The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

Glory

Throwback to March 2016 when ESO had a larger PvP population, and ZOS decided that faction locking was a bad idea:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2753849#Comment_2753849

josh.lackey_ESO

Ahtu wrote: »

On the flip side, AD had a horde last night which stole our scroll with DC's help. Where was our relief? Nobody came to help us and we were out there on our own because everyone was on AD.

Switching to the winning team is much more common among the playerbase than switching to the losing side.

If the factions are all poplocked, then the populations are equal. What evidence do you have that "everyone was on AD"? Just because it it feels that way to you subjectively doesn't mean that's what's really happening. You win some you lose some. It's a 3 faction war. It will always be the two teams "teaming up" against the third. That's by design.

Grimlok_S

I don't understand why so many people refuse to read the line below the 30 day campaign locks.

7 day campaign remains unlocked. If you are not a faction RPvWaller or someone who cares for campaign score you will continue to enjoy tri-faction play on the 7 day. Play the 7 day.

Haashhtaag

Grimlok_S wrote: »

I don't understand why so many people refuse to read the line below the 30 day campaign locks.

7 day campaign remains unlocked. If you are not a faction RPvWaller or someone who cares for campaign score you will continue to enjoy tri-faction play on the 7 day. Play the 7 day.

Lmao yeah sure....

ZarkingFrued

I'm not mad at it. I assume they have numbers behind their decision and see how many flock to the winning alliance

ellahellabella

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I'm not mad at it. I assume they have numbers behind their decision and see how many flock to the winning alliance

Hee hee. You're funny! Gave an awesome for the lol

Miswar

There is nothing wrong about it... +90% of pvp guild members are looking forward to it.

To be honest only people crying, whining etc etc are the ap glory hunters that swap alliances more than their socks, ap boosters and zonechat trolls... once their brains start to function they notice they still have a campaign where they can continue exact those things they might shut up.

...than again these people know that most pvp players wohn't be there since people do like the factioned lock idea thus their ego takes a hit etc etc.

To summarize.. best change for pvp and longtime overdue....gg for Zos to this 1.

Haashhtaag

Miswar wrote: »

There is nothing wrong about it... +90% of pvp guild members are looking forward to it.

To be honest only people crying, whining etc etc are the ap glory hunters that swap alliances more than their socks, ap boosters and zonechat trolls... once their brains start to function they notice they still have a campaign where they can continue exact those things they might shut up.

...than again these people know that most pvp players wohn't be there since people do like the factioned lock idea thus their ego takes a hit etc etc.

To summarize.. best change for pvp and longtime overdue....gg for Zos to this 1.

Did you know faction locks existed before and it didn’t stop a single thing you listed above?

Ahtu

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

CatchMeTrolling

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

It’s always been zerging, in fact there was bigger zergs before.

Haashhtaag

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

It’s always been zerging, in fact there was bigger zergs before.

He probably didn’t play when each faction had a guild of the same number of people they run with currently or more zerging. Probably didn’t play when there was higher population caps and the queues were 200-300 people. But that kind of population doesn’t exist anymore so we will just have emptiness

frozywozy

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

I think you missed the nerf to earthgore.

Ahtu

Out with the old, in with the new.

Glory

Ahtu wrote: »

ADAPT OR DIE.

Ahtu wrote: »

Out with the old, in with the new.

You're killing the slogan game.

CatchMeTrolling

Haashhtaag wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

It’s always been zerging, in fact there was bigger zergs before.

He probably didn’t play when each faction had a guild of the same number of people they run with currently or more zerging. Probably didn’t play when there was higher population caps and the queues were 200-300 people. But that kind of population doesn’t exist anymore so we will just have emptiness

Remember farming ap in azuras star before no cp and there was literally 100-200 ad behind our gate. Faction lock will just be annoying because everyone plays in the 30 day by default.

Miswar

Yes, I did know they existed and it was an mistake to remove them.

Just watched a player get in leaderboard on all alliances in one of these new campaign. How did that happen?

Friends AP boosting the same way.. seems he got an emp very quickly through this and incentive seems to be Tel Var farming in IC... and yes most likely selling eso gold for real money through this.

As we can see just another small example what it does mean to have non-locked campaigns.

Ahtu

Reminds me of when a certain AD leader got fed AP by his AD friends on EP so that he would be crowned Emperor instead of me last campaign. This is why we can't have nice things because people will gain the system to try and mess with someone who is playing the game normally for fun for to satisfy their own insecurities and egos. Direct your frustrations toward them not ZOS who is actually doing something about the issue so that players like me can enjoy the game in peace without exploiters trying to screw with us.

CatchMeTrolling

You’d still be able to boost ap off of friends???

Ahtu

Right, but you wouldn't be able to switch back to the other faction and would be stuck playing that campaign so there's less incentive. Right now there's no consequences for doing something like that which is so petty. Just gives you some insight into the minds of these AD leaders.

I would never follow someone who would do that to someone.

Elong

Ahtu wrote: »

Right, but you wouldn't be able to switch back to the other faction and would be stuck playing that campaign so there's less incentive. Right now there's no consequences for doing something like that which is so petty. Just gives you some insight into the minds of these AD leaders.

I would never follow someone who would do that.

You would earn more ap and be comfortably in first place if you didn't share it with 80 other players.

Ixtyr

Ahtu wrote: »

Reminds me of when a certain AD leader got fed AP by his AD friends on EP so that he would be crowned Emperor instead of me last campaign. This is why we can't have nice things because people will gain the system to try and mess with someone who is playing the game normally for fun for to satisfy their own insecurities and egos. Direct your frustrations toward them not ZOS who is actually doing something about the issue so that players like me can enjoy the game in peace without exploiters trying to screw with us.

Lol, Crown literally just played in a small group and flipped resources in-between player encounters. The fact you're accusing him of "exploiting" just tells me you don't understand how basic AP gains work. AP from kills is divided amongst all players participating in that kill. When you have 50+ people, you're only going to get at most 100-200 AP for a kill, Crown and his wife duoing will get 1,500-2,500 per kill, and the defensive and offensive ticks will give them significantly more credit per player as well.

If you want to get to #1 on the Leaderboard, you're not going to get it by stacking inside of 50 other people. You'll get it by playing a ridiculous number of hours, and farming kills and resources solo or in a small group. That's mechanically how the system has worked for years now, that's why Afro was able to hold Emp for EP for seemingly every Vivec cycle for the past year - dude just plays a ton, mostly in solo or small group settings, and when he did play in a larger group, it was one that ran 16 people - not 60. Again, more AP per hour.

If anything, the fact that you couldn't catch him, despite him not dedicating 100% of his time to EP, when you were, just shows that you were being remarkably inefficient with your time.

Stacking inside 50 people is the tactic you settle on when you want to physically flip the map to actually crown the Emperor - anyone who's gotten Emp in a tight race for first over the years will tell you that actually jumping in to try to flip those keeps results in a massive decline in AP gain, giving an opportunity to the guy in #2 to catch up. It's happened to me, it's happened to hundreds of players. Now it's happened to you, although you were never really close.

Stop trying to excuse your own failures by blindly accusing others of "exploiting". Try harder next time, and be smart about it, and if you're good, you'll have no issue.

Ahtu

It was explained to me that he was fed AP. I could be wrong and honestly I'm not bothered by it as I crowned him Emperor myself with the help of my group. I just find it a little strange that he did that when I was pushing Emperor since he doesn't play EP but it could just be coincidence.

I respect Crown very much and I'm not blaming him as he can do whatever he wants with his time, just as I do. Also, I don't want to farm resources all day in a small group either because that sounds like the most boring thing I can think of and I would much rather lead as many players as possible. I can imagine you all having a good laugh at my expense when this happened though.

Don't worry I will try again after faction locks are in place.

Crown

@Ahtu My EP Templar was the last toon that I had never emped before, so took the opportunity knowing that faction locks were coming. What Ixtyr said is about right. You make a LOT more AP constantly moving in a small group than in a large one. There are also a few tricks to applying debuffs to opponents or buffs to allies in order to get more of the total AP from kills, but you still have to be there to get them. You're right that flipping resources is boring, but it's good AP in the middle of killing things. You also have to know when to leave and ignore the map.. after killing people they're not worth AP for 5 mins, so if you go off a good bomb/wipe, go fight other things and come back later. If you stay in the same place, you're not making points.

Crown

@Ahtu also https://darkelves.com/making-ap/

Look at the linked spreadsheet.

Ahtu

Thanks Crown I have looked at your website before. Congrats on Emping and no hard feelings.

Crown

Ahtu wrote: »

Thanks Crown I have looked at your website before. Congrats on Emping and no hard feelings.

@Ahtu I appreciated your helping to emp me - though that was somewhat self serving as it was the quickest way to make me go away ;-)

Ahtu

I hoped you would stay a while longer so I could learn your secrets.

Crown

Ahtu wrote: »

I hoped you would stay a while longer so I could learn your secrets.

@Ahtu My wife has a toon on EP that hasn't been emp, and we were thinking about doing that next reset. None of it is secret - it's just really mind numbing (14 hours last time of constant moving and running to the next fight/location). If we do try for it, you're welcome to join us (and leech ) either after she gets a few hundred k AP ahead, or right away if you commit to letting her emp before you..

MipMip

Glory wrote: »

It's a midday weekend, Vivec is 3-Lock-3 on PC NA, every other campaign is 0 across the board.

EP has the majority of the map. I have been playing on EP with a group of friends, and because the factions are so unbalanced currently we are moving to fight on DC.

With faction locks, we'd be forced to

• Help push other factions to the gates, eliminating all PvP without much challenge.
• Play on a dead campaign.
• Log off or do something else.

How does this align with people's claims of spreading factions, etc.?

Well said.

Faction locks, if they go live, will make ESO PvP much less attractive.

pcar944

on one hand, on the other hand, 1 Tamriel should have never happened and we wouldn't be here today

so just plan your characters, who and where you main, its easy

one thing for sure, its going to be a lot easier for certain people to stack #"s and make sure they have presence 100% of a time on certain campaigns, so I fear this is going to get a lot worse as far as the map goes, people will just stack on top of other guilds to make sure they win

all this crying about "fairness" etc and all you have to do is watch what happens on the map when 1 alliance is getting dogged by the other 2 at the same time (and no, not for dethrone)