My guess at this point is, they hear our feedback and intend to do something. It will likely be something we're not tossing around. My guess is an extension of legerdemian that would give us the same stealth we had before back, only everyone else can get it too. But that still means that bosmer are equal to most other races as far as their stealth goes...BUT if they let us trait into stealth via new traits enough, we'll be more than good enough at it without the need for a racial and they can keep the "invis peeking" racial we've been given to "keep them lore-friendly".
Would it be ideal? It depends on what kind of traits they toss in, if any. We could end up sneakier than before, along with everyone else, which I think would be great. We have 2 DLCs revolving around sneaking and right now we only have 1 race that can do it super well. They could fix this with Elswyr.
Pickpocketing all 3 items at once, better stealth, faster in stealth, things like that would make the sneakthief gameplay a lot more fun and accessible for those of us that are willing to dump about 15 more skill points into it.
Or they can leave stealth as-is and and only the flavor-of-the-month race (khajit) would be happy, which would not be so good.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@BlueRaven
A better analogy would be...
"I've got a flesh wound, guess I'll go ahead and cut my legs off, that'll show 'em"
or
"My leg is bleeding badly, but I won't put on that tourniquet!
No sorry, that's a terrible analogy and it is missing the point entirely. I'm not saying his was better, but it came definitely closer.
The analogy I was going for was if an outside force negatively impacts you (crashes into your car) you expect them to come up with a better solution then "fix it yourself" in the cheapest way possible.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »The analogy I was going for was if an outside force negatively impacts you (crashes into your car) you expect them to come up with a better solution then "fix it yourself" in the cheapest way possible.
I can understand that, but its ZoS car that you're driving. They made a change to their car that you don't like. At least there are options to adjust things back closer to what you like.
I don't see ZOS as one who's going to pony up a solution because they don't see it as a problem rather a step in their planned direction.
I am leasing a sports car from ZoS and I come down one day to find they swapped out my sportscar for a SUV? Are we really going to spend all this time on this analogy?
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
No sorry, that's a terrible analogy and it is missing the point entirely. I'm not saying his was better, but it came definitely closer.
You've put forth a very well thought out and organized objection.
The problem with rejecting help like armor sets because its not what an individual may prefer, even in the short term undermines all your work.
Its important to have integrity and appear rational, even if the changes drive you crazy.
1. People have claimed that the stealth bonus is very important to them and what they do in PvE.
2. Some people claim this is why they rolled a Bosmer. Once again very important aspect of the game to them.
3. The change doesn't help them at all as the stealth bonus is what really helped them.
4. The change has been made, for now at least, maybe forever.
THE Question: Wouldn't it be a good thing to encourage the use of "band-aids" to help people handicapped by this change, either until its changed again or at least to continue to enjoy that part of the game?
One answer is rational and the other is not.
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Also this point.... Sorry, but the only reason we are playing this game is because the Elder Scrolls is a franchise that used to be known for putting heart into their games. Businesses nowadays make tons of course changes based on emotional appeal and depending on what company we are talking about, people either flock to them or run away and boycott. Look at CD Project Red for example. They had the guts to tell their investors (more or less) just that. They don't aim to milk their audience, they don't want to grab a quick cash. The key to success is an excellent product. And while we all know that ZO$ won't follow their footsteps we at least think/thought we can/could expect them to respect the franchise and its fans enough to not mess with them too much.[Quoted post has been reomved
MartiniDaniels wrote: »That new passive is U-S-E-L-E-S-S. I put points in it first just to see how it will play out against snares and didn't notice any difference other then very slightly increased speed when you are not snared. Two days ago i visit Father of Mysteries to reset skill points and re-spec from S&B/DW to S&B/2H and didn't put points in hunter's eye. Absolutely nothing had changed. Yeah probably if you roll-dodge with bow in senche's bite it gives some effect. But if you run standard sets and don't use bow that passive is *** trash.
I refuse to carry around a low powered set of gear just so I can do the things I was accustomed to a week ago. My character is a bosmer, I chose the race because of stealth. If this was D&D she would be a heroic rogue type character, an archer that can move through the shadows. And now she is as stealthy as any other race which is stupid.
I'd rather racials simply be scrapped so we could play whatever race we want how we want. Like in the single player games.
But if they're going to have racials, taking the stealth bonus away from Bosmer makes ZO liars.
They claim that one of the key goals for these changes is to give players more options when selecting a race. Supposedly they don't want every player who enjoys a particular play style to feel obliged to pick one race whose passives maximise that.
By taking the stealth bonus away from Bosmer and leaving it with Khajiit they're definitely going backwards.
Maybe the solution is to also take it away from Khajiit.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »THE Question: Wouldn't it be a good thing to encourage the use of "band-aids" to help people handicapped by this change, either until its changed again or at least to continue to enjoy that part of the game?
Girl_Number8 wrote: »This is tough. I really like the new woodelf racials, as I have made several builds for different classes in PvP using the bosmer and it really is working out. I feel for the PvE players and there have been a lot of changes and some more coming. Though with the dragons coming and if the game goes full skyrim, a lot of people will be happy and a lot will leave. For PvP I really do like the new bosmer but then again I mainly PvP and min max my characters for the harder content in PvE, so I change to what I need with no attachment.
Girl_Number8 wrote: »This is tough. I really like the new woodelf racials, as I have made several builds for different classes in PvP using the bosmer and it really is working out. I feel for the PvE players and there have been a lot of changes and some more coming. Though with the dragons coming and if the game goes full skyrim, a lot of people will be happy and a lot will leave. For PvP I really do like the new bosmer but then again I mainly PvP and min max my characters for the harder content in PvE, so I change to what I need with no attachment.
New bosmer is really strong in PvP , awesome for me.
Girl_Number8 wrote: »This is tough. I really like the new woodelf racials, as I have made several builds for different classes in PvP using the bosmer and it really is working out. I feel for the PvE players and there have been a lot of changes and some more coming. Though with the dragons coming and if the game goes full skyrim, a lot of people will be happy and a lot will leave. For PvP I really do like the new bosmer but then again I mainly PvP and min max my characters for the harder content in PvE, so I change to what I need with no attachment.
Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Event tickets are tied to Heists this week. Looks like I need to brew up a bunch of invisibility + magicka buff pots (for NB cloak spamming).