What have you done to weaving?

Invisible22

I can see a 1-2 sec light attack delay whenever i cast degeneration.If i keep my rotation the same without casting degeneration at all it feels just a tiny bit clunkier...for me at least it only happens whenever i cast degen.

BohnT2

Just to clear up, weaving is still in the game but it feels horrible like playing with 800+ ping as you have to wait for the light attack to hit the target before your skill fires. This makes the game feel extremely clunky.

thorwyn

Ok I just made two full parses and yes, there is definitely something odd.
About 1 in 3 LA#s are not going off, but that's not all. Sometimes, it feels like the queue is completely jammed and I can not do another LA unless the skill animation is finished. The funny thing is, that the overall dps does not seem to be any worse than pre patch.

ecru

Weaving works the same but the animations are skipping frames and it looks terrible. If anyone regularly has a very high ping (like players from australia), the animations will skip around a bit, and it's kind of similar to that. It looks really bad but doesn't have any impact on gameplay itself.

I spent a good amount of time on PTS and didn't notice this issue so maybe they changed something? I don't see why this change has to apply to light attacks tbh, this should be reverted since animation cancelling makes it seem like your animations either aren't working, or you're lagging.

edit: seems it's more obvious with different abilities. force pulse is especially bad, as is ricochet skull.

Contaminate

It’s like the reverse Midas’ Touch, anything they “adjust” goes to hell

Hexys

I took a 3 month break, hoping that this patch would make me enjoy again with new theorycrafting. But once again it is worse then before with this weaving. So much hope for so many years while the game is just slowly downgrading... very sad.

Grandchamp1989

Combat is completely broken for DPS

Light attack weaving will bug you the f-up. he'll stand and twitch around and bug out.
Huge delay on attacks
Ele drain isn't applying AT ALL

Gilvoth

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

Have fun playing on your own

Pretty damn sure there have always been more posts and requests to "nerf" animation cancelling over the years, than there were to support it.

So... not really.

Pretty damn sure bad players want everything that kills them nerfed or removed so we shouldn’t be catering to these people.

Animation Canceling is a Bug, an exploit and if you rely an exploit to get kills then do you even have any actual skills?

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

well said
i agree with you and so do many of us

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

Have fun playing on your own

Pretty damn sure there have always been more posts and requests to "nerf" animation cancelling over the years, than there were to support it.

So... not really.

Pretty damn sure bad players want everything that kills them nerfed or removed so we shouldn’t be catering to these people.

Animation Canceling is a Bug, an exploit and if you rely an exploit to get kills then do you even have any actual skills?

very true, i might begin to enjoy the game now as the developers intended.

right now eso is game glitch dependent and it has destroyed the game for many of us.
if they are going to fix it like this then i and many others will be very happy and able to play and enjoy the game.

mustangmorgan31

Gilvoth wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

Have fun playing on your own

Pretty damn sure there have always been more posts and requests to "nerf" animation cancelling over the years, than there were to support it.

So... not really.

Pretty damn sure bad players want everything that kills them nerfed or removed so we shouldn’t be catering to these people.

Animation Canceling is a Bug, an exploit and if you rely an exploit to get kills then do you even have any actual skills?

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

well said
i agree with you and so do many of us

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

Have fun playing on your own

Pretty damn sure there have always been more posts and requests to "nerf" animation cancelling over the years, than there were to support it.

So... not really.

Pretty damn sure bad players want everything that kills them nerfed or removed so we shouldn’t be catering to these people.

Animation Canceling is a Bug, an exploit and if you rely an exploit to get kills then do you even have any actual skills?

very true, i might begin to enjoy the game now as the developers intended.

right now eso is game glitch dependent and it has destroyed the game for many of us.
if they are going to fix it like this then i and many others will be very happy and able to play and enjoy the game.

How does light attack weaving being removed help you enjoy the game? Either you weave or you don't. How does other players weaving affect you as a player? it doesn't.

Jaraal

All Light, Medium, and Heavy Attacks now have a 700ms cooldown unique to their weapon configuration (Dual Wield, One Hand and Shield, etc.) rather than varying amounts between 500ms and 1 second. Cast times of Heavy Attacks have been increased or decreased to ensure their total Cast Time + Cooldown remains the same at this time.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7004957/#Comment_7004957

tripp

people who weren't weaving in the first place are happy that weaving was removed
explain this logic
because to me it looks like bowing to the lowest common denominator - it does NOTHING for them, but makes the game nigh unplayable for us

virtus753

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

It doesn’t seem to be intended, per the patch notes. They endorsed animation cancelling years ago and even put it in a loading screen tooltip. This is much more likely to be a launch day bug than a surprise reversal of that policy.

They actually endorsed animation cancelling because they couldnt fix it. Not because it was designed that way from the start.

I fully understand that. It in no way changes the fact that they did later endorse it, and fully, based on their decision to incorporate it into the loading screen tooltip. They certainly do not seem to be suggesting a secret desire to get rid of it somehow.

If they were to reverse course on this, I doubt they would spring it on us day 1 of a new DLC. They have even stated explicitly that these changes were not meant to have an impact on weaving.

Altyrann

They've not removed weaving. It's specific skills, like Degeneration, that now add a delay that screws up rotation. This was noted two weeks ago on PTS and not even acknowledged.

zvavi

Weaving is not removed, if you are ignoring animation and sound, you get exactly the same cast, all it is now is forcing your light attack animation to play fully, so essentially your skills animation are moved forward, but they are done much earlier than what you see on screen.

So now you can't actually see the skills you are casting if you are weaving correctly.

Remember when they canceled bash/block animations so we can actually see the skills? Lmao.

Fennwitty

Jaraal wrote: »

All Light, Medium, and Heavy Attacks now have a 700ms cooldown unique to their weapon configuration (Dual Wield, One Hand and Shield, etc.) rather than varying amounts between 500ms and 1 second. Cast times of Heavy Attacks have been increased or decreased to ensure their total Cast Time + Cooldown remains the same at this time.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7004957/#Comment_7004957

Something like the attack animations are now forced to play for 700ms I guess? Probably not intentional in the long run.

potato_boo

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

Have fun playing on your own

Pretty damn sure there have always been more posts and requests to "nerf" animation cancelling over the years, than there were to support it.

So... not really.

Pretty damn sure bad players want everything that kills them nerfed or removed so we shouldn’t be catering to these people.

Animation Canceling is a Bug, an exploit and if you rely an exploit to get kills then do you even have any actual skills?

You can't seriously be saying game exploits don't require any skill...
Like, ever seen a speedrunner?

Besides that, the weaving is what makes the combat in ESO different from other generic mmos, really.
Whether it was originally intended or not, it's become a core gameplay mechanic.

zaria

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

It doesn’t seem to be intended, per the patch notes. They endorsed animation cancelling years ago and even put it in a loading screen tooltip. This is much more likely to be a launch day bug than a surprise reversal of that policy.

They actually endorsed animation cancelling because they couldnt fix it. Not because it was designed that way from the start.

It would be trivial to fix, just have LA share cool down with abilities.
You could still block, bash and dodge cancel even bar swap, you can also cancel abilities with cast time or channel.
I practiced block cancel sweep then cast BoL on my templar healer for crap moments.

However they have build so much around LA weave. including many sets. I have no issues with getting rid of LA weave if they buff skills to compensate.

Emma_Overload

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

It doesn’t seem to be intended, per the patch notes. They endorsed animation cancelling years ago and even put it in a loading screen tooltip. This is much more likely to be a launch day bug than a surprise reversal of that policy.

They actually endorsed animation cancelling because they couldnt fix it. Not because it was designed that way from the start.

That's not true. Are you saying the game just manifested itself without being designed? When ZOS said "animation cancelling wasn't intended", what they meant was they never intended that people would complain about it. This has been discussed a million times since the game launched.

danno8

JamieAubrey wrote: »

GOOD

Not good. Like others have said the light attacks still go through, you just don't see them since the animation for the previous skill takes precedence in what is displayed, even if it is the tail end of an animation.

What this means is that you are still going to get hit by stuff, but you are just not going to see it at all.

I was still able to hit my pre-patch DPS on the target dummy as long as I just went with my old rhythm and ignored what I was looking at.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey everyone, wanted to let you know this change is not intentional and it's being looked into. Thanks for the reports and information.

mustangmorgan31

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to let you know this change is not intentional and it's being looked into. Thanks for the reports and information.

Praise Tall Papa.

ZoM_Head

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to let you know this change is not intentional and it's being looked into. Thanks for the reports and information.

Please do, my character can stand still and do nothing, but suddenly cast numerous skills and weapon swap and start over.

Altyrann

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to let you know this change is not intentional and it's being looked into. Thanks for the reports and information.

Looks like any targeted skills with long animations are currently forcing the full animation to play before you can use the next skill if that helps. Degeneration is a really obvious one to check as it seems to have a very long animation.

colossalvoids

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to let you know this change is not intentional and it's being looked into. Thanks for the reports and information.

Praise the eight!

Joy_Division

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, wanted to let you know this change is not intentional and it's being looked into. Thanks for the reports and information.

Right now the people who hate animation canceling are willfully forgetting this post ever existed.

ElCapitanAmericano

I just did a parse and my DPS is exactly the same as it was yesterday. 88k on the trial dummy /w .92 light attacks per second. I'm not sure what folks are talking about. Light attack weaving is alive and well.

Altyrann

ElCapitanAmericano wrote: »

I just did a parse and my DPS is exactly the same as it was yesterday. 88k on the trial dummy /w .92 light attacks per second. I'm not sure what folks are talking about. Light attack weaving is alive and well.

It's only specific skills causing the issues so depending on your class and setup you may or may not see it. To see it in action really clearly, try Degeneration followed by something else with LA weaving.

idk

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nice! I might actually play the game now if this is intended.

Have fun playing on your own

Pretty damn sure there have always been more posts and requests to "nerf" animation cancelling over the years, than there were to support it.

So... not really.

Pretty damn sure bad players want everything that kills them nerfed or removed so we shouldn’t be catering to these people.

Animation Canceling is a Bug, an exploit and if you rely an exploit to get kills then do you even have any actual skills?

Considering Zos has stated it is an official and legitimate part of the game six years ago and Zos has taken steps to encourage and reward light attack weaving it is completely false and inaccurate to characterize light attack weaving as a bug.

Zos has even stated they understand that the light attack weaving is part of what separates ESO from other games like it.

AinSoph

People that can't do a basic tech are glad that it's gone or nerfed. I genuinely can't understand this logic.

Lylith

mustangmorgan31 wrote: »

Combat just seems clunky and awful. Skills aren't firing, super delayed. It wasn't like this when I tested on the PTS. Every patch they make combat more crap. I feel like I am in Cyro everywhere now.

^yeah, exactly^ clunky af and skills are rng based, 'keep hitting it and it MIGHT go off...'