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What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You don't see ZoS scrapping an entire idea? Man, they are scrapping the entire veteran system because people thought it was too hard to level up. >.>
Not before they implemented it in the first place, no.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
No, they choose the most damaging option, scraping it after releasing. Wouldn't it be best to listen critics now and fix the problems? I think so, that is why I am criticizing now... You know... Here... Before the release...
Oh, by the way, I actually think the champion system is fine. My problem is this stupid exception to the rules that ZoS came up with. There is no possible, logical reason to give 30 free champion points to a few select vr1s and there is no reason not to give earned points to players that actually earned points.Edited by Grao on December 30, 2014 5:20PM9 -
Lynnessa✭✭✭✭I still can't see that anyone is really losing anything... you can still do whatever it is you do in the game after these changes, can't you?
I get that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement because of the many hours of "work" they spent playing a game, but it just isn't something I can identify with. (No, that's not an invitation for someone to explain it again. I get it. My mind just doesn't work that way.)7 -
Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭I still can't see that anyone is really losing anything... you can still do whatever it is you do in the game after these changes, can't you?
I get that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement because of the many hours of "work" they spent playing a game, but it just isn't something I can identify with. (No, that's not an invitation for someone to explain it again. I get it. My mind just doesn't work that way.)
When in phase 4 veteran ranks are removed Vr1 player will ends up with 30CP + CP from content(non repeatable) +from killing NPC's + CP from PvP+ repeatable quests.
Vr14 player ends up with 30CP+from killing NPC's+ CP from PvP+ repeatable quests. Vr14 gets no CP from content they completed before phase 3!Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!9 -
Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
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QFT. This so-called "balancing" permanently unbalances all players who have no Veteran characters.I mean, why are they giving 30 CPs to the vr1s? The VR1s haven't earned those points and future VR1s won't get those points.
If they're going to stick with 30 CPs, at least make it a scaled-to cap. 1 CP per 500,000 XP, starting with 1 CP at VR1, up to a cap of 30 CPs.
Brief breakdown:
VR1 +0 XP: 1 CP
VR1 +500,000 XP: 2 CP
VR2 +0 XP: 3 CP
up to
VR14 +500,000 XP: 28 CP
VR14 +1,000,000 XP: 29 CP
VR14 +1,500,000 XP: 30 CP
If they have actually failed at their tracking of XP past VR14, that still gives people 27 CPs for their VR14, plus any more that other Vet characters will have earned from the same scale; a VR 2 would get them to the cap of 30 easily.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭I asked this three questions of a ZoS support. HIs answer follws under the questions.
Why are you giving vr1s that didn't earn any point those 30 free points?
Why not award the earned point to those that earned them already? I mean, ZoS knows the exp required to go from rank to rank, why not award points according to that?
What makes the current Vr1s deserving of 30 points and future vr1s (new players) non-deserving?
Answer:
Unfortunately, those are all design questions, and as I haven't had a hand in the design process I can't tell you why the development team have decided these things. The only point I can make is that I believe the second part about points for ranks will hopefully be addressed in phase 4, assuming that is the point when VRanks are removed.
So, here are my questions for a member of Dev to answer. I doubt they will, but here they are. Oh, one little thing you may not realize reading that answer... If Lloyd is correct about how these champion points we are not getting will be distributed when VRanks are removed those VR1s that got free points now and go on leveling (and earning points while leveling) will gain even more points for free (when their levels are converted). Isn't that nice?2 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭so you do realize we re only mad because we did extra quests that we were told we would get exp that we cant do now....that everyone else can still do ? some of you are still defending that choice on the companies part. its selfish to defend that. i dont care how many champion points i get or anyone else gets.....i just dont want to be at a disadvantage down the road....which we will be in the current system.6
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xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All I'd like to know is can you reset the quests as we can get the xp from discovering and questing again?
Or can we have a couple more character slots for "loyalty" reward or something to give us a couple more characters to quest with?-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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Sindala✭✭✭✭✭It's ok Gina, i'll go ahead and answer this one for you.
No.
and......No.
Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.2 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh, I'm fairly certain that 1. they aren't going to answer any of my questions (from this post or the last in this thread) straight or at all and 2. the answer to those would be anything but no. They really don't care how unfair this is to those of us that have earned 13m (x however many vet characters) that we cannot re-earn. It's an amplified version of what happened with undaunted passives and a couple other roll-outs they did in the past.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh, I'm fairly certain that 1. they aren't going to answer any of my questions (from this post or the last in this thread) straight or at all and 2. the answer to those would be anything but no. They really don't care how unfair this is to those of us that have earned 13m (x however many vet characters) that we cannot re-earn. It's an amplified version of what happened with undaunted passives and a couple other roll-outs they did in the past.
Yup. they don't learn from past mistakes.
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XGP✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.10 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Oh, where did youi read about new content being released? Cause update 1.6 has no new content.. It doesn't even have a new dungeon for us to toy with! It is purely a system update, changes to skills, etc. No playable content.
Next playable content should be released on update 1.7... In about 5 months.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.4 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.5 -
XGP✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.5 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.
Heh... I am sorc, I know your pain. Everything I do will change in this patch.New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That is not playable content pal. The justice system has a few quests, but they are like dailies, not a story.
As for the Champion System, that is a system only change... No quests at all.
No new dungeons on this update, adventure zone, advances on PvP, new trials. Nothing that passes for end game playable content.Edited by Grao on December 30, 2014 9:45PM3 -
XGP✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.
Heh... I am sorc, I know your pain. Everything I do will change in this patch.New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That is not playable content pal. The justice system has a few quests, but they are like dailies, not a story.
As for the Champion System, that is a system only change... No quests at all.
No new dungeons on this update, adventure zone, advances on PvP, new trials. Nothing that passes for end game playable content.
The champion and justice system are new content. How could you not know that. anything that adds change to a game is new content.
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.
Heh... I am sorc, I know your pain. Everything I do will change in this patch.New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That is not playable content pal. The justice system has a few quests, but they are like dailies, not a story.
As for the Champion System, that is a system only change... No quests at all.
No new dungeons on this update, adventure zone, advances on PvP, new trials. Nothing that passes for end game playable content.
The champion and justice system are new content. How could you not know that. anything that adds change to a game is new content.
Do you even understand what Playable Content means? The Champion System is not a playable content... It is a bunch of little passives you will add points to and then forget about it. And the justice system is on the early phase of implementation, which means the world wide PvP that is what we are all looking forward to is not coming yet. We will get some quests that are a lot like dailies and guards in the towns for when you accidentally try entering a locked room or click something on the vendor's table cause you forgot it is now considered a crime.5 -
XGP✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.6 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises they can obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.Edited by Inklings on December 30, 2014 10:11PM6 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...5 -
XGP✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises to obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.
are you trying to validate you're game time and want to get rewared for playing somthing u pay for? even if they promised or not we are all still getting 30CP to make things even regardless. come people grind to vet 14 some actualy finish the whole game. But there are still a huge HUGE amount of dailys to do mobs to kill to gain EXP.
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XGP✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
Also pick pockting and robing house with selling to fence to the thiefves guild is still playable content
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm confused. For those complaining about not getting more CP, were you only leveling to VR14 because of the extra CP? If they didn't say anything at all about keeping track of exp a few months ago, would you have stopped leveling at VR1?
A VR14 is not losing anything compared to a VR1. While they're questing, you can be grinding or doing dailies or dungeons or whatever the heck you want, and you'll get CP just as fast as them (probably faster.) Even if you're staunchly against grinding, Undaunted dailies, PvP dailies, PvP in general, Craglorn, and dungeons, and the only thing you want to do are non-repeatable quests, you can level an alt to VR1, because CP is account-wide. You can even get one by the time 1.6 drops.
So really, what's the problem? Either continue what you've been doing or level an alt. You'll get CP at the same rate either way.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
And people don't understand why no one official wants to say ANYTHING until it is officially official and chiseled into granite in letters a foot deep.
Every time they update information on systems that are still being tested and are still subject to change, people get angry over information that, while it was "official", wasn't final and, surprise, was changed after more work showed issues.5 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭
perhaps i should have made it clearer for @XGP , while technically the champion system and justice system can be called content . We do not know what playable content for the justice system will actually make it to live , that depends on feedback during the PTS period . As for the champion system there is no new non repeatable content coming with it .DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
nobody knows if there will be any repeatable content released with the justice system or if any that is released will also provide progression in the champion system for level capped players .
Progression in the champion system is for level capped characters only , and they have not announced any new end game playable content (no new dungeons , zones , or quests for level capped characters).1 -
XGP✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »
perhaps i should have made it clearer for @XGP , while technically the champion system and justice system can be called content . We do not know what playable content for the justice system will actually make it to live , that depends on feedback during the PTS period . As for the champion system there is no new non repeatable content coming with it .DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
nobody knows if there will be any repeatable content released with the justice system or if any that is released will also provide progression in the champion system for level capped players .
Progression in the champion system is for level capped characters only , and they have not announced any new end game playable content (no new dungeons , zones , or quests for level capped characters).
the champion system is a new leveling system so it does count towards the bridge for end game content. It's just the first phase we will all test it on PTS regardless. But you're general sence of content is not evryones DEFINITION of CONTENT.
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✭I have a VR12, VR 4 and a VR 3 and I'm not bothered in the slightest that I'm getting the same amount of CP as a VR1 because I've enjoyed the time I've played and the story lines I've completed and skyshards I've gained.
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