J2JMC wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

@SipofMaim You came into the thread complaining about dolmen farmers and people not knowing about food buffs. You then mentioned you would not be doing any PUGS at the moment. Most people would assume that you currently have a dislike for PUGS. There would be no reason to stop doing them if you liked them. But you're right. You did not say you literally hated pugs. So I'll give you that I guess.

@daedalusAI Don't see how you could possibly miss the point lol. Group with other skilled players, like the ones I mentioned, and you don't have to worry about PUG issues.

@Raisin You have one sentence, specifically about trials, saying they can be rewarding while Pugged if they are completed. The rest of your comments were defending OP, and saying people don't listen despite how nice you are to them. Someone even refers to your self-described PUG experience as a horror story lmao. Given that, I'd say there isn't much in this thread that suggests you've had multiple positive PUG experiences. Feel free to quote something I may have misinterpreted!

@Jhalin Good thing I never said said you don't try to teach people in pug groups. I suggested grouping with other players so you wouldn't have to deal with PUGS.

I don't see why ya'll came into a thread complaining about PUGS, and then act surprised people think you don't like PUGS.

I'm just going to bold that part and clue you in on the answer: because you are being deliberately and ridiculously obtuse and you know it. You came in here mentioning a bunch of people with a purposefully baiting post where you completely misconstrued the truth and put strawman accusations into people's mouth in order to get them to defend themselves. You looked at people having a discussion about different experiences and real complex opinions that aren't 'wah wah pugs suck I hate the whole playerbsse or 'evetybofy is great I've never had a bad pug experience ever' and went 'I'm going to aggressively accuse these people of having an exaggerated, unrealistic opinion, then give them passive aggressive snark about being the archtype I've projected onto them, and see if I can get a rise.
Your strategy is to latch onto a single word, ignore any rational discussion, and hope the poor fella you chose gets stuck in an unwinnable loop of trying to defend themselves from far-fetched accusations, because it's the only way you feel you can win an argument. It's ridiculousl, and verybody who's been in an argument on the internet before knows this kind of ***.
In short, you're either a massive troll or a massive idiot. And I'm going to call you both and tell you to feck off. And in the event that none of this is intentional and you really aren't trying to be the *** you're being... Go on a journey to find yourself and become a better you or something.

But because I am a weak human being, here's me disputing your obvious BS:
I defended OP because people weren't being fair to OP. Complex, I know.
The fact that I do a lot of PUG content and love it exists in obvious context in the conversation I had on the topic -- remember before that I was talking about the behavior in this thread, not the PUG topic. Also I never said anything about not enjoying PUGs, which generally means that telling me 'you don't like PUGs' is a guess at best. Your definition of 'literally complained about PUGs' might be a bit off by being... Y'know literally just wrong.
I explained that my experience with people listening was different from the person who said it goes well for them almost all the time. Someone else shared my experience. I had a chat with people about it. Literally just... Talking about or different experiences. Don't know what point you're trying to make on that.
Someone else calling my PUG experiences a horror story literally says nothing about me, just about them. Again, no clue what you were even trying to express bringing that up.

And again, my condolences for whatever is wrong with you.

I made a tongue-in-cheek comment pointing out any issues people have with PUGS are easily solved by finding like minded players to group with.That was the only purpose of the first post tagging people. Had I known it would bother ya'll that much, I wouldn't have used the phrase "hate pugs". I don't know why that's the phrase you latched onto. Nobody was attempting to imply you hate the whole player base. Phrase could easily be replaced with "have these issues with pugs" and the point remains the same. I really wasn't expecting responses because I wasn't arguing. There is no argument to be had. A solution exists to OP's problem. This is not an issue to have "complex opinions" about. It's been rehashed in every game with a multiplayer component. This was a waste of a thread.

The second post tagging you I did expect a response. Albeit, this was a bit more than I anticipated. Hate to admit it, but I audibly laughed at "go on a journey to find yourself". Whole first paragraph is golden. Be honest, did you pretend to drop a mic when you clicked "post reply" ?

And to briefly address the rest. No one was being unfair to OP. He's whining about a non-issue. Your enjoyment of PUGS is not obvious when other people consider your experiences horror stories.

@Raisin

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I was doing my DLC vet pledge and asked the healer if they could do some synergies, for my lokkestiz, and the response was: "Dont tell me what to do". So i just left and took 80% of their group damage with me.

I probably would have vote kicked.That doesn't just effect you,but the whole group.

That could also have been phrased as "Could anybody add an extra synergy to their rotation? I'm wearing Lokkestiz, so that's an extra X% damage for the group for Y seconds if you can." Or whatever Lokke does, which you'd know since you have it slotted.

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

I like how nothing you posted was wrong yet somehow you are at fault.
I saw no complains about:
Fake tanks
Low dps
Bad healing setup
Nothing that shows elitism
which can be avoided by not pugging. But those are beyond the point.
The point is how people dont like being told "Oi... you are running in the wrong direction of the field, stupid".

For all the maturity that players of adult age are supposed to possess, their only reaction is to be offended.


For me ESO doesnt have any guild gameplay due to the small group instanced content and the huge amount of so called guildmembers, and that's why I rather pug than pretend to have a leader and contribute to a cause.
That is why pugging dailies and ez trials was a daily activity.
What I did differently was that I'd seek in the zone chat 3 more members that could show their achievements as a proof of ability and they get 6 keys with the same group.

Shievarei wrote: »

I wonder if the people who act smart and tell others to not use the Group Finder know that they are basically supporting OP's point.

Also don't get the argument about "if you're good you can carry the team". Vet DLC dungeons basically laugh at that.

I even once helped a pug go through vet Fang Lair for about 4 hours on the final boss just repeating "go behind the golden shield when ghosts spawn" only to have multiple people die each time.

Also tried helping someone with their rotation in a dungeon, telling them what abilities to slot and helping their rotation only to have them go back to hard casting crystal fragments.

It's difficult.

• Either to never PUG again and make your own group(s) for group content
• Or to simply never do any group content which you can't solo

Rungar wrote: »

the groupfinder is a core element of the game and the dungeons should be designed with this in mind. Notice that there is no groupfinder for trials.

daedalusAI wrote: »

It's just infuriating how bad/clueless the large majority of players are, and then they just refuse to listen to anything you're telling them:

• CP 320 DK with bow/DW, but his only AoE is spamming Noxious Breath
• Level 45 sorc whose sole goal in life is to spam Crystal Shards until the end of time, no matter what you're telling him
• CP 450 who thinks food is for the weak and runs around with 10k HP; but there seems to be a general aversion to using food in dungeons, or at all for that matter
• CP from 1 to 810 who just refuse to move out of big red telegraphed effects and die as a result, but then get irritated if you point them towards that fact

I'm far from a really good player, but some things like moving out of big red telegraphed effects, slotting at least 1 AoE and listening to feedback from players who just might know more than you are things I have to expect.

Philtho wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Not a joke: I've met CP 160+ toons where the player claims it's their first dungeon EVER.

Maybe they power levelled. Maybe they used XP boosts. Maybe they started during a double XP event. Maybe they levelled their alt doing daily writs. Whatever. Point is, something is going on and some people don't step foot in dungeons till way into their mid to late game.

Some of what you wrote though -- sounds like maybe while they were leveling they forgot to level their skill lines <.<

You may have been playing so long that maybe you lost sight of this, but ESO in it's current state: today - is probably one of the biggest, most awesome, solo RPG experiences you can get right now. I've been raving to everyone that might listen if they liked Oblivion or Skyrim, they will absolutely fall in love with ESO. They are all turned off by "It's an MMO why would i play that." "I dont have time for an MMO" "I dont like other people I'll wait till the next ES game instead" and I'm like you can spend 500+ hours and not even speak to a single person in ESO and play nothing but storyline content that is as good as anything in Oblivion and Skyrim, and if not BETTER and enjoy this. ESO has done something special for MMOs that no one else has yet, and that's offer a legit as-good-or-better single player experience in their game. I tell them over and over, think of it as Skyrim with thousands of people suddenly in your world running around. You can ignore them all you want and just do story after story.

I'm almost 50 and haven't even grouped with a single person yet and I absolutely love this game. It's all single player for me right now and the balance for PvE has been spot on. Much of it is easy, but the bosses and such are a challenge. It's the sweet spot for me. I don't want the dev team to touch anything at this point.