Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

Zlater

Wolfahm wrote: »

O i see your point....

Haha I can't believe someone actually died to overload.
I'm sorry if that person sees my post, dieing to spell projectiles like this is pretty embarrassing, especially something as obvious as overload. Every class has counters to spell projectiles, if you don't want to use that you can also consider S&B or heck even dodge and evasion.

Master_Kas

Zlater wrote: »

Wolfahm wrote: »

O i see your point....

Haha I can't believe someone actually died to overload.
I'm sorry if that person sees my post, dieing to spell projectiles like this is pretty embarrassing, especially something as obvious as overload. Every class has counters to spell projectiles, if you don't want to use that you can also consider S&B or heck even dodge and evasion.

Not if they are outnumbered Which is mainly when shieldbreaker becomes a problem.

In 1v1's shieldbreaker don't seem to be that big of an issue.

Derra

Master_Kas wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

Wolfahm wrote: »

O i see your point....

Haha I can't believe someone actually died to overload.
I'm sorry if that person sees my post, dieing to spell projectiles like this is pretty embarrassing, especially something as obvious as overload. Every class has counters to spell projectiles, if you don't want to use that you can also consider S&B or heck even dodge and evasion.

Not if they are outnumbered Which is mainly when shieldbreaker becomes a problem.

In 1v1's shieldbreaker don't seem to be that big of an issue.

Overload is basically the same cheese 1button spam i win move when you´re outnumbering an opponent as shieldbreaker is.

But hey don´t nerf my overload - it´s nice to have 5 extra class ability slots (irony intended).

DeanTheCat

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

Wolfahm wrote: »

O i see your point....

Haha I can't believe someone actually died to overload.
I'm sorry if that person sees my post, dieing to spell projectiles like this is pretty embarrassing, especially something as obvious as overload. Every class has counters to spell projectiles, if you don't want to use that you can also consider S&B or heck even dodge and evasion.

Not if they are outnumbered Which is mainly when shieldbreaker becomes a problem.

In 1v1's shieldbreaker don't seem to be that big of an issue.

Overload is basically the same cheese 1button spam i win move when you´re outnumbering an opponent as shieldbreaker is.

But hey don´t nerf my overload - it´s nice to have 5 extra class ability slots.

You know @Derra, when I opened this thread to look at the latest posts, I can't help but feel a sense of Deja Vu when I see your post.

I think it's because the same argument has been used, both for and against pretty much every single ability in the game that people like to complain about. Been noticing a ton of patterns the past few months of me lurking here (Because the forums is just about the only type of PvP I get when I'm not at home). Same arguments, same counter-arguments, same complaints. Different time, different ability, different place.

Derra

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

Wolfahm wrote: »

O i see your point....

Haha I can't believe someone actually died to overload.
I'm sorry if that person sees my post, dieing to spell projectiles like this is pretty embarrassing, especially something as obvious as overload. Every class has counters to spell projectiles, if you don't want to use that you can also consider S&B or heck even dodge and evasion.

Not if they are outnumbered Which is mainly when shieldbreaker becomes a problem.

In 1v1's shieldbreaker don't seem to be that big of an issue.

Overload is basically the same cheese 1button spam i win move when you´re outnumbering an opponent as shieldbreaker is.

But hey don´t nerf my overload - it´s nice to have 5 extra class ability slots.

You know @Derra, when I opened this thread to look at the latest posts, I can't help but feel a sense of Deja Vu when I see your post.

I think it's because the same argument has been used, both for and against pretty much every single ability in the game that people like to complain about. Been noticing a ton of patterns the past few months of me lurking here (Because the forums is just about the only type of PvP I get when I'm not at home). Same arguments, same counter-arguments, same complaints. Different time, different ability, different place.

Oh the statement on overload was a little ironic. I´ve made a post when 1.6 was on pts i think that i would love for overload to be something like soul harvest/incap strike. High DMG medium to low cost 1 time use ulti. Maybe AOE or another effect associated with it.
You could already see back than how broken overload was.

The same is true for shieldbreaker now in this context. It removes skill from the game. You can only flee once you encounter two semi competent ppl running this set even if you slot heals.

I´m all for nerfing/fixing overpowered things or bringin them to the same level. If an opponent can kill you with spam of the left mouse button then there is something wrong with the mechanic enabling him to do so.

#nerfoverload #fixshieldbreaker #givevaiblecloakcountersformagicabuilds #removestackedshields #giverestostaffagoodinstantheal #buffgdb #adjustbolspam #makeS&Badefensiveweaponset

Atleast that´s what i have in my mind in terms of imbalanced when thinking for ~20 seconds.

Wreuntzylla

adASX

Zlater wrote: »

Wolfahm wrote: »

O i see your point....

Haha I can't believe someone actually died to overload.
I'm sorry if that person sees my post, dieing to spell projectiles like this is pretty embarrassing, especially something as obvious as overload. Every class has counters to spell projectiles, if you don't want to use that you can also consider S&B or heck even dodge and evasion.

I don't know how you are using overload, but I use it at point blank range...

Erudition

Wolfahm wrote: »

If you as a stacking sorc die to only shield breaker in a 1v1 you need to l2p... A single HOT can almost negate it. I have tried shield breaker set myself and any sorc with a brain stem can counter it... The only time it can kill someone with nothing but breaker spam is vs a sorc whose only reaction to being damaged is to put on another shield.. I have witnessed a sorc try and reapply a shield 8 yes 8! times well standing still and not fighting back these are the only kinds of people shield breaker works on and imo the only people on here crying for a shield breaker nerf.

If you really think that you need to L2P. My guess is you know better and are being a troll.

tennotsukai87

I'm really worried about this shield breaker set. I'm a magicka sorc. When it's just me vs 2 others, both with shield breaker sets, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Even if I set a healing spell, I can't really do anything to overcome the damage. Not utilizing a shield just gets me boned since I wear light armor. I even use boundless storm, which that doesn't seem to help all that much. I've tried putting health set bonuses on me and not using shields. Guess what, doesn't help. The only thing I can think of is to wear more heavy gear, which I just came off of, because I lacked magicka regeneration. Can anyone think of anything I can do instead of L2P? Something constructive...or is this really just a broken element in the game? Are we ever going to receive feedback for this?

Sharee

tennotsukai87 wrote: »

I'm really worried about this shield breaker set. I'm a magicka sorc. When it's just me vs 2 others, both with shield breaker sets, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Even if I set a healing spell, I can't really do anything to overcome the damage. Not utilizing a shield just gets me boned since I wear light armor. I even use boundless storm, which that doesn't seem to help all that much. I've tried putting health set bonuses on me and not using shields. Guess what, doesn't help. The only thing I can think of is to wear more heavy gear, which I just came off of, because I lacked magicka regeneration. Can anyone think of anything I can do instead of L2P? Something constructive...or is this really just a broken element in the game? Are we ever going to receive feedback for this?

That's kinda like my stamina DK facing two radiant destruction templars. Neither of my two main defenses(roll dodge, reflective scale) works against them. I can interrupt one, the other burns me to a crisp.Tough luck. You win some, you lose some.

Xeven

LOL!

Saltypretzels

tennotsukai87 wrote: »

I'm really worried about this shield breaker set. I'm a magicka sorc. When it's just me vs 2 others, both with shield breaker sets, there is absolutely nothing I can do.

Unless you are awesome, in general 1v2 always results in death for the 1. Not sure why you are complaining here.

At least for dragonknights, which I know well. If that isn't true for sorcs, well, it should be.

Angarato

omg 2 people that run a 5 set bonus just to counter you can beat you! NERF

Lucky28

Saltypretzels wrote: »

tennotsukai87 wrote: »

I'm really worried about this shield breaker set. I'm a magicka sorc. When it's just me vs 2 others, both with shield breaker sets, there is absolutely nothing I can do.

Unless you are awesome, in general 1v2 always results in death for the 1. Not sure why you are complaining here.

At least for dragonknights, which I know well. If that isn't true for sorcs, well, it should be.

It ultimately comes to who can manage their resources better. I've seen 1vX a couple times, from what i've seen in game (not vids) i've seen Krotha (DK) and Meth (sorc) take on multiple people. tho Meth is awe inspiring lol.

tennotsukai87

Yes, there are a lot of unskilled players in this game. Nontheless, I have won most 1v2s I come across; 1v3 and 1v4 wins also have occurred, but I'm sure a lackadaisical player wouldn't believe that. It's not that I'm a sorc or anything. I just play more, ask questions, and do my research. I wasn't stating, "omfg, nerf this crap Z;" however, if I saw a nerf to this mage killer set, I'd be rather pleased.

I'm really just wanting some constructive ideas of what I can do. Maybe others have encountered the same thing and could tell me their strats.

Nivzruo_ESO

Angarato wrote: »

omg 2 people that run a 5 set bonus just to counter you can beat you! NERF

Yea.. everyone is missing that it takes a 2 people using a 5 piece bonus for this to work lolz... you guys.

Tankqull

Xeven wrote: »

LOL!

hmm 858 every 2secs vs 2100 dmg every 0.8-0.6sec whats more effective ... hmmm ... i

Darnathian

Tankqull wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

LOL!

hmm 858 every 2secs vs 2100 dmg every 0.8-0.6sec whats more effective ... hmmm ... i

That's on top of what you already have. That plus a drink and one HOT will take care of that easy.

KundaliniHero

The Shield breaker set reeks of a lazy attempt to cater to inexperienced players. The writing is on the wall with this one, don't be surprised if you see light armor that can not only detect but do similar type of damage to cloaked targets. But that's what happens when you give the reigns to the power hungry ego's of players. I remember when I played WoW how the dev team pretty much ignored the players and implemented balance based on their game testers rather than tears in a forum, no matter how hard you poured the whine, they implemented balance at their own leisure; that was its own kind of excess where as here it is the opposite. A good player, much as in life is able to effectively use the tools they are given to overcome their weaknesses, whilst bad players are a genuine carousel of complaints, they are like pigeons, once you give into their whim and feed them dont be surprised when they come back looking for more and guess what its never enough. The takeaway here is that ZOS needs a better game testing department to properly analyze class balance on the ground floor.

Omgwtfbbq321

Up the damage of shield breaker, remove range. (My two cents)

bowmanz607

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Hey why don't you idk cc them or break los. Simply standing there while someone spams s light attack on you is just crazy. Try reacting rather than standing.

Omgwtfbbq321

Well, if we had something like Fear, maybe. But other than the 1.5 second stun from streak, the only other hard CC is rune prison (&morphs). As soon as the target takes any damage or breaks free they are out again and we are back to stage 1.

Its much easier to jump around firing light attacks from a distance than to actually get out of the way, sometimes there is just no cover. You only need about 7-10 light attacks to kill some sorcerers out there.

So much power comes from a set that requires:

• No need to waste a slot on your bars.
• no cost of magika or stamina to use.
• no need to grind or hours in alliance war to unlock skill lines.
• No need to continuously grind for herbs to make potions.
• No cool down on effect.
• No need to get in close or do anything really but point at your target from a distance.

I think if it were a shield breaker potion, there wouldn't be anywhere near the amount of arguments. I mean grind a few Tel Var stones and your set, its easy.

bowmanz607

well you guys heard wrobel. conversation over!

Xeven

bowmanz607 wrote: »

well you guys heard wrobel. conversation over!

That's not what he said.

kaalmoth

Angarato wrote: »

omg 2 people that run a 5 set bonus just to counter you can beat you! NERF

I don't get it, you never wish you can win against the odds?
I lose some 1V1, I win some 2v1, it depends of my/their skills, my/their mistakes, but it shouldn't depend only on overpowered light attacks.
any other powerfull set got a CD or a chance on hit, this one is just terribly designed.

CP5

Xeven wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

well you guys heard wrobel. conversation over!

That's not what he said.

Thankfully he said they would look at using skills to balance issues in the games meta, rather than take an easy way out by giving people the ability to just wear some armor and turn an entire system on its head.

kaalmoth

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

omg 2 people that run a 5 set bonus just to counter you can beat you! NERF

Yea.. everyone is missing that it takes a 2 people using a 5 piece bonus for this to work lolz... you guys.

actually 1 out of 2 is enough to *** your build

bowmanz607

Xeven wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

well you guys heard wrobel. conversation over!

That's not what he said.

my point is that he basically said that they are not changing the set and is just as polarizing a set as the blocking nerf. Therefore, although they are looking at other things to do in the future instead of such polarizing sets, they are not doing anything to this set.

PeggymoeXD

So I took about a 5 month break from this game. I came back, got v16, and my guildies who still play hooked me up with 5 pc shield breaker and 3 piece agility to start me off so im not still rocking my old v14 stuff.

The first sorc I faced, I felt dirty for how easy it was to beat him. I run 2h/bow, as I always have, and just couldn't dps through the dmg shield the way I normally would. So resorted to spamming left click like it was nobody's business. It finished him off and I ran along to be brutally ganked by a NB. I then faced a dk running a similar build as me and he also killed me. I'm a little rusty because of how long I've been gone, but my point being, yeah. SB seems like the answer to the "shield stacking like the roman army sorc." But it's meh when it comes to other classes who don't use shields. I would much rather have something to boost my hp and stam and that's probably what I'll work towards.

akredon_ESO

o.O most good sorcs i have been fighting with Siege breaker just have restro staff on their second bar throw up mutagen and its pretty much makes its useless

Lokey0024

Make it 100% more dmg to shields, remove the 2150 unresistable. Still breaks shields and requires more then spamming shields or light attacks to counter. Imo this set isnt really an issue on console so much from a lack of tab targeting and how easy sorcs can just outrange or just get LoS easier.