Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

Sharee

Derra wrote: »

Let me assure you if you shields to mitigate dmg with armor an spellresist you´re going to have a hell of a bad time against heavy armor sorcerers.

Not really. Currently a shield makes the sorc ignore 40% of my damage 60% of the time. That's one hell of mitigation. That's basically a 25% damage reduction. If shields lost crit immunity, but gained armor mitigation, my damage against them would go up significantly.

Against heavy armor shields, i would do slightly less damage, but what makes shields so good as defense is the ability to spam-cast them. Heavy armor does not have the sustain needed for that.

Soulac

After testing this set over two days I don't feel like it's really helping in duels or 1vX. On the other hand it's really strong if you play with more people, but I don't need Shield breaker then.
I'd rather see something like 40% additional dmg on shields, to actually destroy them.

Johngo0036

I ran into a guy using shield breaker this weekend,

WHAT IS THAT DAMN AWEFULL noise was my first reaction,
Oh crap i am dead......
LOL

Death Recap..............
Shield breaker...... OOOOH!!!

Nivzruo_ESO

L2P, slot a heal noob cakes.

Maulkin

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

L2P, slot a heal noob cakes.

Looking for a heal on my class skills and resto line......

Error 404 No heal found

Seth_Black

LOL!

Keep cryin'

Bunch of FACTS:
1. Everyone was crying about shield stacking players
2. That's pretty nice and tricky solution and requires from all shield stackers to re-think their gameplay.
3. In general this provides more variety in PvP for possible builds attacks and counter attacks.
4. Tricky part comes when you need to UNDERSTAND how it works.
5. Shield breaker works ONLY for DAMAGE SHIELDS
6. It means only MAGIC SHIELD will be penetrated.
7. There's bunch of ways to avoid that damage (Evasion?)
8. It doesn't work on immovable.
9. For dummies:
- if your HP bar is 'covered' with blue 'shield' (shielded hp) you will get nuked with shield breaker
- if your HP bar has black or yellow/gold frame around it it's the other type of shield that breaker CAN'T pen

...pretty simple

Stop crying and get more CREATIVE

P.S. GJ ZOS!

Kova

Seth_Black wrote: »

LOL!

Keep cryin'

Bunch of FACTS:
1. Everyone was crying about shield stacking players
2. That's pretty nice and tricky solution and requires from all shield stackers to re-think their gameplay.
3. In general this provides more variety in PvP for possible builds attacks and counter attacks.
4. Tricky part comes when you need to UNDERSTAND how it works.
5. Shield breaker works ONLY for DAMAGE SHIELDS
6. It means only MAGIC SHIELD will be penetrated.
7. There's bunch of ways to avoid that damage (Evasion?)
8. It doesn't work on immovable.
9. For dummies:
- if your HP bar is 'covered' with blue 'shield' (shielded hp) you will get nuked with shield breaker
- if your HP bar has black or yellow/gold frame around it it's the other type of shield that breaker CAN'T pen

...pretty simple

Stop crying and get more CREATIVE

P.S. GJ ZOS!

Um...it works on mist form, and on the potion proc passive that grants you a shield, and whitestrake set as well, and anything that gives you a shield as a bonus, and barrier. 5,6,9 are not true

1, 3, 7, and 8 are the only "Facts." The rest are opinions.

EDIT: wait, forgot the condescending emoji

CP5

Kova wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

LOL!

Keep cryin'

Bunch of FACTS:
1. Everyone was crying about shield stacking players
2. That's pretty nice and tricky solution and requires from all shield stackers to re-think their gameplay.
3. In general this provides more variety in PvP for possible builds attacks and counter attacks.
4. Tricky part comes when you need to UNDERSTAND how it works.
5. Shield breaker works ONLY for DAMAGE SHIELDS
6. It means only MAGIC SHIELD will be penetrated.
7. There's bunch of ways to avoid that damage (Evasion?)
8. It doesn't work on immovable.
9. For dummies:
- if your HP bar is 'covered' with blue 'shield' (shielded hp) you will get nuked with shield breaker
- if your HP bar has black or yellow/gold frame around it it's the other type of shield that breaker CAN'T pen

...pretty simple

Stop crying and get more CREATIVE

P.S. GJ ZOS!

Um...it works on mist form, and on the potion proc passive that grants you a shield, and whitestrake set as well, and anything that gives you a shield as a bonus, and barrier. 5,6,9 are not true

1, 3, 7, and 8 are the only "Facts." The rest are opinions.

EDIT: wait, forgot the condescending emoji

Good luck trying to say things like that. Some people are so 'heavily focused' on getting revenge on their oh so hated enemies that anyone who doesn't like the set just must be one and is therefore lazy or greedy. Its not like damage shields are an incredibly common defense buff in this game, or that there are an insane number of ways to even passively get them. but sure, some people in the community will be raving about this set, bet they'll love it when ZOS adds more armor sets designed to counter other particular skills.

Sharee

Kova wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

LOL!

Keep cryin'

Bunch of FACTS:
1. Everyone was crying about shield stacking players
2. That's pretty nice and tricky solution and requires from all shield stackers to re-think their gameplay.
3. In general this provides more variety in PvP for possible builds attacks and counter attacks.
4. Tricky part comes when you need to UNDERSTAND how it works.
5. Shield breaker works ONLY for DAMAGE SHIELDS
6. It means only MAGIC SHIELD will be penetrated.
7. There's bunch of ways to avoid that damage (Evasion?)
8. It doesn't work on immovable.
9. For dummies:
- if your HP bar is 'covered' with blue 'shield' (shielded hp) you will get nuked with shield breaker
- if your HP bar has black or yellow/gold frame around it it's the other type of shield that breaker CAN'T pen

...pretty simple

Stop crying and get more CREATIVE

P.S. GJ ZOS!

Um...it works on mist form, and on the potion proc passive that grants you a shield, and whitestrake set as well, and anything that gives you a shield as a bonus, and barrier. 5,6,9 are not true

1, 3, 7, and 8 are the only "Facts." The rest are opinions.

EDIT: wait, forgot the condescending emoji

Mist form is not a shield. You will only get hit by shieldbreaker while in mistform if you also happen to have a damage shield on you at the same time.

Septimus_Magna

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

L2P, slot a heal noob cakes.

You mean slotting Hardened Ward, Rapid Regen, Illustrious Healing AND Blessing of Restoration just to survive the shieldbreaker light attack unresistable damage procs?

Seems fair, its only 80% of my defensive skill bar..

Seth_Black

Kova wrote: »

Um...it works on mist form, and on the potion proc passive that grants you a shield, and whitestrake set as well, and anything that gives you a shield as a bonus, and barrier. 5,6,9 are not true

1, 3, 7, and 8 are the only "Facts." The rest are opinions.

EDIT: wait, forgot the condescending emoji

You didn't read 'for dummies' part properly plus everything stated WAS tested ...so nice try, but you failed anyway
'Reading with understanding ...rare skill today'

Lava_Croft

At least my options regarding which skills to slot are a lot easier to manage thanks to this set.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

L2P, slot a heal noob cakes.

You mean slotting Hardened Ward, Rapid Regen, Illustrious Healing AND Blessing of Restoration just to survive the shieldbreaker light attack unresistable damage procs?

Seems fair, its only 80% of my defensive skill bar..

I know another funny one:

Shield Breaker was added because Stamina builds had such trouble breaking through enemy shields.

ToRelax

Seth_Black wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Um...it works on mist form, and on the potion proc passive that grants you a shield, and whitestrake set as well, and anything that gives you a shield as a bonus, and barrier. 5,6,9 are not true

1, 3, 7, and 8 are the only "Facts." The rest are opinions.

EDIT: wait, forgot the condescending emoji

You didn't read 'for dummies' part properly plus everything stated WAS tested ...so nice try, but you failed anyway
'Reading with understanding ...rare skill today'

How did you test that everyone was crying about shield stackers... O_o

CP5

ToRelax wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Um...it works on mist form, and on the potion proc passive that grants you a shield, and whitestrake set as well, and anything that gives you a shield as a bonus, and barrier. 5,6,9 are not true

1, 3, 7, and 8 are the only "Facts." The rest are opinions.

EDIT: wait, forgot the condescending emoji

You didn't read 'for dummies' part properly plus everything stated WAS tested ...so nice try, but you failed anyway
'Reading with understanding ...rare skill today'

How did you test that everyone was crying about shield stackers... O_o

I wasn't, therefore not everyone was. "Fact" disproven.

Derra

Sharee wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Let me assure you if you shields to mitigate dmg with armor an spellresist you´re going to have a hell of a bad time against heavy armor sorcerers.

Not really. Currently a shield makes the sorc ignore 40% of my damage 60% of the time. That's one hell of mitigation. That's basically a 25% damage reduction. If shields lost crit immunity, but gained armor mitigation, my damage against them would go up significantly.

Against heavy armor shields, i would do slightly less damage, but what makes shields so good as defense is the ability to spam-cast them. Heavy armor does not have the sustain needed for that.

This is where you´re wrong. I´m currently sitting at 18k armor on a light armor sorc. I could push that easily to about 25k. Even if you´d pierce about 10k armor i´d still be left with about 25% mitigation. It´s a scenario where you can´t win.

Edit: On top of that: If i´d be lucky to have shields with mitigation i´d just be using the armor master set and run around with capped resists in light armor and laugh my ass off.

Sharee

Derra wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Let me assure you if you shields to mitigate dmg with armor an spellresist you´re going to have a hell of a bad time against heavy armor sorcerers.

Not really. Currently a shield makes the sorc ignore 40% of my damage 60% of the time. That's one hell of mitigation. That's basically a 25% damage reduction. If shields lost crit immunity, but gained armor mitigation, my damage against them would go up significantly.

Against heavy armor shields, i would do slightly less damage, but what makes shields so good as defense is the ability to spam-cast them. Heavy armor does not have the sustain needed for that.

This is where you´re wrong. I´m currently sitting at 18k armor on a light armor sorc. I could push that easily to about 25k. Even if you´d pierce about 10k armor i´d still be left with about 25% mitigation. It´s a scenario where you can´t win.

18k is impressive for light armor, i assume that's with a buff? My full heavy armor DK has 19K with a 2-hander(without a buff tho)

Anyway, if i hit your 18k with a mark/SA down to 13K, then you are left with ~20% mitigation, assuming i have no points in pierce. So still a gain compared to shields being crit immune.

tist

It's only OP when you get 2+ users spamming it on a shield user. Especially with harness magicka on because the shield will not drop from wep dmg and youll basically get hammered. The set in general is just bad design, why make a set bonus that hard counters one class? How about a 5 piece bonus that does 50% more damage to users in stealth? Bad, bad, bad..

Sharee

tist wrote: »

It's only OP when you get 2+ users spamming it on a shield user. Especially with harness magicka on because the shield will not drop from wep dmg and youll basically get hammered. The set in general is just bad design, why make a set bonus that hard counters one class? How about a 5 piece bonus that does 50% more damage to users in stealth? Bad, bad, bad..

Actually...

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentry+Set

Maulkin

Sharee wrote: »

tist wrote: »

It's only OP when you get 2+ users spamming it on a shield user. Especially with harness magicka on because the shield will not drop from wep dmg and youll basically get hammered. The set in general is just bad design, why make a set bonus that hard counters one class? How about a 5 piece bonus that does 50% more damage to users in stealth? Bad, bad, bad..

Actually...

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentry+Set

Out of curiosity, does that apply to invisible player too? Cause ofc stealth and invisibility are two separate states.

Sharee

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

tist wrote: »

It's only OP when you get 2+ users spamming it on a shield user. Especially with harness magicka on because the shield will not drop from wep dmg and youll basically get hammered. The set in general is just bad design, why make a set bonus that hard counters one class? How about a 5 piece bonus that does 50% more damage to users in stealth? Bad, bad, bad..

Actually...

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentry+Set

Out of curiosity, does that apply to invisible player too? Cause ofc stealth and invisibility are two separate states.

Honestly, no idea. But it does say 'sneaking', so i assume crouched.

tist

I would actually use that if it was a magicka set. Big curses on nbs

DeanTheCat

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

tist wrote: »

It's only OP when you get 2+ users spamming it on a shield user. Especially with harness magicka on because the shield will not drop from wep dmg and youll basically get hammered. The set in general is just bad design, why make a set bonus that hard counters one class? How about a 5 piece bonus that does 50% more damage to users in stealth? Bad, bad, bad..

Actually...

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentry+Set

Out of curiosity, does that apply to invisible player too? Cause ofc stealth and invisibility are two separate states.

It does

Also increases the effectiveness of Radiant Magelight and Detection Potions. I use that set on one of my "Stealth Tracker" builds that I occasionally run when I get bored of my normal sets.

ishilb14_ESO

Xeven wrote: »

This is not my screenshot. I do have a similar experience though. I was decimated from a balcony. Never even saw my attacker. Was half dead before I even realised I was getting hit.

Awesome.

2k damage a hit, just heal yourself bro

unless of course you're a sorc dual wielding swords, in which case I should report you for ruining my immersion since casters should be using staves

Master_Kas

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

L2P, slot a heal noob cakes.

You mean slotting Hardened Ward, Rapid Regen, Illustrious Healing AND Blessing of Restoration just to survive the shieldbreaker light attack unresistable damage procs?

Seems fair, its only 80% of my defensive skill bar..

Just as fair as a skill easy counterable skill like cloak soon has a inc nerf on it.

Atleast this is a 5pc piece set you have to use.

Slot some heals

Kova

Sharee wrote: »

Mist form is not a shield. You will only get hit by shieldbreaker while in mistform if you also happen to have a damage shield on you at the same time.

Thanks for the clarification. I don't want to spread misinformation.

Omgwtfbbq321

A few things I don't understand in this post:

• Out heal shield beaker? I can’t find any healing that comes close to 2,400 a second. (Damage I seem to take from SB)
• Shield stacking being that hard to counter? If the player has huge shields, they have no health or stamina, knock them down, they die easy.
• Sorcs need to stop spamming shield? If their shield is big, then their health/stamina are small. Once knocked down or feared, we cant recast ward and cant break out more than maybe twice, easy death.

People seem to forget:

• - having lots of health and good armor means high damage wont intsta kill you, and you get the benefit of resistance from armor. This also means you can focus on attack and not warding.
• If you have all/mostly light armor and low health, you do get insta killed from high damage, unless you cast shield, which has no mitigation and drops almost instantly anyway forcing a recast. Meaning you aren't *** damage to the enemy and will eventually die from resource depletion.

Any suggestions only dealing with shield breaker? Keeping in mind I have 14k health in cyrodill, I get dropped from SB within a few seconds. Adding health means lowering ward effectiveness, and magika pool. This will just result in my dying from everything else almost instantly, instead of just SB.

Cheers.

Omgwtfbbq321

doing*** not sure why that got blocked out...

Sharee

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

Sorcs need to stop spamming shield? If their shield is big, then their health/stamina are small. Once knocked down or feared, we cant recast ward and cant break out more than maybe twice, easy death.

You can break out as many times as you want.

CC breaking gives you 8 seconds of CC immunity. During this immunity, you will get 4 ticks of stamina regen. You only need ~900 stamina regen(less if you use potions) to be able to CC break indefinitely, because your stamina will regen all that has been used on the last CC break before you need to CC break again.

Omgwtfbbq321

This is what confuses me, I get knocked down multiple times, sometimes after just getting up (using stamina to break). I have been feared, break free into fear again, followed by death. I have not noticed much of a cool down. I see the circles around my feet, and that doesn't seem to mean much.

Sharee

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

This is what confuses me, I get knocked down multiple times, sometimes after just getting up (using stamina to break). I have been feared, break free into fear again, followed by death. I have not noticed much of a cool down. I see the circles around my feet, and that doesn't seem to mean much.

The only way to get knocked down multiple times is when you do not break out of the first knockdown (because the automatical immunity you get when you recover from the first knockdown is sometimes applied a split second too late).

If you break free, you get 8 seconds of immunity everytime (or at least i never saw any evidence that break free wouldn't grant immunity). If you break free from fear you can get feared again in 8 seconds, but not before that.

I know i often felt like i was feared twice in a row too fast, but everytime i viewed the recording, there was indeed 8 seconds between. I suggest you record your fights as well and review what happened later(Nvidia shadowplay continuously records the last 5 mins of your game, and you can save the clip at any time)