Sylvermynx wrote: »Really though.... editing stuff from the beginning of the thread really doesn't - make much sense. People click a thread title, realize there are many more posts, and click to the end. So I bet not many are going to read the "censored" stuff in full.
Still, just a crap move ZOS. How about you just admit you blew it, restore the original Bosmer stealth passive, and we all move on?
Remember - I'm not invested in the Bosmer stealth passive. But it's apparent to me that there are many who are....
You really don't want to trash your remaining player base. BAD BAD idea.
Sylvermynx wrote: »Really though.... editing stuff from the beginning of the thread really doesn't - make much sense. People click a thread title, realize there are many more posts, and click to the end. So I bet not many are going to read the "censored" stuff in full.
Still, just a crap move ZOS. How about you just admit you blew it, restore the original Bosmer stealth passive, and we all move on?
Remember - I'm not invested in the Bosmer stealth passive. But it's apparent to me that there are many who are....
You really don't want to trash your remaining player base. BAD BAD idea.
The only problem I can see with restoring the Bosmer stealth is that all the other races shafted with weird lore-breaking traits are going to want theirs fixed as well.
Argonians will want poison resistance back (so that their quests aren't lying to them)
Altmer will want Spell Recharge to recharge their spells, not their lungs.
Khajiit will want crit chance back instead of crit damage/healing
And so on.
Honestly, I don't see much of an issue argonians and bosmer trading poison and disease so they both still only have one instead of both (and it makes more sense than the current backwards traits).
Altmer is a little harder since they don't want to give Altmer magicka recovery since they're a max magicka race. I'm sure there's a better solution than a paltry amount of stamina that is both not enough to use and more than they usually need. Maybe they could get something like "You trade X stamina for X/3 magicka if you try to cast without enough magicka. This can only proc every 10 seconds".
I don't really know the complaints about the other races other than the fact that people who aren't meta-chasers tend to fall into one of three categories
1: Unhappy with the changes, quite possibly for lore reasons
2: Casual player who didn't really notice
3: Don't care
Sure some people like them, but that's either because they are now stronger and don't care about lore, or they can now play some weird build that wasn't viable before that only 6 other people on the server play (dodge-roll)
Wow Arena? You're the first person I've seen say that. I feel like an old timer because I started with Morrowind. I ain't got nothing on you!
starkerealm wrote: »Well, I finally used one of my race change tokens. Changed by Bosmer into a Nord. So far, actually liking it. I've spent enough time sneaking around on non-Bosmer stealth builds to be used to the normal detect radius, and as a bonus, she's now cute [snip], instead of looking like spray-painted jerky, so that's a perk too. At least until she becomes a vampire again.
"The Wood Elf known as Finedrin has been found guilty of the following crimes: Stealing rotten tomatoes and other refuse from stablemaster Semiral's midden-heap, Dumping said refuse on the head of the Altmer commander, Faruin during his visit to the clanmother, And finally, knocking over the cart of Atrius the merchant while attempting to avoid capture. For all of these crimes, this one sentences him to the stocks until such time as he shows proper repentance!"
Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »Just wait... this is the second racial passive redo... if we are patient, in 2-3 years there will be another and maybe we will get our stealth back!
Seraphayel wrote: »Get used to your new Bosmer, they were changed in a game that's under constant development and where change is inevitable, good and bad.
A_Silverius wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Get used to your new Bosmer, they were changed in a game that's under constant development and where change is inevitable, good and bad.
I'll do you one better: Get used to our constant feedback.
[/quote]Seraphayel wrote: »
Did it ever come to your mind that there are even Bosmer players that like the U21 changes and won't go back to U20 racials? What's with those players?
Our suggestion: Reduces your detection radius in stealth by 3 meters. Increases your movement speed by 10% and your Physical and Spell Penetration by 1500 for 6 seconds after you use Roll Dodge.
Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »Just wait... this is the second racial passive redo... if we are patient, in 2-3 years there will be another and maybe we will get our stealth back!
That does nothing for the people (in this thread alone, not counting the ones elsewhere) who have unsubbed, uninstalled, and/or asked their platform provider for a refund. Or the ones who will do so tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, etc. ZOS has chosen to throw away who knows how much revenue, because somebody decided lore wasn't important. But by golly, they're going to stick to their guns and figure out some way to stuff that baby down the drain with the bath water!
They are banking on time healing all wounds, players moving on, this thread eventually dropping off the page, and so forth. Well, sorry, but every time I log in to the game I see my Bosmer main, who used to be my best thief and who will never cash in his free plastic surgery ticket to become someone he's not. He was The Hero of Kvatch, The Gray Fox, The Dragonborn, The Listener, The Savior of Nirn, and The Hero of Tamriel. Why would he become someone else? He is Bosmer at heart, and I will not betray my Queen by trying to become some false hero for personal gain.
Ok just got this patch on console and my nightblade wood elf who has every single passive for stealth and wearing nme and nt and I am failing heist now, is this new detect passive a reverse passive that allows for NPCs to detect me first getting detected from a metres away
I was hoping it wouldn’t be that bad knowing I have all the passives that make you invisible and the gear but this
Truthsnark wrote: »Sorry all you console players, we triedThe voices of the Bosmer will be heard! We want our stealth back! We are tiny, morally ambiguous in our eating habits, and STUBBORN.
I support simply swapping the stealth detection back to stealth radius reduction and leaving everything else as is. Even though privately I think putting an offensive bonus on a defensive skill is completely wackadoodle.
Cundu_Ertur wrote: »"We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the forums, we shall fight in the zone chats and discords, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in reddit, we shall defend our stealth passive, whatever the cost may be. "
-Winston Churchill.
(with some help)
Aela_Dragonrider wrote: »I could go on but in summary, Bosmer Stealth may not be dead but it is harder and a little less fun. Overland stuff didn't change much but thieving has. I haven't even tried Heists or Sacraments and frankly have little urge to do so. Its not enough to make me quit or even swear of ESO+, but it is frustrating and i can totally understand why some people are doing just that.