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Official Feedback Thread for Poison-Making

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This is the official feedback thread for Poison-Making. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
  • Were you able to successfully and easily find the reagents required for poisons?
  • Did you make any poisons? How did that experience feel overall?
  • If you used poisons, did it feel satisfying?
  • When an active weapon is out of charge and poison (or just broken), you’ll see an indicator appear.
    • Did you find the iconography to be clear and noticeable?
    • Are there any other indicators that you feel would be helpful?
  • Do you have any other general feedback?
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on April 29, 2016 7:37PM
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  • Enodoc
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    Very interested to see the new reagents and what effects they have. I'm assuming that any new negative effects are countered by more new reagents with new positive effects for potions? Is it still possible to create an entirely "bad" potion (using, for example, Emetic Russula and Nirnroot for a "Potion of Ravage Health")? Can you create "beneficial" poisons (for example, combining Columbine and Bugloss with oil to create a Restore Health "poison")?
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  • staracino_ESO
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    Very interested to see the new reagents and what effects they have. I'm assuming that any new negative effects are countered by more new reagents with new positive effects for potions? Is it still possible to create an entirely "bad" potion (using, for example, Emetic Russula and Nirnroot for a "Potion of Ravage Health")? Can you create "beneficial" poisons (for example, combining Columbine and Bugloss with oil to create a Restore Health "poison")?

    To piggyback off of this, if it is possible to make an 'only beneficial' poison, what are the implications for cross-faction griefing in pvp? I.E. I get on my AD character with a tri-resto poison on my white bow (for low damage), and use weak light attacks on my EP friend while he is in combat to act as a healer that cannot be killed by other AD's?
  • tinythinker
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    Very interested to see the new reagents and what effects they have.

    yeah it was neat finding reagents with ? ? ? ? for traits, haven't encountered that in a loooong time
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  • Alanar
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    Feedback for Alchemy - at an Alchemy station the Reagent don't appear to be in any particular order, which makes it hard to find anything. In fact, the order seemed to change when I logged off and logged back in. Maybe they should be alphabetical?
    Edited by Alanar on April 26, 2016 3:34AM
  • Alanar
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    It looks like the reagents (waters and oils) at the alchemy station are still using veteran rank numbers instead of champion point numbers. For example, Alkahest says "Makes a [champion symbol] 15 poison. Should it be "Makes a [champion symbol] 150 poison"?
  • exiledtyrant
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    Were you able to successfully and easily find the reagents required for poisons?

    I didn't gather them the hard way. The crates were very easy to access however.

    Did you make any poisons? How did that experience feel overall?

    I made a lot of poisons. I have never done alchemy so the process was very confusing. After a few failures I finally picked up on the pattern of Poison component + non poison + non poison.

    If you used poisons, did it feel satisfying?

    Poisons felt very good and I found a large portion of the effects to be desirable. I can't really gauge they balance at the moment due to the bugs they have though. I am already considering leveling alchemist from scratch so I can get my hands on them right at launch.

    When an active weapon is out of charge and poison (or just broken), you’ll see an indicator appear.
    Did you find the iconography to be clear and noticeable?

    I didn't notice it at all. I was burning through small 16 group packs over and over not realizing I was out.

    Are there any other indicators that you feel would be helpful?

    Maybe a sound effect like a breaking vial? There are already a lot of weapon glow effect so that could interfere with tracking other abilities. Maybe an icon that flashes above our head like a skull and bones.

    Do you have any other general feedback?

    Poisons are fun but they go quick. It doesn't take a lot of materials to make them however. It would be nice to switch poison on the fly somehow in combat. I am also not sure how poison operate while doing AOE attacks. Will the poison just proc on a random target? Will it hit every target? Will it ignore targets that already have a draining poison on them?
    Edited by exiledtyrant on April 26, 2016 4:13AM
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  • Mr.Hmm
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    umagon wrote: »
    I was able to find some alkahest and made one poison. Also found some beetle scuttle. The equipping them could use a hot key, some poisons I saw on vendors would be nice for one or two attacks but then I would want to use my normal weapon enchantment. Going back into the inventory to change them out or turn them off is cumbersome.

    Maybe add a poison belt slots or something where you can hot key 4 or so poisons. So when you press the button it equips on the weapons you are using then if you press it again it turns the poison application off.

    I agree with the poison belt slots.
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  • silky_soft
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    My main play style is ganking in pvp and I disapprove these poisons. They need to hold the same cooldown as your potion or not belong in pvp at all.
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  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    hrothbern wrote: »
    First of all:

    This Alchemy extension is awesome <3
    Many, many new possibilities

    One point of improvement I see now:
    The Poison states Armor and it should be Physical Resist
    (Since a while Armor Resist is defined as Spell AND Physical Resist)
    see example:
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    Here below some more Poisons AND..... AND new Potions !
    (Poisons made with "Alkahest" oil and the Potions made with the normal Lorkhan's Tears.

    Some new Potions that a Tank could use for self sustain:
    Potions/Poisons made by a Crafter with still base values for Spell/Weapon Power and stats.

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    And some Poisons

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    Wait, so the new regeants can combine with current flowers to make these new potions?!
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  • Darlon
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    Yeah, loads of combinations...
  • umagon
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    The alkahest drops off of trolls if anyone is looking for it. It drops rarely on other npcs but always from trolls. There is a new lore book that talks about the troll fat being used for alchemy.
  • gw2only1b14_ESO
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    hrothbern wrote: »
    First of all:

    This Alchemy extension is awesome <3
    Many, many new possibilities

    One point of improvement I see now:
    The Poison states Armor and it should be Physical Resist
    (Since a while Armor Resist is defined as Spell AND Physical Resist)
    see example:
    k4Z7H8X.jpg?1

    Here below some more Poisons AND..... AND new Potions !
    (Poisons made with "Alkahest" oil and the Potions made with the normal Lorkhan's Tears.

    Some new Potions that a Tank could use for self sustain:
    Potions/Poisons made by a Crafter with still base values for Spell/Weapon Power and stats.

    dq7lwBa.jpg?1

    dJZlimv.jpg?1

    C0QcOwK.jpg?1

    2j1EuQy.jpg?1

    And some Poisons

    QFbMsUj.jpg?1

    Rh9W1jF.jpg?1

    The ravage magika seem nasty
  • elium85
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    Do these work in PvE against Mobs, Dungeons, etc?
  • Darlon
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    These do work in pve. Tried on random mobs in whrothgar.
  • dsalter
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    any idea how long on average each poison works(total uses wise)? and do they work on all weapons? (staffs, bows, etc)
    Edited by dsalter on April 26, 2016 4:09PM
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  • Darlon
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    They do work on all weapons. The magitoxin poison I linked earlier lasts 10secs (is in the description). I used it with a fire staff and it worked. Every time it applies it uses a charge. When crafting you get 12 (I think) per oil/mat with alchemy maxed.
  • Ilsabet
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    Is there an internal cooldown on applying a poison if the target already has the poison effect(s) active? I'd be a waste of charges if the effect lasted 10+ seconds but it was burning a charge every time you fired an attack. You'd end up needing to unequip the poison for 10 seconds, then re-equip it to reapply the effects, which would be impossible without hotkeying and cumbersome with hotkeying.
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  • dsalter
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    only 12 charges? yikes, was expecting at least 30 since light attacks are common place, tho that working on staffs is interesting, very interesting
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  • hrothbern
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    hrothbern wrote: »
    First of all:

    This Alchemy extension is awesome <3
    Many, many new possibilities
    .......//.........

    Wait, so the new regeants can combine with current flowers to make these new potions?!

    Jip @ThatNeonZebraAgain :)

    Here below two very simple brews, made from the same two reagents, an old one and a new one
    The first one with oil as solvent, becoming a Poison
    The second one with a water as solvent, becoming a Potion
    The number of different combinations will be quite big !

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    Edited by hrothbern on April 26, 2016 6:06PM
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  • exiledtyrant
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    The stealth detection poisons may be a bit overkill. With all the new ways to reveal stealth I'm not sure a 10 second duration stealth reveal that also increase cloak cost by 30% is fair.
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    The haze of blossoms

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  • Liofa
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    ''Armor'' poison doesn't increase your Spell Resist sadly . It just steals Major Resolve ( increases physical resistance ) from the enemy and give it to you . I tested it against Trolls in Cyrodiil . No change in Spell Resist . As a DK , I don't have a problem with that but other classes may want that . Armor means both spell and physical resist usually but not this time I guess . It would be very helpful to the players if you make this clear .
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  • Gilliamtherogue
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    I've found some issues with the proc rates of some of the poisons. Mainly the Ravage Health poison that deals a flat damage on a 1 second cool down. The proc rate is extremely inconsistent- sometimes it procs every few hits and sometimes it simply does not proc at all. The charges it goes through is also a bit too fast at the moment, I put in 65 on my weapons and they were consumed in under 5 minutes of testing, despite not dealing damage each consumption.

    It's hard to properly test the ICD of this at the moment as many addons that record Scrolling Text are broken, and the in game SCT does not attribute damage sources to what is dealing them (no name tags saying what each tick's source is).
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