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The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
PC must be way more honorable than console @Joy_Division ... somebody on DC hopped on an AD character and put up the max number of camps so that AD couldn't put any up at keeps that were being attacked. EP did the same thing about an hour later. Used to happen pretty regularly, haven't noticed it recently until yesterday.
True story. A "hardcore faction loyalist" EP who plays on NA- PC once spent a night dropping 60 forward camps because he wanted to sabotage this other "hardcore faction loyalist" EP player who was emperor.
I know it's totally unbelievable that such die-hard faction loyalists would allow their own personal pettiness to mar the good of the faction because it's only bandwagon faction-hopper AP boosting exploiters that do such things, but it did in fact happen.Edited by Joy_Division on April 30, 2019 4:03PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.4 -
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Thanks for explaining the picture... if that doesn't obliterate the anti-faction lock argument, then those people clearly won't ever get it.somebody on DC hopped on an AD character and put up the max number of camps so that AD couldn't put any up at keeps that were being attacked. EP did the same thing about an hour later. Used to happen pretty regularly, haven't noticed it recently until yesterday.
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GloryClass Representativebulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Thanks for explaining the picture... if that doesn't obliterate the anti-faction lock argument, then those people clearly won't ever get it.somebody on DC hopped on an AD character and put up the max number of camps so that AD couldn't put any up at keeps that were being attacked. EP did the same thing about an hour later. Used to happen pretty regularly, haven't noticed it recently until yesterday.
Wouldn't it just point to the fact that there need to be better checks to prevent griefing, instead of just locking people into playing only X faction on Y campaign?
RIP to anyone who likes no CP and has characters on multiple factions a la One Tamriel.mDK will rise again.
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That's a good thought, but because there are so many ways in which this is a detriment, but only one single way in which it is a benefit, banning it outright is the better approach.Wouldn't it just point to the fact that there need to be better checks to prevent griefing, instead of just locking people into playing only X faction on Y campaign?
Sorry, no time to rest. That describes me perfectly, and I will be too busy playing to rest.RIP to anyone who likes no CP and has characters on multiple factions a la One Tamriel.
Edited by bulbousb16_ESO on April 30, 2019 7:21PMLethal zergling1 -
ks888✭✭✭✭Faction locks won't prevent me from repairing the Alessia bridge when EP spends waaaay too long destroying them while we lose Chal and Arrius is flagged. Jus saying.
I see alot of folks blaming faction hopping, when in reality campaign losses come down to just some crappy map decisions being made. All 3 sides are guilty of this.
This is coming from someone who doesn't care about the map too much, but 2 of my guild always ends up defending things no one else responds to. It is possible to play for the side you're on at the time. If EP is gating AD or DC, I don't need to be on my EP toon - I need to be on my other toons to try to help make sure everyone has the opportunity to play the game. If your enemy can't get out of their bases, you're not making AP people.DC NA - Norri - Khole RIP - [Mostly Outnumbered]** I have too many toons **RIP every alt I deleted - where am I? what year is it?8 -
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No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.4 -
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No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.3 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.5 -
bulbousb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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They CAN, but they DON'T. This is the problem: when your reds play for red, and your blues play for red, and your yellows play for red. This is why faction lock needs to exist. Some people are ruining it for the rest of you.LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them)
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No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
You’re still fighting for the alliance that you’re currently playing regardless of the wordplay you’re trying to use. If I help dethrone someone while on dc that’s me helping dc. Playing for yourself is when you don’t play any objective at all and choose action over anything.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
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✭✭✭✭✭[CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Spot on, AND just because you don't cheat when you faction hop doesn't mean cheating is not possible..
Both sides of this debate are right, and wrong. It's not black and white as you say - hence ZOS nailing it by giving choice.Xbox One | EU | EP
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No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Spot on, AND just because you don't cheat when you faction hop doesn't mean cheating is not possible..
Both sides of this debate are right, and wrong. It's not black and white as you say - hence ZOS nailing it by giving choice.
Honestly though the cheating is few and far between in my experiences on both ps4 and pc after having played the game for 5 years. For instance I dunked a scroll like 5 months ago, a faction loyal guild still hasn’t forgot.
I would say people remember the occurrence and won’t let it go for longer. No matter what. Sad part is the camp had 3 days left and said faction was behind 20k points or so rendering the scroll useless as they were mathematically not going to overcome the deficit.0 -
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Poster-boy for faction lock.Haashhtaag wrote: »For instance I dunked a scroll like 5 months ago, a faction loyal guild still hasn’t forgot.
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Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
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I main the said faction so not really. I’m just proof that faction locks don’t matter.bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Poster-boy for faction lock.Haashhtaag wrote: »For instance I dunked a scroll like 5 months ago, a faction loyal guild still hasn’t forgot.
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✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »[CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Spot on, AND just because you don't cheat when you faction hop doesn't mean cheating is not possible..
Both sides of this debate are right, and wrong. It's not black and white as you say - hence ZOS nailing it by giving choice.
Honestly though the cheating is few and far between in my experiences on both ps4 and pc after having played the game for 5 years. For instance I dunked a scroll like 5 months ago, a faction loyal guild still hasn’t forgot.
I would say people remember the occurrence and won’t let it go for longer. No matter what. Sad part is the camp had 3 days left and said faction was behind 20k points or so rendering the scroll useless as they were mathematically not going to overcome the deficit.
almost every day multiple times a day is few and far between? Good, good. Now we know that daily cheating is rare cheating. Good to know.Cleared Trials:
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✭Haashhtaag wrote: »[CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Spot on, AND just because you don't cheat when you faction hop doesn't mean cheating is not possible..
Both sides of this debate are right, and wrong. It's not black and white as you say - hence ZOS nailing it by giving choice.
Honestly though the cheating is few and far between in my experiences on both ps4 and pc after having played the game for 5 years. For instance I dunked a scroll like 5 months ago, a faction loyal guild still hasn’t forgot.
I would say people remember the occurrence and won’t let it go for longer. No matter what. Sad part is the camp had 3 days left and said faction was behind 20k points or so rendering the scroll useless as they were mathematically not going to overcome the deficit.
almost every day multiple times a day is few and far between? Good, good. Now we know that daily cheating is rare cheating. Good to know.
It’s not as rampant as your hyperbole makes it appear. So please just stop.1 -
Augustus67✭✭✭Maybe instead of faction lock,make it so you can only ever be Emperor once,per account ,regardless of faction.0
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✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
You’re still fighting for the alliance that you’re currently playing regardless of the wordplay you’re trying to use. If I help dethrone someone while on dc that’s me helping dc. Playing for yourself is when you don’t play any objective at all and choose action over anything.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Like I said, most of the faction lockers aren't mentally agile enough to understand this.bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
They CAN, but they DON'T. This is the problem: when your reds play for red, and your blues play for red, and your yellows play for red. This is why faction lock needs to exist. Some people are ruining it for the rest of you.LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them)
You know mate, I do have some sympathy for your position, I really do. I hate it when people start trolling whichever faction I'm playing for. I HATE it, and I honestly think it's a disgrace, but all faction locks will do is shut folk like me off from playing with friends from different factions. It won't stop trolls. Trolls get their payment from trolling. They're not caring about AP. They'll swap just to *** people around. They're a thirteen year old sitting in front of screen giggling because they've jerked people around. How much AP do you think it cost Trollio McTroll in the above pics with all the forward camps?
With locks, you'll win nothing and lose people who are just happy to get some playtime with pals in. And if folk are REALLY dedicated, they'll simply move to a "non-main" toon (or even better a second account, which are cheap as chips) and sabotage the acts of siege/counter-siege as much as they can (and there's a number of creative and uncounterable ways to do so). Get a 4-5 man group who'll do this and you can really create major issues.
And don't say Shor. Outside primetime on Xbox it's zero bars. Not an option unless all of a sudden we're endorsing PvDoor.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭[CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Spot on, AND just because you don't cheat when you faction hop doesn't mean cheating is not possible..
Both sides of this debate are right, and wrong. It's not black and white as you say - hence ZOS nailing it by giving choice.
But they don’t. There is no 2nd noCP campaign without lock.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭✭✭✭[CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.
LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).
Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.
No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.
Everything isn’t so black and white. People can have multiple reasons to play for other factions. Just because they don’t coincide with your faction loyalist mindset doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Spot on, AND just because you don't cheat when you faction hop doesn't mean cheating is not possible..
Both sides of this debate are right, and wrong. It's not black and white as you say - hence ZOS nailing it by giving choice.
But they don’t. There is no 2nd noCP campaign without lock.
Outside of primetime on Xbox there's for all intents and purpo9ses NO PvP any more except for Vivec.0 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭Augustus67 wrote: »Maybe instead of faction lock,make it so you can only ever be Emperor once,per account ,regardless of faction.
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✭Anyone catch that Tottenham/Ajax game? I was thinking that game could have been a lot more competitive and interesting if maybe Moura, Heung-min and kane could have played for Ajax once the score was tied up. Football just doesn't really feel competitive without team switching. I suppose ZoS will figure it out again soon enough.“Whatever.”
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✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Anyone catch that Tottenham/Ajax game? I was thinking that game could have been a lot more competitive and interesting if maybe Moura, Heung-min and kane could have played for Ajax once the score was tied up. Football just doesn't really feel competitive without team switching. I suppose ZoS will figure it out again soon enough.
Yeah definitely. I also can't believe the Ajax bench didn't run onto the field and faction stack the field to win by having more numbers than Tottenham. Oh wait that's not how it works. What will it take for you people to learn the best faction doesn't win, the highest pop one does? Hence, alliance war doesn't matter.0 -
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Winning and losing campaigns isn't where the value lies. The map and campaign score merely provide goals and context.LeifErickson wrote: »Yeah definitely. I also can't believe the Ajax bench didn't run onto the field and faction stack the field to win by having more numbers than Tottenham. Oh wait that's not how it works. What will it take for you people to learn the best faction doesn't win, the highest pop one does? Hence, alliance war doesn't matter.
Winning never matters on public servers in any game. Winning never really matters in pick up basketball or street hockey. But it's fun to act as if it does and try your hardest to help your team anyway.2 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭I couldn't have worded it better myself.
Let's all take a moment to remember faction lock has existed in ESO before, and it was taken down after the playerbase protested. Must we really do that again?
My organized PvP guild consists of EP, DC and AD mains. If faction lock gets to live, this might be the end of the guild, or any fun playing with it, since we will have to play on dead campaigns.
Then perhaps people shouldent have missused the freedom they got, you guys did and now we get faction locks...5 -
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✭LeifErickson wrote: »AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Anyone catch that Tottenham/Ajax game? I was thinking that game could have been a lot more competitive and interesting if maybe Moura, Heung-min and kane could have played for Ajax once the score was tied up. Football just doesn't really feel competitive without team switching. I suppose ZoS will figure it out again soon enough.
Yeah definitely. I also can't believe the Ajax bench didn't run onto the field and faction stack the field to win by having more numbers than Tottenham. Oh wait that's not how it works. What will it take for you people to learn the best faction doesn't win, the highest pop one does? Hence, alliance war doesn't matter.
You ever watch Seinfeld? In the best comedy, lessons are never learned. Now if only I could close my wallet.“Whatever.”
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Ahtu✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Anyone catch that Tottenham/Ajax game? I was thinking that game could have been a lot more competitive and interesting if maybe Moura, Heung-min and kane could have played for Ajax once the score was tied up. Football just doesn't really feel competitive without team switching. I suppose ZoS will figure it out again soon enough.
Yeah definitely. I also can't believe the Ajax bench didn't run onto the field and faction stack the field to win by having more numbers than Tottenham. Oh wait that's not how it works. What will it take for you people to learn the best faction doesn't win, the highest pop one does? Hence, alliance war doesn't matter.
The highest population faction wins but without faction lock what does that mean? Currently, many players gravitate towards the faction with the most guilds on at the time, or the most points for the current score evaluation. Faction locks will prevent players from bandwaggoning to the current winning side and they will be forced to stand their grounds win or lose, as it should have been from the beginning.Edited by Ahtu on May 10, 2019 4:31PM4 -
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✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Anyone catch that Tottenham/Ajax game? I was thinking that game could have been a lot more competitive and interesting if maybe Moura, Heung-min and kane could have played for Ajax once the score was tied up. Football just doesn't really feel competitive without team switching. I suppose ZoS will figure it out again soon enough.
Did anyone catch the moment when they realised ESO was just a game played for social enjoyment and not a multi billion dollar industry affecting their livelihoods? Just me?Edited by Elong on May 10, 2019 1:49AM9 -
ks888✭✭✭✭Except folks don't seem to understand you can play for the side you're on at the time. I literally got rage whispers about "spying" for defending a DC scroll with my friends while we were on DC that day. WUT?
Yes I have an EP toon I play alot, I have AD toons too. If I was on my DC dropping useless FC's or something or communicating with friends on the opposing side THAT would be spying or griefing. I'm on DC right now, I defend DC scroll because the pvdoor zerg is gating a 2 bar pop faction because that's "winning".
There are legitimately some people out there who don't even understand what "spying" even entails. C'mon... really... these are the people who have been asking for faction lock. RIP pvp
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