So I had a depressing trial run last night.
(Background first: Our guild (and its sister guild) are primarily trading guilds that do social activities on the side. We also have housing contests, wb nights, trivia, and we have several trial groups.
One of the trial groups is a more experienced group. We do hard modes (CR+3 norm, etc) and vet trials.
We took a week off because of the weapon swapping issue and last night was our first time we all met up since the patch.)
Well my Bosmer became a big topic of conversation last night mostly because, well, she is still a Bosmer.
I had to sit through, well;
“Aren’t they a PvP race now?”
“Well I changed my Bosmer to...”
“Are bosmers BiS for anything PvE related?”
And “I am surprised you did not switch, want me to link you some sites so you can see what options you have?”
And then the conversation turned to stealth because we are a trading guild and a lot of people get their income via stealing.
So then the conversation became;
“I made my thief a kahjit.”
And how apparently there is now no other choice.
It was a long night.
Luckily we are not a hard core group and we managed to do some progress last night, but there was a lot of Bosmer talk in the down times. I don’t think they are going to require me to switch or anything. But I wonder how long I am going to have to sit through stuff like that.
Our next meet up is tomorrow, but luckily I have captain marvel tickets so I don’t have to sit through that again so soon. Hopefully by this Saturday the “novelty” of having a Bosmer will have gone away.
Regarding the bolded portion; I thought these racial changes were supposed to be balanced?
Sarcasm aside, if the bolded portion becomes a trend, then ZOS really failed the Bosmers and really did corner them to PvP content only. Hopefully that's not the case, so that those who do continue playing Bosmers can enjoy the content they want.
Ironically, I left WoW a couple months ago because of the similar thing Blizzard did to DPS druids. Got turned down for Mythics a lot, because I wasnt BiS DPS or even a CiS (Competitor in Slot--I just made that up). So, I came back to ZoS and was telling friends how nice it was to come back to ESO and my character was still the same after all these years (albeit a few tweaks and minor changes along the way).
To be fair I don't think the dps for Bosmers are that bad, just not remarkable, but I have yet to see a parse where they are either not last or close to last for PvE.
Here is an example;https://youtu.be/Fy1OYOiOd98
(Results come about 17 min in.) Wood elves came in last out of the 6 stam races tested.
For what we (our guilds) do, it's fine. But I doubt you will see any bosmers in the cutting edge guilds. I think the issue is that the better dps parsing races have all three racials working for them, but bosmers (And Altmers) are really running on two out of three.
I am not saying hunters eye should be a dps boost, but it should be something useful that is in support of the other two.
So along with better stealth, maybe instead of the armor pen, it could be a cost reduction for the roll. This way bosmers can do it and still have the stamina for dps. (Just an off the top of my head suggestion.)
Then again this cost reduction would not help single target dps parses like the one shown in the video, so who knows.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »So I had a depressing trial run last night.
(Background first: Our guild (and its sister guild) are primarily trading guilds that do social activities on the side. We also have housing contests, wb nights, trivia, and we have several trial groups.
One of the trial groups is a more experienced group. We do hard modes (CR+3 norm, etc) and vet trials.
We took a week off because of the weapon swapping issue and last night was our first time we all met up since the patch.)
Well my Bosmer became a big topic of conversation last night mostly because, well, she is still a Bosmer.
I had to sit through, well;
“Aren’t they a PvP race now?”
“Well I changed my Bosmer to...”
“Are bosmers BiS for anything PvE related?”
And “I am surprised you did not switch, want me to link you some sites so you can see what options you have?”
And then the conversation turned to stealth because we are a trading guild and a lot of people get their income via stealing.
So then the conversation became;
“I made my thief a kahjit.”
And how apparently there is now no other choice.
It was a long night.
Luckily we are not a hard core group and we managed to do some progress last night, but there was a lot of Bosmer talk in the down times. I don’t think they are going to require me to switch or anything. But I wonder how long I am going to have to sit through stuff like that.
Our next meet up is tomorrow, but luckily I have captain marvel tickets so I don’t have to sit through that again so soon. Hopefully by this Saturday the “novelty” of having a Bosmer will have gone away.
Regarding the bolded portion; I thought these racial changes were supposed to be balanced?
Sarcasm aside, if the bolded portion becomes a trend, then ZOS really failed the Bosmers and really did corner them to PvP content only. Hopefully that's not the case, so that those who do continue playing Bosmers can enjoy the content they want.
Ironically, I left WoW a couple months ago because of the similar thing Blizzard did to DPS druids. Got turned down for Mythics a lot, because I wasnt BiS DPS or even a CiS (Competitor in Slot--I just made that up). So, I came back to ZoS and was telling friends how nice it was to come back to ESO and my character was still the same after all these years (albeit a few tweaks and minor changes along the way).
To be fair I don't think the dps for Bosmers are that bad, just not remarkable, but I have yet to see a parse where they are either not last or close to last for PvE.
Here is an example;https://youtu.be/Fy1OYOiOd98
(Results come about 17 min in.) Wood elves came in last out of the 6 stam races tested.
For what we (our guilds) do, it's fine. But I doubt you will see any bosmers in the cutting edge guilds. I think the issue is that the better dps parsing races have all three racials working for them, but bosmers (And Altmers) are really running on two out of three.
I am not saying hunters eye should be a dps boost, but it should be something useful that is in support of the other two.
So along with better stealth, maybe instead of the armor pen, it could be a cost reduction for the roll. This way bosmers can do it and still have the stamina for dps. (Just an off the top of my head suggestion.)
Then again this cost reduction would not help single target dps parses like the one shown in the video, so who knows.
So six 35k dps parses in BiS gear somehow prove... nothing? And Imperial on first place while orc on last...
If we will name things honestly, bosmer received quite good buff as stamina dps in comparison to murkmire. Why? Because redguard was relatively nerfed (2000 stam << 9%) and bosmer relatively buffed (258 recovery >> then 21% until your recovery reaches 2.5-3k) and if not for orc 4.3.2 buff all stamina races would be in near ideal balance (from PVE dps view)
MartiniDaniels wrote: »So I had a depressing trial run last night.
(Background first: Our guild (and its sister guild) are primarily trading guilds that do social activities on the side. We also have housing contests, wb nights, trivia, and we have several trial groups.
One of the trial groups is a more experienced group. We do hard modes (CR+3 norm, etc) and vet trials.
We took a week off because of the weapon swapping issue and last night was our first time we all met up since the patch.)
Well my Bosmer became a big topic of conversation last night mostly because, well, she is still a Bosmer.
I had to sit through, well;
“Aren’t they a PvP race now?”
“Well I changed my Bosmer to...”
“Are bosmers BiS for anything PvE related?”
And “I am surprised you did not switch, want me to link you some sites so you can see what options you have?”
And then the conversation turned to stealth because we are a trading guild and a lot of people get their income via stealing.
So then the conversation became;
“I made my thief a kahjit.”
And how apparently there is now no other choice.
It was a long night.
Luckily we are not a hard core group and we managed to do some progress last night, but there was a lot of Bosmer talk in the down times. I don’t think they are going to require me to switch or anything. But I wonder how long I am going to have to sit through stuff like that.
Our next meet up is tomorrow, but luckily I have captain marvel tickets so I don’t have to sit through that again so soon. Hopefully by this Saturday the “novelty” of having a Bosmer will have gone away.
Regarding the bolded portion; I thought these racial changes were supposed to be balanced?
Sarcasm aside, if the bolded portion becomes a trend, then ZOS really failed the Bosmers and really did corner them to PvP content only. Hopefully that's not the case, so that those who do continue playing Bosmers can enjoy the content they want.
Ironically, I left WoW a couple months ago because of the similar thing Blizzard did to DPS druids. Got turned down for Mythics a lot, because I wasnt BiS DPS or even a CiS (Competitor in Slot--I just made that up). So, I came back to ZoS and was telling friends how nice it was to come back to ESO and my character was still the same after all these years (albeit a few tweaks and minor changes along the way).
To be fair I don't think the dps for Bosmers are that bad, just not remarkable, but I have yet to see a parse where they are either not last or close to last for PvE.
Here is an example;https://youtu.be/Fy1OYOiOd98
(Results come about 17 min in.) Wood elves came in last out of the 6 stam races tested.
For what we (our guilds) do, it's fine. But I doubt you will see any bosmers in the cutting edge guilds. I think the issue is that the better dps parsing races have all three racials working for them, but bosmers (And Altmers) are really running on two out of three.
I am not saying hunters eye should be a dps boost, but it should be something useful that is in support of the other two.
So along with better stealth, maybe instead of the armor pen, it could be a cost reduction for the roll. This way bosmers can do it and still have the stamina for dps. (Just an off the top of my head suggestion.)
Then again this cost reduction would not help single target dps parses like the one shown in the video, so who knows.
So six 35k dps parses in BiS gear somehow prove... nothing? And Imperial on first place while orc on last...
If we will name things honestly, bosmer received quite good buff as stamina dps in comparison to murkmire. Why? Because redguard was relatively nerfed (2000 stam << 9%) and bosmer relatively buffed (258 recovery >> then 21% until your recovery reaches 2.5-3k) and if not for orc 4.3.2 buff all stamina races would be in near ideal balance (from PVE dps view)
I am not 100% following what you are saying. You seem to be objecting to something I said and I am not sure why.
I think you saw the average dps parse (where bosmers came in 5th) and stopped, if you keep going you can see their full conclusion.
Basically the video claims the best stam dps races are orc and dark elf. But they also went on to say unless you are in a cutting edge guild, choose what you want.
Which is what I was trying to say.
I am not saying that bosmers did not get a dps boost, they did. And I am not saying that their dps is awful, it is not.
I feel Bosmer dps is just ok. It still trails, but it’s fine.
I am just relating a story about what happened during a trial group.
(Also before we get off track this is a thread about stealth. )
What I am trying to say is that there is nothing “WOW!” about bosmers. Before any failings could be offset with the fact that at least bosmers had great stealth. Now that is gone and without stealth the race feels flat,
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »So I had a depressing trial run last night.
(Background first: Our guild (and its sister guild) are primarily trading guilds that do social activities on the side. We also have housing contests, wb nights, trivia, and we have several trial groups.
One of the trial groups is a more experienced group. We do hard modes (CR+3 norm, etc) and vet trials.
We took a week off because of the weapon swapping issue and last night was our first time we all met up since the patch.)
Well my Bosmer became a big topic of conversation last night mostly because, well, she is still a Bosmer.
I had to sit through, well;
“Aren’t they a PvP race now?”
“Well I changed my Bosmer to...”
“Are bosmers BiS for anything PvE related?”
And “I am surprised you did not switch, want me to link you some sites so you can see what options you have?”
And then the conversation turned to stealth because we are a trading guild and a lot of people get their income via stealing.
So then the conversation became;
“I made my thief a kahjit.”
And how apparently there is now no other choice.
It was a long night.
Luckily we are not a hard core group and we managed to do some progress last night, but there was a lot of Bosmer talk in the down times. I don’t think they are going to require me to switch or anything. But I wonder how long I am going to have to sit through stuff like that.
Our next meet up is tomorrow, but luckily I have captain marvel tickets so I don’t have to sit through that again so soon. Hopefully by this Saturday the “novelty” of having a Bosmer will have gone away.
Regarding the bolded portion; I thought these racial changes were supposed to be balanced?
Sarcasm aside, if the bolded portion becomes a trend, then ZOS really failed the Bosmers and really did corner them to PvP content only. Hopefully that's not the case, so that those who do continue playing Bosmers can enjoy the content they want.
Ironically, I left WoW a couple months ago because of the similar thing Blizzard did to DPS druids. Got turned down for Mythics a lot, because I wasnt BiS DPS or even a CiS (Competitor in Slot--I just made that up). So, I came back to ZoS and was telling friends how nice it was to come back to ESO and my character was still the same after all these years (albeit a few tweaks and minor changes along the way).
To be fair I don't think the dps for Bosmers are that bad, just not remarkable, but I have yet to see a parse where they are either not last or close to last for PvE.
Here is an example;https://youtu.be/Fy1OYOiOd98
(Results come about 17 min in.) Wood elves came in last out of the 6 stam races tested.
For what we (our guilds) do, it's fine. But I doubt you will see any bosmers in the cutting edge guilds. I think the issue is that the better dps parsing races have all three racials working for them, but bosmers (And Altmers) are really running on two out of three.
I am not saying hunters eye should be a dps boost, but it should be something useful that is in support of the other two.
So along with better stealth, maybe instead of the armor pen, it could be a cost reduction for the roll. This way bosmers can do it and still have the stamina for dps. (Just an off the top of my head suggestion.)
Then again this cost reduction would not help single target dps parses like the one shown in the video, so who knows.
So six 35k dps parses in BiS gear somehow prove... nothing? And Imperial on first place while orc on last...
If we will name things honestly, bosmer received quite good buff as stamina dps in comparison to murkmire. Why? Because redguard was relatively nerfed (2000 stam << 9%) and bosmer relatively buffed (258 recovery >> then 21% until your recovery reaches 2.5-3k) and if not for orc 4.3.2 buff all stamina races would be in near ideal balance (from PVE dps view)
I am not 100% following what you are saying. You seem to be objecting to something I said and I am not sure why.
I think you saw the average dps parse (where bosmers came in 5th) and stopped, if you keep going you can see their full conclusion.
Basically the video claims the best stam dps races are orc and dark elf. But they also went on to say unless you are in a cutting edge guild, choose what you want.
Which is what I was trying to say.
I am not saying that bosmers did not get a dps boost, they did. And I am not saying that their dps is awful, it is not.
I feel Bosmer dps is just ok. It still trails, but it’s fine.
I am just relating a story about what happened during a trial group.
(Also before we get off track this is a thread about stealth. )
What I am trying to say is that there is nothing “WOW!” about bosmers. Before any failings could be offset with the fact that at least bosmers had great stealth. Now that is gone and without stealth the race feels flat,
I just mean that video is not representative because it has low number of parses and dps in this parses is mediocre for BiS gear used. Bosmers are ok as stamdps now, while in Murkmire they were much weaker then redguards and khajiits.
Did bosmer lost racial identity with lack of stealth? Yes.
Bosmer healers and tanks received nothing? Yes.
Was PVP bosmer or PVE stamdps bosmer nerfed or is stagnating in wrathstone? No, they were buffed if they were not gank-snipers.
Cundu_Ertur wrote: »In my not-all-all-humble opinion it should be a completely new passive: Stealthy F'n Archer: 1/2/3m hiding bonus, +32/64/128 damage with bows, 2/3/4% reduced cost for bow abilities.
That's half the redguard bonus (which is for all weapons) and half the Orc/Dunmer weapon bonus (for all weapons), but only for bows. Right now Bosmer don't have ANY ability that the lore says they should have. Bosmer are supposed to be the best archers, and that's not the case -- Orcs, Dunmer, and even Redguards are better. Bosmer are supposed to be stealthy and that's not the case. Honestly, this game no longer has any Bosmer in it at all.
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A link that was sent to me in discord was for Alcast.
https://alcasthq.com/eso-race-guide-elder-scrolls-online/
Here is what their recommendations are;
”Stamina Damage Dealer
Best choice: Orc, Redguard, Dark Elf, Kahjiit
As a stamina damage dealer Orcs have the best stats, followed up by races like Redguards, Dark Elves and Khajiits. All are viable choices, so you can pick whichever race you like the most.”
Notice that bosmers are not even mentioned as a recommendation. But if you go to the Bosmer section it does not have anything bad to say about them.
Which again is what my feelings are about them. They are fine, and that is the best I can say about them.
Alcast is the page that was most referenced to that night. And is where most of us get our info from. I also think it’s through sites like this that there is a trickle down of perception of what is best.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »So I had a depressing trial run last night.
(Background first: Our guild (and its sister guild) are primarily trading guilds that do social activities on the side. We also have housing contests, wb nights, trivia, and we have several trial groups.
One of the trial groups is a more experienced group. We do hard modes (CR+3 norm, etc) and vet trials.
We took a week off because of the weapon swapping issue and last night was our first time we all met up since the patch.)
Well my Bosmer became a big topic of conversation last night mostly because, well, she is still a Bosmer.
I had to sit through, well;
“Aren’t they a PvP race now?”
“Well I changed my Bosmer to...”
“Are bosmers BiS for anything PvE related?”
And “I am surprised you did not switch, want me to link you some sites so you can see what options you have?”
And then the conversation turned to stealth because we are a trading guild and a lot of people get their income via stealing.
So then the conversation became;
“I made my thief a kahjit.”
And how apparently there is now no other choice.
It was a long night.
Luckily we are not a hard core group and we managed to do some progress last night, but there was a lot of Bosmer talk in the down times. I don’t think they are going to require me to switch or anything. But I wonder how long I am going to have to sit through stuff like that.
Our next meet up is tomorrow, but luckily I have captain marvel tickets so I don’t have to sit through that again so soon. Hopefully by this Saturday the “novelty” of having a Bosmer will have gone away.
Regarding the bolded portion; I thought these racial changes were supposed to be balanced?
Sarcasm aside, if the bolded portion becomes a trend, then ZOS really failed the Bosmers and really did corner them to PvP content only. Hopefully that's not the case, so that those who do continue playing Bosmers can enjoy the content they want.
Ironically, I left WoW a couple months ago because of the similar thing Blizzard did to DPS druids. Got turned down for Mythics a lot, because I wasnt BiS DPS or even a CiS (Competitor in Slot--I just made that up). So, I came back to ZoS and was telling friends how nice it was to come back to ESO and my character was still the same after all these years (albeit a few tweaks and minor changes along the way).
To be fair I don't think the dps for Bosmers are that bad, just not remarkable, but I have yet to see a parse where they are either not last or close to last for PvE.
Here is an example;https://youtu.be/Fy1OYOiOd98
(Results come about 17 min in.) Wood elves came in last out of the 6 stam races tested.
For what we (our guilds) do, it's fine. But I doubt you will see any bosmers in the cutting edge guilds. I think the issue is that the better dps parsing races have all three racials working for them, but bosmers (And Altmers) are really running on two out of three.
I am not saying hunters eye should be a dps boost, but it should be something useful that is in support of the other two.
So along with better stealth, maybe instead of the armor pen, it could be a cost reduction for the roll. This way bosmers can do it and still have the stamina for dps. (Just an off the top of my head suggestion.)
Then again this cost reduction would not help single target dps parses like the one shown in the video, so who knows.
So six 35k dps parses in BiS gear somehow prove... nothing? And Imperial on first place while orc on last...
If we will name things honestly, bosmer received quite good buff as stamina dps in comparison to murkmire. Why? Because redguard was relatively nerfed (2000 stam << 9%) and bosmer relatively buffed (258 recovery >> then 21% until your recovery reaches 2.5-3k) and if not for orc 4.3.2 buff all stamina races would be in near ideal balance (from PVE dps view)
I am not 100% following what you are saying. You seem to be objecting to something I said and I am not sure why.
I think you saw the average dps parse (where bosmers came in 5th) and stopped, if you keep going you can see their full conclusion.
Basically the video claims the best stam dps races are orc and dark elf. But they also went on to say unless you are in a cutting edge guild, choose what you want.
Which is what I was trying to say.
I am not saying that bosmers did not get a dps boost, they did. And I am not saying that their dps is awful, it is not.
I feel Bosmer dps is just ok. It still trails, but it’s fine.
I am just relating a story about what happened during a trial group.
(Also before we get off track this is a thread about stealth. )
What I am trying to say is that there is nothing “WOW!” about bosmers. Before any failings could be offset with the fact that at least bosmers had great stealth. Now that is gone and without stealth the race feels flat,
I just mean that video is not representative because it has low number of parses and dps in this parses is mediocre for BiS gear used. Bosmers are ok as stamdps now, while in Murkmire they were much weaker then redguards and khajiits.
Did bosmer lost racial identity with lack of stealth? Yes.
Bosmer healers and tanks received nothing? Yes.
Was PVP bosmer or PVE stamdps bosmer nerfed or is stagnating in wrathstone? No, they were buffed if they were not gank-snipers.
Again I was not very clear, and I apologize. There is nothing incorrect about what you are saying. I just gave one example, the video, when I should have given multiple examples. But again I did not want this to stray too much into dps when this was a forum thread about stealth.
I think (again) I have also mischaracterized our group. We are traders first, I would character us as a middle ground between a casual (normal) trial group and a hard core vet trial group.
And I think I wanted to characterize what the perception is of bosmers and not the actual numbers right now. And to be honest the sample size (our trial group) is small. But this was the prevailing thought in the group, that I was making it harder on myself for playing a Bosmer.
A link that was sent to me in discord was for Alcast.
https://alcasthq.com/eso-race-guide-elder-scrolls-online/
Here is what their recommendations are;
”Stamina Damage Dealer
Best choice: Orc, Redguard, Dark Elf, Kahjiit
As a stamina damage dealer Orcs have the best stats, followed up by races like Redguards, Dark Elves and Khajiits. All are viable choices, so you can pick whichever race you like the most.”
Notice that bosmers are not even mentioned as a recommendation. But if you go to the Bosmer section it does not have anything bad to say about them.
Which again is what my feelings are about them. They are fine, and that is the best I can say about them.
Alcast is the page that was most referenced to that night. And is where most of us get our info from. I also think it’s through sites like this that there is a trickle down of perception of what is best.
Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »I totally play less already thanks to them ruining bosmers...... I most like will be gone once TES VI drops if stealth never comes back to the RACE, not just "easier access for everyone".
Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »I totally play less already thanks to them ruining bosmers...... I most like will be gone once TES VI drops if stealth never comes back to the RACE, not just "easier access for everyone".
It won't. TESVI is not made by the same company.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Yeah I don't know of anyone who did stealth based gameplay who relied ONLY on the racial trait, almost everyone ran with at least one additional stealth set bonus. So it's pretty insulting when people try to suggest using the stealth set bonuses that we were already using. I know these people don't MEAN to be insulting but that's how it comes across. Like if an escalator stops working someone leans over and says "you know you can still walk up them like stairs!" Yeah gee thanks buddy I never would have figured that out without your expert advice.
Makes you want to slap the taste out of someone's mouth.
lol Insulting? Slap somebody? Put the Bosmer down and walk away slowly...
Its not only a suggestion, its the reality now until further notice so "gettin' yer dander up" over it is kinda silly.
EDIT: Although I like your analogy, if I see somebody sit down halfway up a stuck escalator, pouting or fretting that they won't reach the top...I'll let them know they can walk up the rest of the way. Maybe their principle is that since its now IMPOSSIBLE to make it to the top, management should come carry them.
You seem to have an interesting quirk that gives you selective reading so that you can claim that most of us here are behaving like spoiled brats throwing a fit.
Why do you (now - previously you're nitpicking on other details that you, unintentionally or not, misinterpreted) claim we are refusing to adapt? Or is it that the only way you think anyone playing a stealthy wood elf can adapt is to race change to Khajiit?
I have a NB Khajiit that was created a few months ago so that I could experience another way of being a thief. My wood elf had extra stealth, my Khajiit has extra sticky fingers. I was looking forward learning a different play style with the NB. (Ironically, my Khajiit, created before any announcement from ZOS, looks a lot like the one Khajiit in the trailer)
I do not want another Khajiit. I want the diversity we had before the patch. And again, because apparently this is hard to understand, I have no problem whatsoever with any other of the racial skills for wood elves. My (and all the others) complaint is about taking stealth away from wood elves.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »So as for now all we can do is continue to run 'Bosmer cornerclub' in this thread and maybe ZOS will see it when there will be 200 pages or similar
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@Jaraal
I think they may have made the khajiits more attractive to other non stealth players by increasing other stats though so that if they want to play it with a khajiit they have more options.
You say that, but I see more complaints about their changes than I do saying it made the race more fun.
Overall I see a lot more complaints about the racial changes when it comes to play styles than I do people saying it helped. The min/maxers are all happy because they mostly don't care and will switch to whatever's best.
But it seems that people who choose their race for other reasons tend to be unhappy or at least lukewarm.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@Jaraal
I think they may have made the khajiits more attractive to other non stealth players by increasing other stats though so that if they want to play it with a khajiit they have more options.
You say that, but I see more complaints about their changes than I do saying it made the race more fun.
Overall I see a lot more complaints about the racial changes when it comes to play styles than I do people saying it helped. The min/maxers are all happy because they mostly don't care and will switch to whatever's best.
But it seems that people who choose their race for other reasons tend to be unhappy or at least lukewarm.
Now I am willing to let the stealthiness originate in a form of a skill tree OUTSIDE of their racials, but that's where I am drawing the line.
I'd honestly draw the line even sooner. No Bosmer stealth racials? No money for ZO$ from me. But I'm probably easier to please when it comes to what kind of stealth buff to give them.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@Jaraal
How does it mean that? Did argonians only play Murkmire, did dunmer and argonians only play morrowind, etc?
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@Jaraal
How does it mean that? Did argonians only play Murkmire, did dunmer and argonians only play morrowind, etc?
Well, you certainly like to argue a lot. But that's good, keep bumping the thread!
(Oh, and Murkmire was free. They had no financial motivation to change established lore to sell the DLC.)
Now I am willing to let the stealthiness originate in a form of a skill tree OUTSIDE of their racials, but that's where I am drawing the line.
I'd honestly draw the line even sooner. No Bosmer stealth racials? No money for ZO$ from me. But I'm probably easier to please when it comes to what kind of stealth buff to give them.
How would you feel if the fall bonus was taken away and replaced with stealth radius reduction instead?
I'd honestly draw the line even sooner. No Bosmer stealth racials? No money for ZO$ from me. But I'm probably easier to please when it comes to what kind of stealth buff to give them.
I'd be fine with that. The fall bonus is a nice quality of life thing, but until ESO I didn't even realize it would be a racial power. And if I did, I would have assumed it would be a Khajiit (cat) thing.
Then again, I also would have assumed a bonus to dodge-rolling (acrobatics) would also be a Khajiit thing since that was always their top skill until it no longer existed.
Same with better stealth detection since Khajiit always had bonuses to vision (Night Eye).
Acrobatics make sence but NOT the stealth detection. It's just ridiculous to make Bosmer a sentinel. youtu.be/cd4POiGGP3cI'd be fine with that. The fall bonus is a nice quality of life thing, but until ESO I didn't even realize it would be a racial power. And if I did, I would have assumed it would be a Khajiit (cat) thing.
Then again, I also would have assumed a bonus to dodge-rolling (acrobatics) would also be a Khajiit thing since that was always their top skill until it no longer existed.
Same with better stealth detection since Khajiit always had bonuses to vision (Night Eye).