Not just weaving. It is as if the lag is so bad now that you can't even block too.

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Please do not fix this. I stopped playing at Murkmire as it became impossible to compete in end game content as every man [Snip] demanded 100K DPS which is borderline impossible for us Oceanic players who sit on 200-300 ping. Weaving was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I have been looking to return but with the mechanics still catering to low ping players..

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As a EU player I have no problem hitting, the same dps number on PTS(with 200-30ms ping), as on EU(60-100ms ping). Specially weaving feels often better on PTS than on EU. The ping is noticable but, but you can easly compensat for that. I don't now how bad it is in pvp thought.

I am so disappointed that today's upcoming hotfix will not include a fix corresponding to this bug.

I don't think ZOS is realizing how this bug is critical to pve players

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Please do not fix this. I stopped playing at Murkmire as it became impossible to compete in end game content as every man [Snip] demanded 100K DPS which is borderline impossible for us Oceanic players who sit on 200-300 ping. Weaving was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I have been looking to return but with the mechanics still catering to low ping players..

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DPS commies want equality of parse for uneven work. Smh my helmet!

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ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Lol at the amount of players here who think Light attack weaving being bugged is somehow going to help them be better at the game. ZOS listening to these people has utterly destroyed a good game in the course of about 2 years.

Listening to the insecure, toxic player base has been destroying this game for years.

Yes, that applies to the anti-animation cancellers who have been playing a game with systems they despised for 6+ years now and insist that what has been officially recognized as a game feature - regardless of when - is a bug.

Quit spreading propaganda to support your narrative. They "accepted" it because they gave up trying to fix it. It was unintentional. Always has been. Always will be.

I love when people who don't have a technical background push these exaggerated fictions. Light attacks are on a separate cooldown than abilities. That's it. This isn't some insurmountable debug task that ZOS can't puzzle out. It's a design choice. It would be trivial to put light attacks on the same 1s global cooldown as all the other abilities, which would remove light attack weaving. ZOS doesn't want to do that. Light attack weaving is intentional. End of story.

I think the only reason why they couldn't figure out 'how to get rid of it' is because they couldn't find a way to make combat flow effectively to the point that things were engaging and fun. People thinking that removing this would benefit the game just seem like they don't want to improve. A shame, really.

I doubt it has anything to do with that at all. LA / HA are a direct import of the Elder Scrolls series. Just in an MMO flavor. Its honestly probably developed for Single Player ES people to hop in and play a game similar to the game they played.

Not saying it hasn't become its own gameplay style, but I highly suspect it was made to make the game feel like a true elder scrolls game rather than another Classic MMO.

I think you misunderstand what I wrote. I didn't mention anything about an MMO environment, nor a TES environment. While it's pretty common in TES, other games like Morrowind didn't have quite the robust system many think it does given that you had to train to land your hits. While, yes, it's definitely got the more Skyrim edge, when taking all that out of context in any modern action RPG - when you take the ability to weave out of the equation, the game isn't as tactile, fun, or engaging. It's nothing to do with MMO or TES culture, but gaming combat and it's evolution away from turn based combat. So while yes, you're correct, my point still stands. Unless you know of an alternative they could put in that would A) have the same feel and B ) be fun and engaging without interrupting the flow of combat.

*Cyrodiil non-applicable because cooldowns.

pma_pacifier wrote: »

Can someone enlighten me?

Doing light attack followed by a skill (aka weaving?), followed by a light attack as a combo or sequence of attacks.. is called "animation canceling?" where this term implies a negative connotation or exploit that one is doing it too fast? or is exploiting?

Is this an exploit? Why are people saying it is? What is the actual expected outcome/fix?

Or are people just plain mixing up weaving/rotations for "animation canceling".. the ones that used to exist i.e. block canceling?

Animation cancelling is just any act of cancelling the animation of one action (as well as the action itself, though the action itself has typically already been performed, hence leaving the rest of the animation as the only thing being cancelled) with another action. Any time you cast a skill then immediately block, dodge or bash, you've cancelled the animation of the skill with the block/dodge/bash.

Weaving is one particular form of animation cancelling, where you light/heavy attack then immediately follow with a skill cast, in which case the animation of the light/heavy attack is cancelled by the skill cast. Light/heavy attacks and skills are on separate cooldowns, which allow you to weave light/heavy attacks inbetween skill casts, using the skill casts to cancel the animation of the light/heavy attacks, hence why it is called weaving.

Rotations are just a particular sequence of skill casts in which skill casts are ordered in a particular way to maximise the effectiveness of each skill in the sequence. They're very common in MMO's due to the ability-based nature of their combat systems, and have nothing to do with animation cancelling themselves, it just so happens that weaving is considered to be a "skill cast" (really just an action) within the rotation, and so rotations in ESO often incorporate animation cancelling via weaving.

Animation cancelling itself absolutely is intended, as it's not something that just naturally emerges as an unintended behaviour, the combat system had to be specifically designed to allow players to cancel actions. What wasn't intended, or rather anticipated, was the deliberate usage of animation cancelling to maximise effectiveness in combat.

Zenimax was surprised that players were able to learn exactly how actions work within the combat system, and figure out how to exploit that to maximise effectiveness in combat. They seemed to like the influence it gave skilled players, however, and so officially endorsed it as a feature, and even started balancing around it (see all the sets and skills that have effects that depend on constant usage of light/heavy attacks).

Because of this, it really can't be considered an exploit in the cheating way, since it is an officially endorsed feature that the game is being balanced around, and so anybody claiming that is wrong, and is not only disagreeing Zenimax's word, but Zenimax's actions in terms of balancing, too.

Please don't turn the thread into an animation cancelling debate. This is for an issue that arose with the Markarth release, and it's breaking down any ranged playstyle that involves light attacks, because it made it so you can't cast a skill until a LA has landed. Of course it impacts fast rotations more, but nevertheless it's a combat breaking bug that needs to be fixed as soon as possible. So please don't side-track the thread, and make it more difficult for devs to gain information.

Jaimeh wrote: »

Please don't turn the thread into an animation cancelling debate. This is for an issue that arose with the Markarth release, and it's breaking down any ranged playstyle that involves light attacks, because it made it so you can't cast a skill until a LA has landed. Of course it impacts fast rotations more, but nevertheless it's a combat breaking bug that needs to be fixed as soon as possible. So please don't side-track the thread, and make it more difficult for devs to gain information.

Thank you man. Have an Awesome for this

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Did the maintanence fix the light attack problem?

Not even close. Just finished DPSing vMGF and my heavy attacks didn't fire (or were invisible and impossible to confirm if firing) roughly half the time. Skills also didn't fire, or didn't show firing. Light attacks played the animation sometimes without showing the projectile. Was absolutely miserable.

As per usual; things were better and/or less buggy before their "fix" than after.

zos has been looking for a way to boot mag builds from the meta for a while, they finally found it lol. this bug doesnt really effect stam builds at all, just mag

Does it matter if it started as a bug when it was embraced and new mechanics and skillsets designed around it at a later date?

In any case. Even if you remove LA weaving from the game, my DPS is still going to be higher than 90% of players because I know how to use specific sets, enchant and trait them appropriately. My skill bars are optimized for doing damage. I use the appropriate food for my class and I keep potions up 100% of the time. I prebuff before fights. I don't allow dots to fall off. Even my CP is optimized for each specific raid. You'd have to make it so optimizing wasn't an option and all skills and sets provided the exact same damage for me to not be a stronger dps than 90% of players.

Removing LA weaving would not raise the skill floor, which is what I think those who advocate for its removal actually want. It would just make good players do less damage. How does that help weaker players get better?

BohnT2 wrote: »

Since the patch dropped you can no longer cancel light attacks, it's completely off and feels ridicouly broken.
Please fix this as fast as possible

I mean technically that is how it's suppose to work, and they said Animation Cancelling was never intended. That being said they have said they are aware of it and are fixing it.