP/h so not 100% on up gains for good groups.@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
What knowledge I have is from high AP gains is from joining -Rob or chatting to him whilst he farmed in small gang.
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ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.
No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.
The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.
26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.
74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.
As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.
No data / info on what was done to the exploiters... was anything even done?!
Yes, they took away AP, this came out like a week or so ago lol.
As for Brian Wheelers statistics, I'm glad he can shed some light on the roleplaying at Bleakers.Edited by Hyodyntaa on February 22, 2017 11:29AM0 -
VoiDGhOs7✭✭✭✭Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
Before you two start bickering please do me a favour and cut my name from the quote string so I don't get notifications for every post.
Thanks, TBH I normally used to run with EP zergs so never made great AP/h so not 100% on up gains for good groups.@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
What knowledge I have is from high AP gains is from joining -Rob or chatting to him whilst he farmed in small gang.
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yamadas✭✭✭Edited by yamadas on February 22, 2017 11:46AMYamadas
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
Before you two start bickering please do me a favour and cut my name from the quote string so I don't get notifications for every post.
Thanks, TBH I normally used to run with EP zergs so never made great AP/h so not 100% on up gains for good groups.@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
What knowledge I have is from high AP gains is from joining -Rob or chatting to him whilst he farmed in small gang.
Sorry was just joking but I guess is not allowed...
Sorry, with how this community is I generally don't manage to read things as jokes any more and people just love a chance to tell their Cyrodiil enemies how much they suck at every chance they get.
Any way will leave this thread to stay on topic.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
It's not 150.000.000 it's 150.000.000 MILLIONAFK Officer of eXile Corp [DC - PC - EU] CP 1000+
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VoiDGhOs7✭✭✭✭@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
It's not 150.000.000 it's 150.000.000 MILLION
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@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
It's not 150.000.000 it's 150.000.000 MILLION
Would just like to say thank you for joining us in our roleplaying at Bleakers. Now that Brian shed some light on our true motives, I hope more Exile members, other than the usual 5-6 hiding around within tick range, will join us and make it a more enjoyable experience.1 -
AdamBourke✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Looking at our data over the 13 days has some information you all may find interesting.
No outposts, keeps, districts, towns or resources since the Black Boot mine change are actually giving players 200k AP per hour. The highest AP earning rate per hour is 120,000-140,000 AP by 2 people, that was done for 1 afternoon, and hasn't been done again since the 9th.
The next highest AP earned per hour is 60-90k which was done by 9 players doing a mixture of keep captures, keep defenses, repairs, killing blows, and assists yielding higher than normal gains. We're digging into more details of those gains and dates.
26% of the PC population is earning between 20-60k per hour which doesn't raise any red flags, since we saw those amounts of gains prior to the Homestead patch. That being said, we are also looking at those numbers to see if they warrant changes to AP gains from all sources in Campaigns.
74% of the PC population is earning between 0-20k AP per hour, which is what qualifies as "normal play" AP gains.
As noted in the initial PTS post about the AP change, we are closely monitoring player behavior both in game and with metrics like those you see here which will determine where we go with AP gains in the future.
This is really interesting...
How long do you keep this sort of information for? ZOS must use up a LOT of storage....PS4 - EU
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Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
It's not 150.000.000 it's 150.000.000 MILLION
Would just like to say thank you for joining us in our roleplaying at Bleakers. Now that Brian shed some light on our true motives, I hope more Exile members, other than the usual 5-6 hiding around within tick range, will join us and make it a more enjoyable experience.
Maybe ill make some time to pay you guys a visit and roleplay griefing mouthy scrubs.AbraXuS
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Honestly it doesn't seem that far off. Novice PvPers don't make a lot of AP. (It took me forever to get my first toom to Major!). They don't know how, and then they either die a lot or end up in a PUG group that makes little AP in the first place and then it gets split a bunch of ways. Getting their Warhorn is a tedious grind.
That is my situation exactly @NBookus ! If you have any tips on how to do better or can point me to a blog post on the subject I would be grateful.
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AbraXuSeXile wrote: »@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
It's not 150.000.000 it's 150.000.000 MILLION
Would just like to say thank you for joining us in our roleplaying at Bleakers. Now that Brian shed some light on our true motives, I hope more Exile members, other than the usual 5-6 hiding around within tick range, will join us and make it a more enjoyable experience.
Maybe ill make some time to pay you guys a visit and roleplay griefing mouthy scrubs.
Please do. You are more than welcome.
In the meantime please watch the following video to get an idea of the endless possibilities at Bleakers.
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VanHalen✭✭✭✭ZOS made a misstake and EU community showed their real face. Gaining AP from killing people is something rude now. And can cause lots of rage. What have you done?
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✭✭✭AbraXuSeXile wrote: »@Turelus
Even with the strongest group you will never be able to get consistent 120k AP/H for a long time due to the diminishing AP gains from repeatedly killing the same player and in big fights you rarely get a "fresh" kill.
How many times you've flipped Black Boot Mine for the 150.000.000 AP?
It's not 150.000.000 it's 150.000.000 MILLION
Would just like to say thank you for joining us in our roleplaying at Bleakers. Now that Brian shed some light on our true motives, I hope more Exile members, other than the usual 5-6 hiding around within tick range, will join us and make it a more enjoyable experience.
Maybe ill make some time to pay you guys a visit and roleplay griefing mouthy scrubs.
Please do. You are more than welcome.
In the meantime please watch the following video to get an idea of the endless possibilities at Bleakers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ahy8p6AYRQ
So a single ZOS employee can't be arsed to log into their mod account, use bracket commands to port to the areas in question (don't forget to put away your pet when you turn invisible since there's a bug where opposing alliance players can attack it atm) and simply look with their own eyes, but these people have time to make a better video than the pre-launch "pvp in massive battles" advert?7
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